The Luciferian Crusade: A Collaborative Timeline

One of the big problems in my mind is that Joseph Stalin killed the Comintern in 1935, long before the Cold War. While it would certainly work with the idea of a 1930s pulp organization, it doesn't quite work, unless some PODs can be developed. If you can add some PODs based on the Comintern, I can certainly see what can be pulled off...

Or did he... (dramatic music) :p

Ok, say the greater communist movement or whatever.
 
Or did he... (dramatic music) :p

Ok, say the greater communist movement or whatever.
If you can firm up some dates and characters, I can certainly buy it. Just consider that the Brasidas seems to be pointing things in the right direction for the ATL....
 
If you can firm up some of the dates, I can certainly see it working. For the issue of Pakistan-India going nuclear , that still has to remain after c.1964 (the date when the USSR helps China gain the nuclear bomb). In OTL, India and didn't get weapons until 1974 in OTL....

I can see Iraqi Communist Party General-Secretary Aziz Muhammad launching a revolt in c.1978, in resistance to Saddam Hussein, with it collapsing before c. 1979/1980. As for Iran, Ali Khavari and Parviz Hekmatjoo could certainly launch a revolt against the Iranian government in c. 1979-1982...

Other than that please feel free to make adjustments...

I've got some time, and I'll do some research into it.

The domino butterflies'll cause an increasingly massive divergence, though, particularly in Iran by the mid to late 70's. How might a partitioned Iran look 30 years after WWII? The opposition leaders might be close to OTL, but their situation'll be be quite a bit different and I've got doubts about coming up with realistic guesses about it.
 
Here is a quick skeleton of the ATL for the "Luciferian Crusade":

c.1935- Joseph Stalin continues the institution of the Comintern, despite advice to dismantle the organization...

c. 1945- Martin Bormann, Reinhard Heydrich, Otto Skorzeny and Otto Strasser escape into Brazil in an effort to elude Allied forces...

c.1946- Soviets seize control of northern Iran, sparking Middle Eastern tension...

c.1948- Barone Giulio Cesare Andrea Evola preaches humanity existed in a "dark age of unleashed materialistic appetites, spiritual oblivion and organised deviancy", proclaiming the need for a "Luciferian Crusade"...

c.1956- Suez Crisis; France and Great Britain retake the Suez Canal, relations cool with the United States in the process...

c.1960- Savitri Devi Mukherji (a.k.a. Maximiani Portaz) begins preaching about the idea of a "New World Order" in Munich, West Germany...

c.1960-1966- "Luciferian Crusade" leaders smuggle arms, mercenaries, etc. to the secessionist Katanga province in the newly-independent Belgian Congo

c.1965- Ageria is granted independence from France, after years for fighting since 1954, becoming one of the longest conflicts of the Cold War...

c.1972- Agha Hasan Abedi forms the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) in Luxembourg, as a corporate face, laundering money for the "Luciferian Crusade"....

c.1974: Angered over India's nuclear weapons test, Agha Hasan Abedi, BCCI, begins laundering money to Pakistan to finance its nuclear weapons program...

c.1978- Iraqi Communist Party General-Secretary Aziz Muhammad launching a revolt, in resistance to Saddam Hussein,...

c.1979- Phoolan Devi of Uttar Pradesh, India is recruited into the "Luciferian Crusade", becoming one of the highest-ranked females in the group...

c.1980-1988- BCCI begins weapons purchases and sales for Iraq, during teh Iran-Iraq War, laundering billions of dollars in the process...

c.1982- CIA operatives begin using BCCI as a means to launder money to different anti-communist guerilla movements worldwide...

c.1982- Ali Khavari and Parviz Hekmatjoo could certainly launch a revolt against the Iranian government...

c.1989- Agha Hasan Abedi, BCCI, sells NAVSTAR information to the Soviet Union, sparking a massive intelligence coup...

c.1991- INTERPOL police officials are told Agha Hasan Abedi, BCCI CEO, is helping to finance terrorist organizations, unfortunately, the same report claims that Abedi is "psychic"...

c.1992- "Luciferian Crusade" members led by Shoko Asahara obtain several nuclear weapons from the collapsing Soviet Union, including several "suitcase" bombs....

c.1994- Leaders of the "Luciferian Crusade" devour the Zapatistas of Mexico, leading the organisation to be called the "World Liberation Front"

c.2002- During the height of the anti-globalisation movement, "Luciferian Crusade" leaders openly seize power in Many Third World and former Soviet Bloc countries such as Kazahstan, Taijikistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Mongolia, Burma, Much of africa, Brazil, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, Cuba, Mexico and Vietnam.

c.2003- WLF is condemned by the UN in a unanimous resolution, leading to massive tensions
 
Based on the ATL skeleton I put together, are there some dates or characters that should be added? If anything, I would probably like to link the Communist guerilla movements and the Neo-Fascist movements of the former USSR. Bonus points if anyone can link some of the New Age or Radical Islamic movements to the ATL.....
 
Sorry I didn't come up with it earlier but I realized there's another way to create a communist organisation in the right time span. The warriors from the Spanish civil war could form it.

