The Munich Coup - my latest TL

Eurofed

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The map was otherwise very good, but it had two glaring mistakes IMO: first, it failed to represent Hungarian gains in southern Slovakia at Munich (the First Vienna Award) and second, Finland would surely claim all of Karelia, including East Karelia, at the Instanbul conference table, and the Allies would have no reason to deny them. Sorry if I failed to make my previous suggestion about the latter point clear.

Here's the edited map:

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This TL is very good, I like it a lot :) But there are a few points that I don't understand:

a) Why was Hungary awarded with only Hungarian parts of Vojvodina but took ethnically Croatian Slavonia under the treaty of Sofia?
b) The Balkans were divided very harshly ITTL, wouldn't there be any massive Serb/Croat rebellions?
 
The Croats and Serbs now more or less have states with ethnically defined borders so I doubt we'd see ethnic cleansing and all that 1990s stuff ITTL. About Slavonia, it was considered to belong to Hungary. IIRC, the Hungarians occupied it in WW2 after the invasion of Yugoslavia by Germany and Italy in 1941.
 
The Croats and Serbs now more or less have states with ethnically defined borders so I doubt we'd see ethnic cleansing and all that 1990s stuff ITTL.

And what about Serbs and Croats in Istria, Dalmatia, Vojvodina, Slavonia?

About Slavonia, it was considered to belong to Hungary. IIRC, the Hungarians occupied it in WW2 after the invasion of Yugoslavia by Germany and Italy in 1941.

Really? :confused: AFAIK it was a part of Independent State of Croatia...

I'm just wondering because Vojvodina is definitely much more 'Hungarian' than Slavonia is.

EDIT: Did you mean Baranja?
 
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Finland would surely claim all of Karelia, including East Karelia, at the Instanbul conference table, and the Allies would have no reason to deny them. Sorry if I failed to make my previous suggestion about the latter point clear.

Finland claiming all of East Karelia is probably somewhat excessive. These are standard "Greater Finland"-borders, all right. But are they feasible come the late 40s?

After large-scale damage to civilian & state property during the *Finno-Soviet War, Soviet occupation, purges & transportations Finland is dirt poor and in internal disarray after regaining independence. The question is, does the new Finnish government see it feasible to absorb all of Eastern Karelia, even IOTL a much poorer and underdeveloped area? I'd see the Finnish leadership falling in line with a reasonable demand to reinstate the 1920 borders, maybe just a little extra like the Repola and Porajärvi areas (in red) added.


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For some historical irony, one could posit a Finland claiming in Karelia the areas Stalin promised for Kuusinen's Finland. like on this original map from Dec. 2nd, 1939. Sans the concessions on the Isthmus, of course.

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TTL has not seen the realization of Finnish imperialism we saw in 41-44. The Greater Finland crowd ITTL has stayed in the fringe, and anyway Stalin very likely made most people in it disappear during Sovietization. Whoever is in power in the resurgent Finnish Republic have the instincts of survivors and will likely accept an alt-Paasikivian stance recognising that there will always be a Russia and that it is in the long-term interest of any Finland to avoid creating permanent reasons for confrontation with said nation. Like the borders of an overextended, sword-hanging-on-St. Petersburg Greater Finland.
 
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Eurofed

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And what about Serbs and Croats in Istria, Dalmatia, Vojvodina, Slavonia?

With the cumulative effects of the Third Balkan War, the genocidal Soviet occupation, and the 40-year-long inclusion in the fascist SL, no doubt we may assist to some serious demographic changes in the region. Fascist Italy would surely Italianize everything in Istria and Dalmatia. With the fall of the fascist regimes, democratization and inclusion of former SL powers in EEDA/GDA, surviving minorities would get access to autonomy guarantees, but all of Europe becomes an EEDA/GDA turf, which would not allow substantial border changes. Istria, Dalmatia, and Vojvodina are going to stay where they are.

Really? :confused: AFAIK it was a part of Independent State of Croatia...

I'm just wondering because Vojvodina is definitely much more 'Hungarian' than Slavonia is.

EDIT: Did you mean Baranja?

