The M-BAM Main Thread

[Zurirach Adankar]

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German Confederation year 1816

A small mistake. The border between the Kingdom of Württemberg and the Grand-Duchy of Baden around Lake Constance (Bodensee) was slightly different.
Friedrichshafen was in the Kingdom of Württemberg but the area of Meeresburg, Überlingen, Pfullendorf and Salem was part of Baden.

 

[racnes]

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Ottoman Empire year 1914 updated
(waiting for the accuracy assessment)

This little area https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian–Ottoman_convention_(1915)

 

[alexoidd]

A small mistake. The border between the Kingdom of Württemberg and the Grand-Duchy of Baden around Lake Constance (Bodensee) was slightly different.
Friedrichshafen was in the Kingdom of Württemberg but the area of Meeresburg, Überlingen, Pfullendorf and Salem was part of Baden.

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Got it

 

[alexoidd]

Holy Roman Empire 1806
May be VEEEERY inaccurate in the matter of small states, so I'm waiting for your comments

 

[DaniCBP]

Holy Roman Empire 1806
May be VEEEERY inaccurate in the matter of small states, so I'm waiting for your comments
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Bro here doing God's work

 

[alexoidd]

Rhine Confederation 1812 (align with early made Napoleonic France)

 

[alexoidd]

Duchy of Warsaw 1812

 

[alexoidd]

Kingdom of Prussia 1812

 

[felixs]

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Ottoman Empire year 1914 updated
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Looks great, but I think Ottoman-Bulgaria border is wrong

Bulgarian–Ottoman convention (1915) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And also i know people are not used to that but although being completely autonomous Nejd was technically part of Ottoman Empire and the Arabian border should be the 1913 line between two empires, Nejd, Kuwait and Qatar were also mutarassifs of the Ottoman Empire at the same time

Anglo-Ottoman Convention of 1913 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The 1914 Saudi-Ottoman Treaty - Myth or Reality? on JSTOR

Jacob Goldberg, The 1914 Saudi-Ottoman Treaty - Myth or Reality?, Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 19, No. 2 (Apr., 1984), pp. 289-314

www.jstor.org

 

[OxSpace]

Kingdom of Prussia 1812

Those Silesian duchies were not subdivisions or autonomous.

Rhine Confederation 1812 (align with early made Napoleonic France)

Holy Roman Empire 1806
May be VEEEERY inaccurate in the matter of small states, so I'm waiting for your comments

German Confederation year 1816

Are you eyeballing these borders because these borders are very dissociated to their actual shapes.

There are many errors in the Rhine Confederation map; to name a few:

• Lippe-Detmold did not border France
• Nassau does not have some panhandle to Hessen-Darmstadt Westphalia
• Isenburg did not have a continuous territory
• Frankfurt somehow ate a huge chunk from Hessen-Darmstadt
• Saxe-Gotha did not border Frankfurt
• Waldeck is just a completely wrong shape all together
• French Katzenelnbogen is missing
• Schaumburg-Lippe did not border France either
• You have a completely fictional nation/exclave:
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• Leyen is missing
• The Austro-Bavarian border is very weirdly jagged
• There are a lot of exclaves just forgotten, some are obscure but others are visible even on the bare Wikipedia map.

I would highly recommend looking into GIS & georeferencing to generate a proper overlay to trace, because most of these borders are not accurate at all.

 

[Linbot]

I don't really want to hurt peoples' feelings but I feel like a lot of the MBAM/QBAM/VTBAM patches that get produced are kind of, for a lack of a better word, terrible. Personally I don't see any reason why I would ever use them. And they're produced by people who have a fantastic output rate.

 

[JG_Online]

I don't really want to hurt peoples' feelings but I feel like a lot of the MBAM/QBAM/VTBAM patches that get produced are kind of, for a lack of a better word, terrible. Personally I don't see any reason why I would ever use them. And they're produced by people who have a fantastic output rate.

What is the point of this comment? If you don't like the patches put out you are free to make improvements on them, M-BAM is a collaborative project and if you are just going to fence sit calling other peoples work terrible while never making anything of your own it doesnt really hold much value as a critisism.

I spend over a year with my friend making the language map, and I am genuinly proud of it, its the biggest mapping project I have ever pulled off and seeing people like you pull it apart without suggesting any real way to improve it just feels disheartning.

If you don't like the patches, patch them, M-BAM is a collab project...

 

[Cholima]

heeey, the thread is alive again! anyway here's a half-finished poland lithuania patch that i had lying on my computer for the last 5 months because I was busy and totaly forgot about it.

 

[alexoidd]

heeey, the thread is alive again! anyway here's a half-finished poland lithuania patch that i had lying on my computer for the last 5 months because I was busy and totaly forgot about it.

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So which one is the most accurate?.. Or we should combine our projects to find mistakes and correct them?

 

[alexoidd]

I don't really want to hurt peoples' feelings but I feel like a lot of the MBAM/QBAM/VTBAM patches that get produced are kind of, for a lack of a better word, terrible. Personally I don't see any reason why I would ever use them. And they're produced by people who have a fantastic output rate.

bruh what's the message of this post? help to do it better then if you know how :/

 

[Cholima]

So which one is the most accurate?.. Or we should combine our projects to find mistakes and correct them?

I'am fairly sure my border with east prussia and hungary is better and your border with the hre is superior. As for internals its a mixed bag but in most areas i'd say yours are better (some of mine, in belarus aspecialy, are from an older, much less polished version that I didn't get around to updating) I think my semigalia, wojewodztwo krakowskie and sandomierskie are better but that could be just a question of different projection. Also sorry for the maybies and probalies i dont really have time to find the sources I worked of of so this is all from memory://

 

[JG_Online]

So which one is the most accurate?.. Or we should combine our projects to find mistakes and correct them?

Not that I think you guys missed it but also remove the Ukrainian Dnipro resevoirs from this map which did not exist at the time

 

[alexoidd]

I'am fairly sure my border with east prussia and hungary is better and your border with the hre is superior. As for internals its a mixed bag but in most areas i'd say yours are better (some of mine, in belarus aspecialy, are from an older, much less polished version that I didn't get around to updating) I think my semigalia, wojewodztwo krakowskie and sandomierskie are better but that could be just a question of different projection. Also sorry for the maybies and probalies i dont really have time to find the sources I worked of of so this is all from memory://

Same thoughts, I'll try to mix our Poland-Lithuania to do it's best version

 

[alexoidd]

Not that I think you guys missed it but also remove the Ukrainian Dnipro resevoirs from this map which did not exist at the time

Right

 

[Cholima]

Same thoughts, I'll try to mix our Poland-Lithuania to do it's best version

Godspeed