The ones fighting for the smaller militias, like George Orwell, where prety dissatisfied with the Stalin controlled fractions, the great irony beeing that they critizised the Stalin-supported fraction for wanting to bring democracy, western style.

The ones fighting in the Stalin supported fraction may think they mismanaged the war and be somewhat dissatisfied.

If they team up, they might try a armed revolution in the west, have some 3rd world adventure or even try provoking a war between east and west. They might team up with Tito or Mao...
 
Sorry I didn't come up with it earlier but I realized there's another way to create a communist organisation in the right time span. The warriors from the Spanish civil war could form it.

The ones fighting for the smaller militias, like George Orwell, where prety dissatisfied with the Stalin controlled fractions, the great irony beeing that they critizised the Stalin-supported fraction for wanting to bring democracy, western style.

The ones fighting in the Stalin supported fraction may think they mismanaged the war and be somewhat dissatisfied.

If they team up, they might try a armed revolution in the west, have some 3rd world adventure or even try provoking a war between east and west. They might team up with Tito or Mao...
If you can come up with some of the names of these Statlinist militia leaders, I am pretty sure they can be added to the ATL for the period of 1936-1939. But the question becomes, why would supporters of the Stalinist cause work with fascist leaders and causes after 1942 and Operation BARABOSSA? After the collapse of the Non-Aggression Pact, it was hard to find any Communists who would admit to working with fascists. This was especially true for the forces of Tito and Mao Tse-tung....
 
I didn't expect them to team up in 1939, most will go on fighting the nazis. I had post 1945 in mind. More like a Afgan war eqvivalent where the fighters start building networks during and after the war when they no longer have the nazis as a common enemy.
 
I didn't expect them to team up in 1939, most will go on fighting the nazis. I had post 1945 in mind. More like a Afgan war eqvivalent where the fighters start building networks during and after the war when they no longer have the nazis as a common enemy.
Well there is certainly the battleground, c. 1946-1953 of northern Iran for the militias. You can also look at Yugoslavia from c. 1946-1948, if you want to have some guerillas with European connections. Even Spain, which had a steady stream of guerilla campaigns from 1946-1953 along the Franco-Spanish border. These guerillas were supposedly part of a "Freemason conspiracy"....
 
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Some thoughts-

Though this may be comic bookish, what I kinda like is the idea of a "United Nations of evil"- basically some sort of unofficial collaborative forum of terrorists, renegade generals, rogue states, criminal syndicates, evil corporations, shady bankers, and so on. Such a group would not be one organization, but a means for various different anti-establishment, anti-status quo group to meet and cooperate against the world order.

The SPECTRE-like idea of an international assembly of treacherous spies from different organizations working together against all sides is cool, too. Except maybe they're less for world domination and more for the money and revenge against the nations that played them.

A trope that's been used in Metal Gear Solid, and also in EndWar's novelization apparently is the idea of a group of disaffected former soldiers, especially special forces like the villains of The Rock, who are angry at their home countries for betraying them. General Shepherd from Modern Warfare 2 also has that kind of motivation.

Or you can just have evil mercenaries who are international criminals and dabble in terrorism.
 
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Some thoughts-

Though this may be comic bookish, what I kinda like is the idea of a "United Nations of evil"- basically some sort of unofficial collaborative forum of terrorists, renegade generals, rogue states, criminal syndicates, evil corporations, shady bankers, and so on. Such a group would not be one organization, but a means for various different anti-establishment, anti-status quo group to meet and cooperate against the world order.

The SPECTRE-like idea of an international assembly of treacherous spies from different organizations working together against all sides is cool, too. Except maybe they're less for world domination and more for the money and revenge against the nations that played them.

A trope that's been used in Metal Gear Solid, and also in EndWar's novelization apparently is the idea of a group of disaffected former soldiers, especially special forces like the villains of The Rock, who are angry at their home countries for betraying them. General Shepherd from Modern Warfare 2 also has that kind of motivation.

Or you can just have evil mercenaries who are international criminals and dabble in terrorism.
I like the SPECTRE-like idea of an international assembly of terrorists, but the question becomes, "What keeps them united?" Even if they are motivated by a sense of monetrary gain, there also has to be an element of political gain to be made. Consider that the IRA is certainly not going to join an organization which plans to blowup the Vatican. Also the KKK is not going to help the MPLA come to power in Angola.

There could be a unifying character or personality, but if it is not handled carefully, it ends up sounding like Austin Powers....
 
My UN of evil idea probably wouldn't work, neither would the popular forgotten soldiers Outer Heaven idea. The SPECTRE idea may work given they're non-ideological spies and intelligence agency operatives who have been scheming so long and cutting deals that they might as well not be on a side anymore.
 
My UN of evil idea probably wouldn't work, neither would the popular forgotten soldiers Outer Heaven idea. The SPECTRE idea may work given they're non-ideological spies and intelligence agency operatives who have been scheming so long and cutting deals that they might as well not be on a side anymore.

Do you have any dates or names that could be used to nail down the when this SPECTRE-style organization would be put together? If anything, I think with a few more PODs, the "Luciferian Crusade" can actually take life.
 