I think you may have a case here. As much as Magyar irredentism goes, Hungary was keen to recover as much as it could of Slovakia and Transylvania, whixch were parts of the historic kingdom of Hungary, and in this case it is fine to let gain southern Slovakia and Northern Transylvania, more or less the areas where they could claim majority-plurality, but Croatia had always beln a more distinct part of it, they wanted Vojvodine and Baranja back, but I doubt they would want all of Slavonia, which had very little Magyars.
 
I think you may have a case here. As much as Magyar irredentism goes, Hungary was keen to recover as much as it could of Slovakia and Transylvania, whixch were parts of the historic kingdom of Hungary, and in this case it is fine to let gain southern Slovakia and Northern Transylvania, more or less the areas where they could claim majority-plurality, but Croatia had always beln a more distinct part of it, they wanted Vojvodine and Baranja back, but I doubt they would want all of Slavonia, which had very little Magyars.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about.

I also think that Hungary would take something different from area that it gained in OTL Second Vienna Award. AFAIK Hitler was not aimed at solving Hungarian-Romanian border problems. Many Hungarians remained in Southern Transylvania while many Romainians remained in it's northern part. So I think that if Hungarians had defeated Romanians in a war, they would have placed the new borders more accurately, though I guess they would always try to pull the Székely land out of Romania. But this raises another question of how they would place the new borders. I guess it depends on what Hungarian victory over Romania is like.
 

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Finland claiming all of East Karelia is probably somewhat excessive. These are standard "Greater Finland"-borders, all right. But are they feasible come the late 40s?

After large-scale damage to civilian & state property during the *Finno-Soviet War, Soviet occupation, purges & transportations Finland is dirt poor and in internal disarray after regaining independence. The question is, does the new Finnish government see it feasible to absorb all of Eastern Karelia, even IOTL a much poorer and underdeveloped area?

Sure, Finland did suffer a lot ITTL. However, let's not forget that it also has a strong guarantee of economic subsidy for its redress from the Allies. The peace treaty is in 1946, the EEDA is founded in 1947, which means the Anglo-Franco-Germans make a Pan-European committment as soon as the war winds down. With all the rage from Soviet occupation, I can see irredentist claims on East Karelia becoming mainstream among Finnish leadership and public opinion, as a compensation. Moreover, there are sound strategic reasons for removing East Karelia, Murmansk, and Lappland from Russian control: it narrows a big pathway for Russian invasions of Finland and Scandinavia, and it hampers access to the Atlantic for Russian warships. I can totally see the Allies *insisting* for Finland taking Murmansk, and if Helsinki had not got it, Norway would have in its stead. Far from being overextended, GF border lies on natural features (the Ladoga-Svir-Onega line) and is better defensible.

TTL has not seen the realization of Finnish imperialism we saw in 41-44. The Greater Finland crowd ITTL has stayed in the fringe, and anyway Stalin very likely made most people in it disappear during Sovietization.

ITTL Finland claims East Karelia with a similar attitude as OTL Poland about Eastern Germany, if with a rather sounder national claim.

Whoever is in power in the resurgent Finnish Republic have the instincts of survivors and will likely accept an alt-Paasikivian stance recognising that there will always be a Russia and that it is in the long-term interest of any Finland to avoid creating permanent reasons for confrontation with said nation. Like the borders of an overextended, sword-hanging-on-St. Petersburg Greater Finland.

Paasikivian stance would be ASB for TTL Finland, given that they were liberated by Allied victory. They have a very strong security guarantee in EEDA Pan-European integration and collective defense. Their geopolitical attitude is going to be wholly similar to the one of OTL post-Cold War Central and Eastern Europe, strong anti-Russian committment to Euro-Atlantic solidarity, integration, and collective defense. They would deem Russia potentially hostile anyway for a long time, regardless of whether they get East Karelia or not.

EEDA conventional and nuclear shield shall be assumed to keep Russia into line (it is one of the main reasons the organization is created). Also because this Europe has no pacifist left-wing guilt complex, quite the contrary, its mindset is going to resemble OTL/TTL America, from their PoV they have nothing to be ashamed about using force in WWII, they fought an heroic just war against genocidal Communism, even Mediterranean fascism was rather less nasty in Europe without Nazi influence.

