The Map Thread for Turtledove's Great War/Southern Victory series

Some new maps using the New Improved Universal Colour Scheme, Internal Divisions and Islands (NIUCSIDI for short).

1914:

Please remind me... what happened in the TL-191 Franco-Prussian War? It's just that France's 1914 border with Germany seems to include Alsace-Lorraine. I thought they lost as per OTL. Admittedly I haven't read the series for a while, but I had a look at the wiki and can't see any reason why the French would still have A-L in this 1914.

Other than that, very useful - especially the NIUCSIDI! :D
 

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Please remind me... what happened in the TL-191 Franco-Prussian War? It's just that France's 1914 border with Germany seems to include Alsace-Lorraine. I thought they lost as per OTL. Admittedly I haven't read the series for a while, but I had a look at the wiki and can't see any reason why the French would still have A-L in this 1914.
No-ooo, it doesn't :confused:

Compare with this map below (OTL 1925) which does show France as having Alsace-Lorraine (with the Saar and the occupied Rhineland to the east).

alt_historian said:
Other than that, very useful - especially the NIUCSIDI! :D
Thanks.

1925 1925 Improved.GIF
 
You would think, but I couldn't find any info on that. Who knows. since it seems this will be the last timeline 191 book.
 
the end of the series (SPOILER ALERT)

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Perhaps somebody could amend the map to indicate the various cities hit by "Jovium" bombs. I finished the latest (and probably final) volume yesterday and would be happy to provide the list.
 
Here's my version of the Central Powers WWII victory map, I liked the original, but you forgot to include Finland, which by the Grapple had revolted against Russian rule(with German support) and most likely will be included in the peace talks as a free and 'independent nation'

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Here's my version of the Central Powers WWII victory map, I liked the original, but you forgot to include Finland, which by the Grapple had revolted against Russian rule(with German support) and most likely will be included in the peace talks as a free and 'independent nation'

I don't see that Texas would be an independent country. If it were then extreme nationalists in the USA would be up in arms on the principle of "Once in the Union, forever in the Union". That would apply to any territory given statehood; therefore the Sandwich Islands can be given up along with Cuba and the states the CSA purchased from Mexico (none of which are "real" states.) The rest however, "George Washington will be rolling in his grave if this Benedict Arnold government gives up a single square inch of our sacred soil."
 
1864-George McClellan
1868-George McClellan
1872-George Pendleton
1876-George Pendleton
Samuel Tilden was elected in 1876 and nominated that same year in St. Louis according to How Few Reman. He removed the CS States stars from the US flag which caused Blaine to defeat him.
 
I don't see that Texas would be an independent country. If it were then extreme nationalists in the USA would be up in arms on the principle of "Once in the Union, forever in the Union". That would apply to any territory given statehood; therefore the Sandwich Islands can be given up along with Cuba and the states the CSA purchased from Mexico (none of which are "real" states.) The rest however, "George Washington will be rolling in his grave if this Benedict Arnold government gives up a single square inch of our sacred soil."

I didn't make Texas independent, Turtledove did in his novel.
 
Here's my version of the Central Powers WWII victory map, I liked the original, but you forgot to include Finland, which by the Grapple had revolted against Russian rule(with German support) and most likely will be included in the peace talks as a free and 'independent nation'
Sorry I haven't read the book yet so I didn't know. I got the info only from Wiki. Right now Im at Blood & Iron.
 
I agree with many people here: The CS should have gotten Arizona/New mexico during the war of succesion, and Maryland too, since the whole point of the Antietam campaign was to get Maryland to succeed. In OTL they didn't, because of the Southern defeat, but with such a wildly decisive Southern victory, they would have been annexed, and probably West virginia too, right from the beginning.
 
I don't see that Texas would be an independent country. If it were then extreme nationalists in the USA would be up in arms on the principle of "Once in the Union, forever in the Union". That would apply to any territory given statehood; therefore the Sandwich Islands can be given up along with Cuba and the states the CSA purchased from Mexico (none of which are "real" states.) The rest however, "George Washington will be rolling in his grave if this Benedict Arnold government gives up a single square inch of our sacred soil."

Texas is independent in the same way Poland was independent from the Soviet Union; in name only, with perhaps a few bones thrown to the administrators. US troops still occupy the important parts of Texas, US troops still have absolute authority over Texans (such as with Morrell's Equality pamphlet), and Texas can't even sneeze without the US's permission. In return, the US returns Texan POWs quicker and doesn't take hostages like in the rest of the old CSA.

Texas, in other words, is holding onto independence by the skin of its teeth... for the moment.

I agree with many people here: The CS should have gotten Arizona/New mexico during the war of succesion, and Maryland too, since the whole point of the Antietam campaign was to get Maryland to succeed. In OTL they didn't, because of the Southern defeat, but with such a wildly decisive Southern victory, they would have been annexed, and probably West virginia too, right from the beginning.

Two real reasons why not. One, the CSA didn't have any control over anything in Arizona/New Mexico (which aren't even divided), so it's hard for them to claim the land. Second, Britain was hoping to chop down the US without making it overly hostile. Since D.C. was still American, and Lee's invasion of Maryland didn't get the support of the Marylanders that the CSA had been hoping for, it wouldn't have really been in the cards to isolate the US capital by seizing all the unwilling land around it.
 
Someone mentioned Germany takeing territory from France. I edited the map to acomidate that as well as other changes. But I haven't read the settling accounts trilogy yet, so I have no idea how plasible or accurate this one is.

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