The Marriage of the Century - A Burgundian Timeline

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by BlueFlowwer, Jan 30, 2019.

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  1. FalconHonour Well-Known Member

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    Oooh! That changes everything about Europe in the 16th Century... Can't wait!
     
  2. BlueFlowwer Well-Known Member

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    I hope that everyone will enjoy the future updates!
     
  3. TimTurner Cartoon Phanatic

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    Says the people of Burgundy: "We for one welcome our new English overlords"
     
  4. BlueFlowwer Well-Known Member

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    I don't think there are any english overlords in Burgundy at the moment. Or do you mean Margaret? :eek:
     
  5. TimTurner Cartoon Phanatic

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    I was humorously trying to allude to the potential for a Burgundy under the influence of England, once all is said and done.
     
  6. BlueFlowwer Well-Known Member

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    Oh, sorry. We will see how it goes...
     
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    Mars public television announcer: "It is New Years 2350. England and France are still at war in what many call the Never-Ending Anglo-French Wars, or, now, the Thousand Years War. News is that an English outpost in the Galmara Quadrant was ransacked by French troops..."
     
  8. BlueFlowwer Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I can say that Burgundy will not be ruled by England in this TL.
     
  9. isabella Well-Known Member

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    Both of them quite prevedibile considering the direction who this TL is taking
     
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  10. BlueFlowwer Well-Known Member

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    That and the fact that I loath Hapsburg Spain
     
  11. ALF0N53 Well-Known Member

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    Charles is too bold for his own good.

    France might be facing not just England, but the HRE in the upcoming war. Pretty exciting.
     
  12. Germania09 Well-Known Member

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    Without the wealth of the Burgundian inheritance, what will become of the most prestigious House of Habsburg? What new dynastic hijinks can they intangle themselves into ITTL :p
     
  13. Jan Olbracht Well-Known Member

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    Habsburg would have less resources to fight Jagiellons over domination in Central Europe and possibly would not get Czech and Hungarian thrones I guess.
     
  14. isabella Well-Known Member

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    They will still likely get them...
    Mary of Burgundy will still bring a big dowry and likely also an annual income so Maximilian will have the money for his wars in Central Europe and will be able to get at least the bohemian crown
     
  15. Jan Olbracht Well-Known Member

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    Maximilian lost in 1490 even with Mary's money, despite fact, that Jagiellons fought each other more than they fought against him. Only after retarded Louis II (and birth of Louis II is butterflied away certainly ITTL with existing Burgundy and Anne of Brittany not being Queen of France) died without kids Habsburgs get the thrones, still not without big problems-Hungarian nobility preffered Zapolya over Ferdinand.
     
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  16. isabella Well-Known Member

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    Well Maximilian was able to securing Bohemia and Hungary for his line if Vladislaus died heirless so if he was able to get the same treaty and Vladislaus had no son he will able to take at least Bohemia with its electoral vote (never acquiring Hungary will be only good for the Habsburg) plus in 1490 Maximilian had not anymore Mary’s money and had not yet received the money of Bianca Maria (the only truly big source of money he had as Emperor)
    Charles V was the only Emperor who had the Burgundian money for himself
     
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  17. Jan Olbracht Well-Known Member

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    Vladislaus agreed, because he was fighting against his own brother, thus he needed to secure his Western border. Once John Albert renounced his claims, Vladislaus was not that willing to respect treaty with Max. Austria was hardly military power then, Matthias Corvinus beaten Austrians regulary and made Vienna his residence. When Habsburgs eventually gained Bohemia and Hungary they were much more powerful, with their vast empire encircling France.
     
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  18. isabella Well-Known Member

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    Well, if Vladislaus still had no son or child Max has good chances to being able to take at least Bohemia...
    Plus here instead of the troubles with Burgundy he will have a lot of money as dowry for Mary and will be able to use them for reinforce his rule over Austria (and if Mary died around 1490 he can always remarry to Bianca Maria Sforza and receive also her dowry)
     
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    pun intended?
     
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  20. Parma Well-Known Member

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    Raising armies is considered very easy? I think the Duke had to give a lot of privileges to the cities in order to get the funds for this instant armies. Melting church bells for guns is something cities would do when they were sieged but doubtfull if they would do this just to please their Duke.....and whithout compansation? Very unlike
     
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