This Russia may count itself lucky since it is *allowed* to keep St. Petersburg, far from complaining about strategic threats on it. There is no doubt that at the peace conference there are going to be some Morgenthau-like Allied radicals that propose to give Ingria back to Estonia or Finland, in order to deny Russia any strategic outlet to the Baltic and Atlantic. In this sense, giving Russian Lappland and Karelia is a sensible compromise which cuts down Russian access to Scandinavia and the Atlantic, while giving Finland an area which was realtively scarcely pupulated by Russians. Russia ate several nukes in the closing days of WWII, it can have no doubt of the sorry fate that would befall it if it were to lapse in aggressive revanchism against the EEDA/GDA.
 
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Sure, Finland did suffer a lot ITTL. However, let's not forget that it also has a strong guarantee of economic subsidy for its redress from the Allies. The peace treaty is in 1946, the EEDA is founded in 1947, which means the Anglo-Franco-Germans make a Pan-European committment as soon as the war winds down. With all the rage from Soviet occupation, I can see irredentist claims on East Karelia becoming mainstream among Finnish leadership and public opinion, as a compensation.

This is where we disagree, irredentism. IOTL, the Finnish government has never allowed irredentist pipedreams override realpolitical considerations. See the Tartu Peace Treaty, the non-involvement in the independent nationalist cross-border miniwars in the early years of independence, etc. Even during the Continuation War when Eastern Karelia was in Finnish hands it was not formally annexed but remained a military district because it was deemed a politically wise moved in regards to both Moscow and the Western Allies. I find it unlikely that even Soviet occupation would erase the long standing pragmatist tradition in favour of all-out irredentism.

I can understand a desire for vengeance and international guarantees, but it would seem more likely that most Finnish governments would go for reasonable expansion and reparations in the form of currency, industrial products rather than aim for doubling the land area of their shaky, slowly recuperating nation. But if Kola and Karelia are in fact handed forcefully to the Finnish government (by the victorious allies) and the Finns have little say in the matter, I can understand those borders. Hopefully they come with a fair-sized package of economic incentives to boot.;)


Moreover, there are sound strategic reasons for removing East Karelia, Murmansk, and Lappland from Russian control: it narrows a big pathway for Russian invasions of Finland and Scandinavia, and it hampers access to the Atlantic for Russian warships. I can totally see the Allies *insisting* for Finland taking Murmansk, and if Helsinki had not got it, Norway would have in its stead. Far from being overextended, GF border lies on natural features (the Ladoga-Svir-Onega line) and is better defensible.

Any Russian invasion of Finland is most likely centered in Southern Karelia; and a invasion of Scandinavia would come through Southern Finland, the Baltic areas and across mid-Baltic Sea. East Karelia and Lapland are secondary fronts because of difficult terrain and poor connections. Aiming for an "easily defendable" Three Isthmus Line is an understandable idea, but as evidenced in '44 IOTL, the decisive advance wouldl come through the Isthmus. The experience ITTL is likely similar, Finland was occupied because the main defensive line in Southern Karelia could not withstand a Soviet onslaught, not because missing buffer areas in the north. You have a point about Murmansk, but to cut that connection it is enough if Finland/Norway/an international entity is in control of the port and its immediate hinterland, while the Finnish border is close enough to cut the railway further south if need be.

When I say overextended, I mean in the context of Finnish resources, both actual and perceived. ITTL Finland never had the experience of easily driving back the Russian armies like in fall '41 IOTL. Rather to the contrary, they even lack the experience of the mythical defensive victory that was the OTL Winter War. TTL Finns do not seem like a people to base their defensive strategy on holding huge land areas against potential Russian armies. Thus, prudence and caution in expansion would be an understandable frame of mind for the new Finnish leaders.


Paasikivian stance would be ASB for TTL Finland, given that they were liberated by Allied victory. They have a very strong security guarantee in EEDA Pan-European integration and collective defense. Their geopolitical attitude is going to be wholly similar to the one of OTL post-Cold War Central and Eastern Europe, strong anti-Russian committment to Euro-Atlantic solidarity, integration, and collective defense. They would deem Russia potentially hostile anyway for a long time, regardless of whether they get East Karelia or not.

EEDA conventional and nuclear shield shall be assumed to keep Russia into line (it is one of the main reasons the organization is created). Also because this Europe has no pacifist left-wing guilt complex, quite the contrary, its mindset is going to resemble OTL/TTL America, from their PoV they have nothing to be ashamed about using force in WWII, they fought an heroic just war against genocidal Communism, even Mediterranean fascism was rather less nasty in Europe without Nazi influence.

