the nature of slavery after the civil war

when you say the word "slavery" to most people the first thing that pops into their head is slavery in the 1850s-1860s the last 15 years of slavery in the America, however that last 15 years was maybe the worst time to be a slave (not that it was ever fun) more whippings, slave collars, slave hunters and so on, in the early days of American slavery (1660s-1680s) slaves were treated much like Indentured servants, they were often give their own land to work, or free time to work for others for money, many were able to buy their freedom and some land to make a go of it, as slave populations grew slavery become more and more repressive and such niceties went away to the point in the 1850s almost no slave could buy their way out of slavery, so my question is in your view how would the nature and institution of slavery change/evolve in the CSA if they had won the civil war?
 

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Probably stay as it was for some decades, then bow down due to foreign pressure and officially abolish slavery, while in reality just exchange it to peonage and debt slavery.
 
Probably stay as it was for some decades, then bow down due to foreign pressure and officially abolish slavery, while in reality just exchange it to peonage and debt slavery.
Around 1900 or so, maybe 1920. In fact I wouldn't rule out it continuing to this day. One African country didn't outlaw it until around 1980 or so.
 
The great plantations were doomed as far as an institution. They were doomed the instant that Indian cotton became a viable source in Britain. However I do not see the CSA ever abolishing the institution, nor would it up and commit genocide. My guess is that the CS government will appeal to wartime precedent and use its own version of the Necessary and Proper clause to start renting out the now-unnecessary slaves to build and maintain infrastructure, and this deepens class tensions among Confederate whites. The CS government would try appeal to fear of slave revolt and race war to justify that, though how much of an impression this would make on excluded Southern whites in the back country is an open question.

No matter what the CS government does, however, the great plantations are doomed, with the Boll Weevil adding injury to injury.
 
The great plantations were doomed as far as an institution. They were doomed the instant that Indian cotton became a viable source in Britain. However I do not see the CSA ever abolishing the institution, nor would it up and commit genocide. My guess is that the CS government will appeal to wartime precedent and use its own version of the Necessary and Proper clause to start renting out the now-unnecessary slaves to build and maintain infrastructure, and this deepens class tensions among Confederate whites. The CS government would try appeal to fear of slave revolt and race war to justify that, though how much of an impression this would make on excluded Southern whites in the back country is an open question.

No matter what the CS government does, however, the great plantations are doomed, with the Boll Weevil adding injury to injury.


Quite possibly as it will take decades for the South to regain the ground lost in the slave institutions during the Civil War.
 
I say it wasn't the worse time to be a slave. It was horrible, but surely the days when African slaves could still be imported and were therefore usually worked to death faster then they could breed were the worst times?
 
I say it wasn't the worse time to be a slave. It was horrible, but surely the days when African slaves could still be imported and were therefore usually worked to death faster then they could breed were the worst times?

that generally happened in the sugar mills of the Caribbean, I don't think there was ever working to death going on in the borders of the US, Caribbean slavery was always WAY WAY worse than anything going on on the main-land.
 
when you say the word "slavery" to most people the first thing that pops into their head is slavery in the 1850s-1860s the last 15 years of slavery in the America, however that last 15 years was maybe the worst time to be a slave (not that it was ever fun) more whippings, slave collars, slave hunters and so on, in the early days of American slavery (1660s-1680s) slaves were treated much like Indentured servants, they were often give their own land to work, or free time to work for others for money, many were able to buy their freedom and some land to make a go of it, as slave populations grew slavery become more and more repressive and such niceties went away to the point in the 1850s almost no slave could buy their way out of slavery, so my question is in your view how would the nature and institution of slavery change/evolve in the CSA if they had won the civil war?

See also the discussion of the post-war Confederate economy here:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=196634
where post-war slavery is thoroughly (perhaps too thoroughly) discussed as well.
 
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