The Man in the High Castle on Amazon Prime

Have they finally explained how the Japanese had the means to invade Hawaii, much less the continental US? Each time I hear about the series, I go "That's Sea Lion squared. At least."

Honestly, I just tell myself that it must be the work of aliens lending a small number super advanced, invincible aircraft and ships to the Germans and Japanese which allowed them to completely decimate the bulk of Allied resistance. ASB tech is literally the only way an invasion of the Continental US is physically possible. Of course, the tech cannot be reverse engineered and were of use for only a limited time, which explains why military technology after the war is not that much different OTL.
 
My guess is that we will find out eventually that the Germans had access to the films in the early 1940s and that it informed their strategy.
 
Of course, nothing lasts forever - not even a Thousand Year Reich or a Co-Prosperity Sphere. But the good odds are that you couldn't see the re-emergence of liberal democratic societies until these regimes collapsed/destroyed themselves. And given that the peoples in question would no longer have any living memory of functioning in such a society, and would be burdened with all the cultural and psychological baggage that would come with ruthless fascist rule for generations, it would likely be a while before such communities actually emerged. Consider how Russians struggle with this even now, 27 years after the fall of the Soviet Union.
It's been months, but I've just watched episode one, and
Thomas' sisters and their fellow kids being the first ones to stand up and sieg heil-ing really showcases how much the new generation believe in the tenets of National Socialism...
 
It's been months, but I've just watched episode one, and
Thomas' sisters and their fellow kids being the first ones to stand up and sieg heil-ing really showcases how much the new generation believe in the tenets of National Socialism...

I'm planning on binge watching the season this weekend, so I won't open your spoiler yet. But thanks for the shout out. :)
 

Deleted member 2186

Anybody seen this map that was showed in season 3 of The Man in the High Castle.

DpVAp4wXcAIn_7E.jpg
 
Anybody seen this map that was showed in season 3 of The Man in the High Castle.

DpVAp4wXcAIn_7E.jpg
I believe it was episode 1, when Tagomi was meeting with the Japanese Admiral on board the Yamato class battleship. What's interesting is that it doesn't show the Neutral zone between the PSA and the GNR.
 
I believe it was episode 1, when Tagomi was meeting with the Japanese Admiral on board the Yamato class battleship. What's interesting is that it doesn't show the Neutral zone between the PSA and the GNR.
Actually, it does, Its just a similar shade to the Japanese Territories.
 
That scene also has a map of the rest of Eurasia. It seems most of Latin America is independent, apparently neither the Nazis nor the Japanese bothered to invade them.
 
Good theroy, but at the end of season 1 Joe said Stalin died in 1948, and the Germans dropped an A-Bomb on Washington D.C. on December 15, 1945. Which was shown on episode 10 of season 2.

Yes, you're right. I rewatched it once again. US capitulated in 1947 after a land invasion. Logical assumption is that the US forces were without leadership and that the various groups were self-organized in organizing resistance. Stalin was either caught by the Nazis and shot or removed in internal Soviet coup after war disaster.

I'm going to throw out a guess and say someone (maybe someone in the Pentagon, where Smith was supposed to go when the bomb fell on Washington) recommended Smith to the Nazis and they basically said 'You're obviously a very good man, so here's the deal, you join us and follow our orders to the letter. In exchange, we'll make sure your family lives in high comfort",

It makes sense. Maybe he was in contact with Rockwell before the capitulation, or war itself? I mean, it sounds that US before war was something similar to Weimar Germany. To prove himself, he had to commit war crimes. It's evident that he is not an ideological Nazi, but a product of the situation.
 
Hm, rump Soviet Union is still too large by nazi standards. Neutral Zone and Mexico looks like nice base of operations for resistance.
 
Last edited:
Hm, rump Soviet Union is still too large by nazi standards. Neutral Zone and Mexico looks like nice base of operations for resistance.

True, but in hindsight, what were the Nazis and the Japanese going to do with it? The Urals are pretty much hell on Earth for anyone who wants to live in the cold, not to mention that Central Asia is full of rough and rugged territory that would've made a occupation of the area almost impossible for either side, particularly the Japanese with their shortcomings.
 