This Russia may count itself lucky since it is *allowed* to keep St. Petersburg, far from complaining about strategic threats on it. There is no doubt that at the peace conference there are going to be some Morgenthau-like Allied radicals that propose to give Ingria back to Estonia or Finland, in order to deny Russia any strategic outlet to the Baltic and Atlantic. In this sense, giving Russian Lappland and Karelia is a sensible compromise which cuts down Russian access to Scandinavia and the Atlantic, while giving Finland an area which was realtively scarcely pupulated by Russians. Russia ate several nukes in the closing days of WWII, it can have no doubt of the sorry fate that would befall it if it were to lapse in aggressive revanchism against the EEDA/GDA.

I think a Paasikivian stance is in the real world never ASB for Finland. Even ITTL Russia has not disappeared from the face of the Earth, it has just been tamed and made temporarily irrelevant.

But I see you aim for Finland to become, in terms of the national frame of mind, a "OTL post-1991 Estonia" analogue ITTL. It is possible, if Finland really gets definite international guarantees and there are promises of, say, strong troops from allied nations stationed in Finland after the occupation in Russia ends. Even ITTL, Finland was initially sacrificed to the Soviet Union: you need a lot to overcome the typical Finnish pessimist idea that foreign powers west and south are ready to forsake Finland as a minor inconvenience in terms of the bigger picture.
 
Just found this. Very interesting, and over all very well done Onkle! :)

I have a few minor nitpicks about Italy, like why they invade Istria and Fiume when they've controlled both since 1918 and 1924, respectively :)p). Note that Mussie failed OTL in a similar attempt to build and anti-Yugo alliance, but the Soviet aggression gives a good impetus TTL, so I'll buy that for a dollar. Wondering why Albania, already an Italian puppet with irredentist claims against Yugo (Kosovo), didn't join in the dismemberment of Yugo with all the rest. Also wondering why France left their Yugoslav allies out to dry, particularly since Germany has renounced A-L, meaning there's less reason to kowtow to Rome against Berlin TTL. Note that Italy might also have claimed Kosovo as part of their Albanian "state", maybe even set it up as an independent protectorate...and dumping ground for unwanted Albanians once Italianization of Albania Proper starts.

On Balbo: by the POD his "anti-monarchism" was pretty well cooled off and he had built up a lot of allies in the Monarchy, so I doubt he'd attempt to Republicanize Italy.

The "Italianization" of Dalmatia will be pretty intense, particularly with Balbo at the helm since his wife's family has ancestral claims there. Libya is interesting here as it will be a segregated state, which will mean continued problems and threats to the Fezzan oil. (PS: Libya was to be the "Fourth coast" ;)). Nice thoughts on the Puntland oil. Possibly a better hope for earlier discovery TTL. I'm'a stealin' that one! :D
 

Eurofed

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I can understand a desire for vengeance and international guarantees, but it would seem more likely that most Finnish governments would go for reasonable expansion and reparations in the form of currency, industrial products rather than aim for doubling the land area of their shaky, slowly recuperating nation. But if Kola and Karelia are in fact handed forcefully to the Finnish government (by the victorious allies) and the Finns have little say in the matter, I can understand those borders. Hopefully they come with a fair-sized package of economic incentives to boot.;)

Your point is sound. However, be mindful that, according to the TL, the Euro allies must do a serious committment to integrated economy and collective defense in the late phase of WWII already (the EEDA's foundation is scarcely one year after the end of the war), so Finland comes to the peace conference with a reasonable expectation that the Allies shall subsidize its economic redressment and defend its security in the future. And the Allied mood is to give the Russians a peace settlement that is manageable concerning Russia's size, ethnic-cultural borders, and future livelihood but really punitive enough to prevent it from recovering top-tier great power status too easily. Without resorting to large-scale ethnic cleansing or leaving massive Russian minorities in Eastern European countries, this means pushing Russia back to Muscowy borders, and this is what the Allies implement. The Eastern Karelian border fits quite nicely in this scheme.

