The Myth of The Twentieth Century

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by X_X, Dec 14, 2017.

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  1. Bookmark1995 Bookmark95 Reborn!

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    Is that really possible in this day and age? 70 million people dying?

    One of the reasons why epidemics were so deadly was not just the lack of medicine, but the lack of hygiene, nutrition, or basic sanitation that almost everybody faced pre-19th century.

    I don't believe SARS could feasibly wipe out so many people in this day and age.
     
  2. Rambam23 Peacenik

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    I agree, SARS was not virulent enough to overcome the robust public health systems in place. Maybe if China were way worse off in this timeline
     
  3. The Southeast Well-Known Member

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    I have to agree with this. 70,000 would be a more plausible number.

    Unless the entire world's sanitary conditions and healthcare systems are like OTL Sub-Saharan Africa.
     
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  4. Frank Hart When Your Hometown Doesn't Feel Like Home

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    Even in that case, 70 million is still too high a number, both in plausibility and imagination. More like 7 million if this all went to shit.

    Note that OTL, only 39 million people died of AIDS over the years since its discovery. 70 million in the span of... a year or two? Unimaginable.
     
  5. pjmidd Well-Known Member

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    Given the speed that people travel today an airborne pandemic ( with secondary animal carriers ) with a reasonable incubation time could infect most of the major cities of the world before its seen as more than a seasonal flu. If enough people are infected to overwhelm medical facilities then the effect becomes exponentially worse.
    Something as deadly as Spanish Flu ( which turned the immune system on itself so affecting the most healthy worse ) coupled with the knock on effects of a global economy crashing as long distance travel is stopped could easily hit 70 million dead ( including secondaries such as lack of medical care/aid for other conditions )
     
  6. X_X Well-Known Member

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    Willing to recon numbers. Any suggestions for a realistic worst case scenario? Particartully if the Indian Subcontient is the worst affected region?
     
  7. lukedalton Well-Known Member

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    No, numbers are ok...if they include not only the one killed directely by the disease (probably around 10 to 30%) but also the one dead due to the collapse of the health system and food distribution (the rest)
     
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  8. Frank Hart When Your Hometown Doesn't Feel Like Home

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    Now if the Indian Subcontinent is worst hit, instead of Southern China as OTL, I'd say no more than 20 million directly, and another 40 to 60 million indirectly (Bangladesh is seriously fucked here due to its population density, as would India due to open defecation).
     
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  10. Threadmarks: 1958 New York Gubernatorial Election

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    Another wikibox. Who says Nelson gets to have all the fun?


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  11. Threadmarks: The Weird Fall of the Kennedys

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    “One might think it rather cocky for organized crime to go after political targets, even decades after Al Capone’s criminal empire became responsible for the death of Senator Charles S. Deneen. Perhaps arrogance was just in the DNA of the New England mafia however. Former Massachusetts Attorney General Francis E. Kelly was running for the governorship on a good old fashion Bostonian tough-on-crime platform. Patriarch of the Patriarca crime family, Raymond L. S. Patriarca, had his tentacles deep in Boston and Providence’s underground, and Kelly was an incorruptible figure who had to go disappear. Long before primary season officially began, he went missing though not for very long. Once the body was found, it took shockingly little time for Patriarca to be connected.

    “Here’s where the story gets messier. Kelly’s rival in the gubernatorial race was none other than Congressman John F. Kennedy. And the investigators, many of them Kelly’s close allies, found that Kennedy had ties to the Patriarca Family, who had “aided” in helping him win his congressional races. Overnight, newspaper headlines across the Pilgrim State went nearly berserk in coverage of the story. “CROOKED KENNEDY! DID CONGRESSMAN CALL A HIT?” was plastered front page in every Boston newsstand. Patriarca personally denied it, claiming it was personally between him and Kelly, yet the majority remained skeptical, why after all go to all the trouble now rather than when Kelly was the AG?

    “While there was no smoking gun to link him, Kennedy was eventually forced to resign from both the race and his congressional seat due to the rumors, especially under the pressure of the no-nonsense President Kefauver. A third candidate in the primary, Endicott Peabody, later won the nomination in a landslide. The family name was destroyed, later attempts by John’s brothers to enter politics floundered pathetically. While Kennedy was never charged, and indeed research for this book has shown he cannot be pegged as guilty, the infamy of his connections to the Boston Mafia stir the imagination with the picture of the ultimate corrupt politician. Even today “Kennedy Assassin Conspiracy Theorists” maintain that one of the rising stars of the Democratic Party did indeed call a hit on a political rival…”

    -Excerpt from A Brief History of Organized Crime in New England


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  12. Threadmarks: Thurmond and Saddam

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    Pretty sure this is the 100th update! Thanks for sticking around!

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    “Throughout the deep South, the unfortunate truth of racial violence, still in living memory is constantly suppressed. In the whitewashing of the Civil Rights movement, it may be easy to forget that opposition to desegregation was often more violent than asking people to not sit in certain bus seats. Sometimes segregationists acted with truly tragic consequences.

    Strom Thurmond was one such man. A farmer, he held onto many populist Negrophobic attitudes common of his era and race, especially in the South where the scars of slavery had never healed. The increased integration of African-Americans in every day life. A wave was coming and Thurmond would rather drown than learn how to swim.

    “In June 1957, Thurmond would commit one of the more infamous acts of Southern terrorism. Targeting a Columbia, South Carolina church, he planted a bomb. Upon a tranquil Sunday morning, it exposed killing two and injuring dozens more. Photograph of the violence stunned those who saw them, but the corrupt and white supremacist police department did nearly nothing in the investigation, much to the outcry of the NAACP. It was not until the 70s that Thurmond faced judgement when a new state attorney general reopened the case. Found guilty by a mixed-race jury, he was sentenced to death, dying via lethal injection in 1985.”

    -Excerpt from the documentary To Our Last Breath


    “ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ON KING GHAZI STOPPED IN IRAQ” -New York Times, 1959

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    “Saddam Hussein, a young and rouge member of the Iraqi army, said that he targeted the King because of the Ghazi’s oppression of progressive Pan-Arabists in favor of a more conservative and monarchical nationalism. Indeed, the Iraq military was more stacking towards loyalists to the throne by the day. But fate was not upon the side of Saddam Hussein when he fired his bullets, the King was not even injured; the attacker quickly executed in prison.

    “Meanwhile the relations between Ghazi and Jordan’s sovereign, Hussein bin Talal, had warmed greatly to the extent that two Hashemite kingdoms, united as one in the goal of pans-Arabism.

    “To the east however, the growing movement of Iranian irredentism would be a problem to say the least…”

    -Excerpt from The Birth of The Modern Arab World

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    The expanded Arab Federation


    “Cuomo, Mario (1932-2015). Outfielder for the Pittsburgh Pirates from 1954-1975. Teammate of two World Series winning seasons. Mario Cuomo was born in Queens, New York to Italian immigrants. At age 6, he…”

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  13. Gerbbro Member of the Long Political Machine

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    Oh, the absolute tragedy.
     
  14. stirlingdraka Female Draka Defector Donor

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    Both Strom Thurmond and Saddam Hussain dead. Yes! This is a better TL. Shame that Strom killed two innocent people at Church though.
     
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