Yes, you're right. I rewatched it once again. US capitulated in 1947 after a land invasion. Logical assumption is that the US forces were without leadership and that the various groups were self-organized in organizing resistance. Stalin was either caught by the Nazis and shot or removed in internal Soviet coup after war disaster.



It makes sense. Maybe he was in contact with Rockwell before the capitulation, or war itself? I mean, it sounds that US before war was something similar to Weimar Germany. To prove himself, he had to commit war crimes. It's evident that he is not an ideological Nazi, but a product of the situation.

My headcanon is, that after the nuking of Washington, the shell-shoked survivors of the US-goverment official capitulated, but this capitulation wasn´t accepted by great parts of the country and the army. But people like Hoover and Smith stayed loyal to the "legal" goverment and fought side by side with the Nazis against "muniteers" and "rebels". This "police action" lasted till 1947, but it created a special bound between the Americans and the Germans. Therefore the american Nazis honestly celebrate VD America and the Germans have give them a status as allies.
 
My headcanon is, that after the nuking of Washington, the shell-shoked survivors of the US-goverment official capitulated, but this capitulation wasn´t accepted by great parts of the country and the army. But people like Hoover and Smith stayed loyal to the "legal" goverment and fought side by side with the Nazis against "muniteers" and "rebels". This "police action" lasted till 1947, but it created a special bound between the Americans and the Germans. Therefore the american Nazis honestly celebrate VD America and the Germans have give them a status as allies.


I like this explanation. It fits with what we see in season 1, where the Americans who serve the régime clearly regard themselves as being among the winners, instead of being a colony.


I can see Americans who side with the Germans but are not committed to Nazi ideology per se rationalising their collaboration with arguments such as 'the war is lost, the rebels are just anarchists making things worse', 'the old system has failed. It lost us the war. We need a national revolution. The Germans do have some ideas worth applying,' and 'by proving ourselves to the Germans, we can retain influence in our country and prevent worse from happening'.


Of course, such arguments seem pretty hollow when they're participating in mass killings and helping the Nazis carry out their extermination of 'undesirables', but this is the kind of mantra people would tell themselves to justify their actions. Of course, some would just sign up because they're ambitious and see an opportunity.
 
Last edited:
True, but in hindsight, what were the Nazis and the Japanese going to do with it? The Urals are pretty much hell on Earth for anyone who wants to live in the cold, not to mention that Central Asia is full of rough and rugged territory that would've made a occupation of the area almost impossible for either side, particularly the Japanese with their shortcomings.

Until they discover vast mineral deposits, oil and gas - nothing. Slavic remnants are living there in harsh conditions.

My headcanon is, that after the nuking of Washington, the shell-shoked survivors of the US-goverment official capitulated, but this capitulation wasn´t accepted by great parts of the country and the army. But people like Hoover and Smith stayed loyal to the "legal" goverment and fought side by side with the Nazis against "muniteers" and "rebels". This "police action" lasted till 1947, but it created a special bound between the Americans and the Germans. Therefore the american Nazis honestly celebrate VD America and the Germans have give them a status as allies.

That figures. It seems that Nazis are treating America in the way Brits treated India - crown jewel of their empire. Considering nazi racial policies, it would make sense that majority of Americans would rather accept new leadership approved by Germans, then risk becoming nuclear wasteland. Nazi America is better place to live compared to Eastern Europe, Africa or Japanese occupied China. ''Blood and soil'' generation is pretty much brainwashed as Hitlerjugend.
Jahr Null is the beginning of the Germanization of America. After extinction of the generation that actually lived in pre-war America, there is nothing to prevent Himmler or any another Nazi to declare American Reich as integral part of Germany. Smith realized that. He'll be a liability then.
 
IIRC FDR was killed in 1932/33 ITTL, and the USA was orders of magnitude worse/weaker than IOTL. It was probably as bad as the KR USA which made a Japanese and German invasions possible later on.
 
IIRC FDR was killed in 1932/33 ITTL, and the USA was orders of magnitude worse/weaker than IOTL. It was probably as bad as the KR USA which made a Japanese and German invasions possible later on.

Course Garner was not nearly as bad as some make him out to be supporting most of the tenants of the new deal and he was also very much anti-Japanese
 
I want painful death for Smith. I want Destiny to unleash her wrath upon Smith.
Bravo, Rufus Sewell! You played your character very truthfully. Youre an a excellent actor!
 
Top