We may expect that the Kola-Karelia annexation is the result of a combination with the Allies prodding Finland to get it for strategic reasons, and the revenge-minded Finns not being so averse to the annexation because of Allied guarantees abour economic incentives and collective security. Actually, this peace treaty is a win-win outcome for Finland, they get the Euro Plan Marshall money, the extra land, and the immediate European integration (this balances the scales somewhat for the brutality of Soviet occupation). ;)

When I say overextended, I mean in the context of Finnish resources, both actual and perceived. ITTL Finland never had the experience of easily driving back the Russian armies like in fall '41 IOTL. Rather to the contrary, they even lack the experience of the mythical defensive victory that was the OTL Winter War. TTL Finns do not seem like a people to base their defensive strategy on holding huge land areas against potential Russian armies. Thus, prudence and caution in expansion would be an understandable frame of mind for the new Finnish leaders.

Yup, but again, they have the (correct) expectation that they can rely on European anti-Russian collective defense in the future, which liberated the country once already. And ITTL the EEDA is more than enough of a worthy match for shrunken Russia, even on a conventional level alone, not to matter nuclear supremacy going to last a long while. Remember, this Europe is going to have an "American" attitude to military power.

But I see you aim for Finland to become, in terms of the national frame of mind, a "OTL post-1991 Estonia" analogue ITTL. It is possible, if Finland really gets definite international guarantees and there are promises of, say, strong troops from allied nations stationed in Finland after the occupation in Russia ends.

This is what I wholly expect to happen, indeed. Think it this way: after the Anglo-French-Germans (and after a while, all the recovering "minor" allies in Scandinavia, Central and Eastern Europe, and ex-Soviet space) make wholehearted committment to collective anti-Russian defense as soon as WWII winds down, it entirely makes strategic common sense for them to project their defense as forward as reasonable, within the frontline states (Finland, Baltics, Belarus, Ukraine). This ensures that a Russian comeback is denied "Near Abroad" assets as much as possible and the war is kept as far as possible from the European core.

ITTL we ought to expect at the very least the European equivalent in Finland and the ex-Soviet states of the NATO troops in West Germany and quite probably much more than that. Even if the EEDA shall have to split its defense potential between the Russian and SL borders, and to spare an amount to defend the colonies and repress nationalist insurgencies, we are talking of at least 300 million population even in the early post-WWII period, with a First World economy, cutting edge technology and American-level militarization. They are going to enjoy conventional supremacy in an Euro-Russian rematch to a degree that NATO could only ever dream of. And of course, they are going to keep nuclear supremacy for a long while, so if Russia really misbehaves again, the EEDA may just decide that twice is enough and glass the steppes.

Even ITTL, Finland was initially sacrificed to the Soviet Union: you need a lot to overcome the typical Finnish pessimist idea that foreign powers west and south are ready to forsake Finland as a minor inconvenience in terms of the bigger picture.

See above. And ITTL the Euro-Americans pulled the land equivalent of the Normandy landing for Central and Eastern Europe, fighting Stalin till total victory. I think this ought to dispel previous Finnish feelings of betrayal about being initially left alone, to a very great lot. The allies made several initial mistakes, the anti-Soviet coalition took a while to assemble, but no one is perfect, the final result matters, and Finland was liberated. Besides, in the EEDA defensive strategy, abandoning Scandinavia to the Russians would be sheer foolishness.
 
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Eurofed

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Just found this. Very interesting, and over all very well done Onkle! :)

I have a few minor nitpicks about Italy, like why they invade Istria and Fiume when they've controlled both since 1918 and 1924, respectively :)p). Note that Mussie failed OTL in a similar attempt to build and anti-Yugo alliance, but the Soviet aggression gives a good impetus TTL, so I'll buy that for a dollar. Wondering why Albania, already an Italian puppet with irredentist claims against Yugo (Kosovo), didn't join in the dismemberment of Yugo with all the rest. Also wondering why France left their Yugoslav allies out to dry, particularly since Germany has renounced A-L, meaning there's less reason to kowtow to Rome against Berlin TTL. Note that Italy might also have claimed Kosovo as part of their Albanian "state", maybe even set it up as an independent protectorate...and dumping ground for unwanted Albanians once Italianization of Albania Proper starts.

On Balbo: by the POD his "anti-monarchism" was pretty well cooled off and he had built up a lot of allies in the Monarchy, so I doubt he'd attempt to Republicanize Italy.

