The Map Thread for Turtledove's Great War/Southern Victory series

Possibly....at the moment, Canada seems to be a gigantic version of Northern Ireland during the troubles....between the descendents of the Patriots and Loyalists in this world.

In any case, the USA keeps New Caledonia (you think they'd have renamed British Columbia, right?)

I'm not sure if they would have renamed BC or not. If they did, they would not trade one British name for another. It would be Columbia Nova most likely IMO.
 
which means that, should the analogue continue, that the USA will turn into the American Federation some time in the early 90's once the Socialists are kicked out of power.

That raises another question. Why dont the Confederates scream black and blue about a (albiet rather weak ideologicly) Socialist state above them?

Good question. My answer would be to look at the world in which the Confederates live.
 
Good question. My answer would be to look at the world in which the Confederates live.

I guess the absense of a proper communist state would obviously reduce the Red Scare.

Hang on, couldnt some Socialists propose a socialist black state, based on the socialist uprisings in the First World War? Might be a long shot...
 
I'd say independant Cuba, indepedant Texas, and absorbtion of the Northern tier and the CSA's Mexican States with South Carolina functioning as this Black Republic.
 

Thande

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Scarecrow said:
That raises another question. Why dont the Confederates scream black and blue about a (albiet rather weak ideologicly) Socialist state above them?
Although the USA somewhat represents the USSR in TL-191, the Socialists are more like European social democrats than full-blown Soviet communists (as the hardline black Reds comment in the Great War books, when they disparage them as 'Pinks'). They're democratically elected and respect the process. Featherston thinks they're weak but isn't repulsed by them. As others have said, there is no absolute revolutionary, internationalist Red state like the USSR in this timeline.
 
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Here is my take on the end of the war. Alaska is still Russia, I do not think they are at war with the US.

To the South the US will topple Mexico, give back land to them, confederate land of course, while absorbing the low popultions of the Western Confederate states. Kentucky goes back into US hands, and a large portion of Virginia, with Richmond encircled by American forces, think Berlin. South Carolina becomes a Black Free State, some even hint at the ill fated Socalist republic as an offical title to really stick it to the Confederates. Cuba becomes independent.
 

Thande

Donor
To the South the US will topple Mexico, give back land to them, confederate land of course, while absorbing the low popultions of the Western Confederate states. Kentucky goes back into US hands, and a large portion of Virginia, with Richmond encircled by American forces, think Berlin. South Carolina becomes a Black Free State, some even hint at the ill fated Socalist republic as an offical title to really stick it to the Confederates. Cuba becomes independent.

Tennessee has already been reabsorbed into the Union by the end of The Grapple (or at least the process has begun).
 

Highlander

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I just ordered a bunch of books from this series, and I can't wait to start reading them.

So anyway, I've always wondered this; why didn't either the US or CS annex/buy Baja California?
 
I just ordered a bunch of books from this series, and I can't wait to start reading them.

So anyway, I've always wondered this; why didn't either the US or CS annex/buy Baja California?

A fate worse then death, buying them rather then getting them out from your library? Well, I guess its karma for you posting all those stupid 4chan cat memes.
 
I just ordered a bunch of books from this series, and I can't wait to start reading them.

So anyway, I've always wondered this; why didn't either the US or CS annex/buy Baja California?

I always thought that was odd - made the map inelegant too. Why would Mexico hold onto Baja if it had so little value, since they'd have to maintain the link by sea? And it rather reduces the effectiveness of the CSA's coastline, as they could be bottled up fairly easily.
 
I always thought that was odd - made the map inelegant too. Why would Mexico hold onto Baja if it had so little value, since they'd have to maintain the link by sea? And it rather reduces the effectiveness of the CSA's coastline, as they could be bottled up fairly easily.

The CSA didn't want to spend the extra dollar
 
The CSA didn't want to spend the extra dollar

For secured access to the Pacific? That just seems like a stretch to me; like OTL US being happy with having just the east side of San Fran Bay, the golden gate and the rest of the coast can go to the Spanish/Russians/or British.
 

Thande

Donor
Some new maps using the New Improved Universal Colour Scheme, Internal Divisions and Islands (NIUCSIDI for short).

1914:

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