The Magyars stay in the steppe

What if the Magyars managed to defeat the Pechenegs and, thus, stayed in the steppe? What would happen to what is now Hungary? Personally, I believe, that, it would remain Slavic and, that, the West Slavs and the South Slavs would remain geographically connected.
 
What if the Magyars managed to defeat the Pechenegs and, thus, stayed in the steppe? What would happen to what is now Hungary? Personally, I believe, that, it would remain Slavic and, that, the West Slavs and the South Slavs would remain geographically connected.

Not only stay Slavic but also prone the get absorbed by the Germans of the East Frankish Kingdom/Holy Roman Empire.

The Magyars will likely get taken out of the Steppes though with bigger groups threatening them.
 
Given the history of the surrounding cultures, would these 'Hungarian Slavs' end up Catholic & west European influenced, similar to the Poles, Cezchs, Serbs ect...
 
Given the history of the surrounding cultures, would these 'Hungarian Slavs' end up Catholic & west European influenced, similar to the Poles, Cezchs, Serbs ect...

Hard to say. The odds of Bohemia turning to Byzantine Rites were big. But they turned to Rome. It depends on who is the bigger threat. The Germans started to expand towards Slavic Lands in the 10th century, the same era the Romans got strengthened militarily.
 
Hard to say. The odds of Bohemia turning to Byzantine Rites were big. But they turned to Rome. It depends on who is the bigger threat. The Germans started to expand towards Slavic Lands in the 10th century, the same era the Romans got strengthened militarily.
Interesting to see that both East Rome and the Ottomans had problems to project power and hold terrain in the exact same part of the balkans: Croatia and Hungary. Cleary is quite difficult for any Constantinople based power to project to the western Balkans.
 
Interesting to see that both East Rome and the Ottomans had problems to project power and hold terrain in the exact same part of the balkans: Croatia and Hungary. Cleary is quite difficult for any Constantinople based power to project to the western Balkans.

Problem is not the distance but the geography. The Western Balkans is a bigger hell than the Eastern Balkans. Imagine moving an Army through there.
 
What if the Magyars managed to defeat the Pechenegs and, thus, stayed in the steppe? What would happen to what is now Hungary? Personally, I believe, that, it would remain Slavic and, that, the West Slavs and the South Slavs would remain geographically connected.
Maybe they are historically seen similiar like the huns ?
 
Interesting to see that both East Rome and the Ottomans had problems to project power and hold terrain in the exact same part of the balkans: Croatia and Hungary. Clearly it's quite difficult for any Constantinople-based power to project to the western Balkans.

A big part of that is due to the presence of the Dinaric Alps. They provide a significant, though not insurmountable impediment to conquest. Given the narrowness and length of the mountain passes, and the resulting restriction of mobility on an invading force, any hostile army invading or transiting the area will take significant losses, even from small guerrilla bands. When opposed by a middle-to-large sized power (i.e. the Austrian Empire, combining the military strength of Croatia, Hungary, Austria and Bohemia-Moravia), it becomes a very difficult task, which the Ottomans still managed to achieve temporarily. Even then, that was when the Austrians were unable to concentrate their forces in Croatia/Bosnia, having to fight against the attempts by the Ottomans to flank this region by conquering Pannonia via Serbia and Wallachia.

Given that the Byzantines were experiencing resistance from the likes of Venice when they controlled the Dalmatian coast, and that they had bigger issues in the Eastern Balkans, Anatolia and the Levant, its unsurprising they were unable to muster this degree of effort for the sake of the relatively un-prosperous Western Balkans.
 
They would probably disappear entirely like the Iranic tribes of the Pontic steppe.
Oh, definitely, they'll get wiped out by the Pechenegs, Khazars, Cumans or the Mongols... Unless they manage to stay alive until Mongols, receive the IOTL offer and accept it. Then they get wiped out by the Russians when the other Khanates are.

Replace with butterfly versions as needed,it doesn't make much difference.
 
It would be amusing if small minorities of Magyars migrated to Pannonia and became an ATL equivalent of the Jasz or Cumans, although hopefully not absorbed into whatever state rules Pannonia (Avaria or whatever) and instead a small minority speaking a very unique language. TTL's AH fans would no doubt be fixated on them.

Better yet, send them to Transylvania and have them live in the counties there which are OTL Hungarian majority. If they migrated to the right parts of Transylvania (and this is possible given the right set of events on the steppe) then they'd be much less likely to be linguistically assimilated.
 
The problem is that for the reasons mentioned by others the Carpathian basin also had a kind of power vacuum. Neither the byzantines nor the germans or the bulgars were strong enough in the region. Its also initially possible to nomadize there though not for long. It begged to be conquered by some steppe people. OTL this was the hungarians or magyars if you like. ATL it might be some other group, maybe the pechenegs. The Carpathian basin was also very sparsly populated and not only by slavs - avar remains etc. Also if later the germans decide to settle the area - or somehow become strong enough early enough to prevent anyone settling it before them - there is a good chance that a big part of it would end up as germanic.
 
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What would happen to what is now Hungary? Personally, I believe, that, it would remain Slavic
I don't think it was very Slavic to begin with. There was a hedgepodge of various ethnicities, most prominently Avars, with Slavs mostly being prominent in the North. It's one of those places where anything goes. It could go German or Slavic or something else from the steppes. Lot of possibilities for interesting TLs in there.

It could also be interesting to see the Hungarians beating the Pechenegs and assimilating them, creating a lasting tribal confederation. While disappearance is most likely, as with other such nomads of the era, it would be an interesting to have a TL where they become a lasting state in what is OTL northern Russia and the Baltic and get Christinanized by either Byzantine or the German/Scandinavian priests.
 
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