The "Italianization" of Dalmatia will be pretty intense, particularly with Balbo at the helm since his wife's family has ancestral claims there. Libya is interesting here as it will be a segregated state, which will mean continued problems and threats to the Fezzan oil. (PS: Libya was to be the "Fourth coast" ;)). Nice thoughts on the Puntland oil. Possibly a better hope for earlier discovery TTL. I'm'a stealin' that one! :D

The rest of your points make sense, but France picking a fight with Musso to save uber-Serbia is frankly a lot unplausible. Remember, Britain and France thought of Italy rather better than it performed OTL (and ITTL their first judgement is correct since Italy has the time to modernize its military that it lacked IOTL). Britain did not give a damn about the unseemely little Serbian empire (they never gave them a guarantee even after Hitler and Mussolini gobbled Czechia and Albania, differently from Poland, Greece, and Romania) and France only cared about it insofar as it was one of the (less important) pieces in its anti-German containtment strategy, which it has wholly abandoned with the Franco-German detente. From the PoV of Britain and France, the Western Balkans are the best place in Europe and the Mediterranean where Italy may satisfy its expansionistic-imperialistic ambitions, far, far better than their North African colonies and southeastern French mainland that were the alternative (or Greece, which London cared rather more about than uber-Serbia).

As it concerns Kosovo, good point, but there may be an explanation: maybe Mussolini, which is denying Serbia pretty much everything else, let it keep Kosovo as a nationalistic consolation prize, in order to keep them quiet without too much military effort. Only Serbians and Albanians really cared about the place anyway. In the end, Kosovo may be used as a dumping ground for Albanians anyway. And quite possibly, after Stalin did his genocidal number on Central and Eastern Europe (OW's numbers, even taking into account the atrocities in Scandinavia and the Middle East, indicate that TTL Soviet genocide may have been even worse than the Nazi one), the massive loss of lives and displacement may have left some leeway to make some "creative" population transfers to settle several long-standing ethnic problems without too much hardship.

As it concerns Libya, if the SL makes a concerned effort to flood it with its settlers, the Arab population is simply going to be demographically overwhelmed.
 

Eurofed

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I've colored the map to highlight post-WWII allegiances (conveniently ignoring the political placement of the Middle East, which is defined in very broad terms, and North African decolonization, for semplicity) before the fall of fascism and European unification in the GDA. I'm uncertain about the fate of Cyprus.

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The rest of your points make sense, but France picking a fight with Musso to save uber-Serbia is frankly a lot unplausible. Remember, Britain and France thought of Italy rather better than it performed OTL (and ITTL their first judgement is correct since Italy has the time to modernize its military that it lacked IOTL). Britain did not give a damn about the unseemely little Serbian empire (they never gave them a guarantee even after Hitler and Mussolini gobbled Czechia and Albania, differently from Poland, Greece, and Romania) and France only cared about it insofar as it was one of the (less important) pieces in its anti-German containtment strategy, which it has wholly abandoned with the Franco-German detente. From the PoV of Britain and France, the Western Balkans are the best place in Europe and the Mediterranean where Italy may satisfy its expansionistic-imperialistic ambitions, far, far better than their North African colonies and southeastern French mainland that were the alternative (or Greece, which London cared rather more about than uber-Serbia).

Actually, France was actively propping up Yugoslavia for most of the inter-war period with weapons and aid. Mussie (who despised France above all else) was preparing for a two-front war with France and Yugo and open hostility between France and Italy were the norm until a) Hitler and b) Laval. Laval supported Mussie only as a counterweight against Germany, of which he held a rational fear. BTW, by POD Laval is long gone after Hoare-Laval hit the press. As long as Germany is still threatening France then France will be more willing to cast their old Serbian ally off, but ITTL by the Italian invasion Germany has informally renounced claims to A-L, so France has less reason to fear German revisionism and more reason to fear Italian aggression. That's not to say they'd necessarily go to war over Yugo, but they won't merely sit by. At least aid is coming Yugo's way. Hmmm...perhaps you could handwave France into hostile neutrality with fears of Soviet expansionism if a more right-wing coalition takes control in France.

You're right on the UK, however. They likely won't care unless Greece and Turkey fall totally into the Italian sphere in a way that threatens the RN's hold of the eastern Med.

As it concerns Kosovo, good point, but there may be an explanation: maybe Mussolini, which is denying Serbia pretty much everything else, let it keep Kosovo as a nationalistic consolation prize, in order to keep them quiet without too much military effort. Only Serbians and Albanians really cared about the place anyway. In the end, Kosovo may be used as a dumping ground for Albanians anyway. And quite possibly, after Stalin did his genocidal number on Central and Eastern Europe (OW's numbers, even taking into account the atrocities in Scandinavia and the Middle East, indicate that TTL Soviet genocide may have been even worse than the Nazi one), the massive loss of lives and displacement may have left some leeway to make some "creative" population transfers to settle several long-standing ethnic problems without too much hardship.

Another good possibility: let the Serbs keep Kosovo and send them the unwanted Albanians. The only problem becomes later if it becomes a staging area for anti-Italian Albanian insurgents.

As it concerns Libya, if the SL makes a concerned effort to flood it with its settlers, the Arab population is simply going to be demographically overwhelmed.

As long as there's a reasonable minority of Libyans there's a potential base for insurgency. Not to say there'll be outright revolution, but terrorism and guerilla attacks are plausible, even probable. And oil facilities and the tentative desert roads to them are a vulnerable target.
 

Eurofed

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Actually, France was actively propping up Yugoslavia for most of the inter-war period with weapons and aid. Mussie (who despised France above all else) was preparing for a two-front war with France and Yugo and open hostility between France and Italy were the norm until a) Hitler and b) Laval. Laval supported Mussie only as a counterweight against Germany, of which he held a rational fear. BTW, by POD Laval is long gone after Hoare-Laval hit the press. As long as Germany is still threatening France then France will be more willing to cast their old Serbian ally off, but ITTL by the Italian invasion Germany has informally renounced claims to A-L, so France has less reason to fear German revisionism and more reason to fear Italian aggression. That's not to say they'd necessarily go to war over Yugo, but they won't merely sit by. At least aid is coming Yugo's way. Hmmm...perhaps you could handwave France into hostile neutrality with fears of Soviet expansionism if a more right-wing coalition takes control in France.

We have to frame French reactions in reference. The Popular Front was already very controversial at home, TTL international events are going to strenghten the influence and appeal of right-wing parties more and more, with the unquestionable success of appeasement towards Germany (it returned to democracy, scaled down the pace of rearmament, gave guarantees on A-L, gave a sensible peace to Poland after victory, and made moves at reconciliation with Czechoslovakia and the West) and increasing signs of Soviet aggressive expansionism. In this framework, a political right-wing shift in France is quite likely (of course, as soon as France declares war to Soviet Russia, the PCF shall be outlawed and its sympathizers interned and despised as fifth-columnists). And it is also very likely that they would apply the appeasement strategy to Italy about Yugoslavia, too: both to "tame" Italy by allowing it to satisfy reasonable irredentistic claims and a "safe" sphere of influence, and to secure it as a very valuable (TTL Italy was no OTL pushover, thanks to two extra years of preparation and the lessons of the Third Balkan War) ally against Soviet expansionism. Given Mussolini's mentality, the gamble proves wholly correct.

Another good possibility: let the Serbs keep Kosovo and send them the unwanted Albanians.
Full agreement here.

The only problem becomes later if it becomes a staging area for anti-Italian Albanian insurgents.
Well, it is impossible for a Balkan overlord to make all nationalities content at once. At least leaving Kosovo to Serbia may make Serbs sufficiently pliable to Italian hegemony, and quelling Albanian insugency is less of an headache than quelling a Serbian one, as numbers and spread in the region go.

As long as there's a reasonable minority of Libyans there's a potential base for insurgency. Not to say there'll be outright revolution, but terrorism and guerilla attacks are plausible, even probable. And oil facilities and the tentative desert roads to them are a vulnerable target.

True, but the Libyans have never been that numerous. I think it is feasible for the Italians to "dump" all of most of them in Niger or Chad (messing somewhat with EEDA colonial turf, but Sahel is not exactly at the top of EEDA strategic priorities) or stake out a low-value part of desertic Libya as a Bantustan-like "reservation" for them. Exiled Libyans may stil stage some insurgency from there, but it is not going to be anywhere as successful as if they had been free to roam the coutnry. Fascist Italy already used the large-scale native-concentration strategy to quell nationalist insurgency in the 1920s. It is wholly plausible they go all the way to secure their assimilation of the "Fourth Shore".
 
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