I just discovered this ATL and I love how it's developed.

But it needs more drugs! Given the LC's involvement in Afghanistan and Latin America (and their links to intelligence agencies) a role in the heroin and cocaine trades is almost inevitable. Criminal gangs could be activated as a kind of fifth column when needed, and links with organized crime would be extensive. Plus, Drug War hysteria is perfect for retro-GI-Joe-style villainy :D

Also, I think we should do more with South Africa. An LC-backed post-apartheid coup could install a far right puppet government that gives the organization access to weapons (including WMDs), bases, etc. It just seems like a natural alliance for fascist terrorists.

Ultimately, I imagine the ATL's 90's to be less about coopting leftist antimperialist movements (devouring Zapatista's, etc.), and more of an alliance of "rogue nations," "state sponsors of terrorism," and "persistent human rights abusers," that rises (under Luciferian influence) to fill the void left by the fall of communism.

Once the bastards get the oil, only GI Joe (or the ATL equivalent) can save us.
 
I just discovered this ATL and I love how it's developed.

But it needs more drugs! Given the LC's involvement in Afghanistan and Latin America (and their links to intelligence agencies) a role in the heroin and cocaine trades is almost inevitable. Criminal gangs could be activated as a kind of fifth column when needed, and links with organized crime would be extensive. Plus, Drug War hysteria is perfect for retro-GI-Joe-style villainy :D

Also, I think we should do more with South Africa. An LC-backed post-apartheid coup could install a far right puppet government that gives the organization access to weapons (including WMDs), bases, etc. It just seems like a natural alliance for fascist terrorists.

Ultimately, I imagine the ATL's 90's to be less about coopting leftist antimperialist movements (devouring Zapatista's, etc.), and more of an alliance of "rogue nations," "state sponsors of terrorism," and "persistent human rights abusers," that rises (under Luciferian influence) to fill the void left by the fall of communism.

Once the bastards get the oil, only GI Joe (or the ATL equivalent) can save us.
This could certainly work. Can you put together some PODs and names. Roughly speaking, I am gueessing that the "LC" role in the drug trade would start in c. 1953-1976. In OTL, the period of c.1948-1959, had the "French Connection", wherein French criminal syndicates, based out of Corsica, exploited the French colonial network and trafficked heroin throughout Western Europe and the United States. With the period of c.1965-1976, as seen in Blow, many small smugglers and traffickers took advantage of political unrest in Latin America, and the rise of drug culture in the United States to expand their control of cocaine trafficking. In 1979-1981, the problem of competition with the Italian Mafia would come to blows over cocaine and/or money-laundering as seen in American Me and Godfather III...

In regards to the issue of South Africa, the 1970s and 1980s would be a perfect time for infiltration, especially considering the many mercenaries who fought with South Africa in Angola and other countries in the region. They would certainly want to smuggle some of the scientists who conducted biological weapons experiments up until c.1994...

If you can find the PODs and or names they will certainly be added to the PODs of the ATL.
 
My favourite joke is somewhat relevant, a conspiracy of lone nuts. :D
Unfortunately it sounds a litte too much like the Mel Gibson/Julia Roberts film Conspiracy Theory, wherein we are led to believe that a person can be assassinated by an earthquake....

Another problem is that it doesn't fit with the modus operandi of "Cobra" or the "Brotherhood of Nod"....
 
I wrote my own Lucifer/Cobra article, trying to fill it with cool stuff. I probobly missed some stuff so feel free editing and adding stuff to this.
 
Lucifer and Cobra
Nobody studying the Lucifer Organisation and its sucessor, Cobra, can
avoid thinking about the famous words of Angelton, the CIA counter
intelligence chief who fought them during his career. "It's a
wilderness of mirrors."

Peter Wright who studied and confronted the Lucifer Organisation and
Cobra during his career in MI5 suggested that it was founded by a group
of disapointed veterans form the Republican side in the Spanish civil
war and that fit what is known about the organisation.

However, some trace the origin back to the ancient egypt (Smith), the
Knight Templars (Jones), Illuminati (Brown) just to give a few
examples.

The first operations attributed to Lucifer happened in the closing
stages of World War 2, a war where most of their operatives worked at
important and sensitive positions.

It was during this time Lucifer affiliated groups of former OSS and SOE
operatives started using their network gained working behind German
lines to take control and set up a heroin distribution network in
southern Italy, targeting the US market.

Lucifer also played a great role in the creation of Israel. During this
time, their operatives where behind most of the smuggling of of jewish
refugees and weapons to Israel. It is likely people where smuggled out
of the consentration camps long before the war ended. Some accounts,
like Adams, suggest that Otto Skortzky where involved.

This was mainly a problem for local law enforcement personel. The
existence of Lucifer was first brought to the attention of the worlds
intelligence services during the Berlin Shootout May 1, 1947. It was a
event where a number of people dressed in both American and Soviet
uniforms started shooting at a number of places in Berlin. 147 people,
both soldiers, civilians and Lucifer agents where killed. For a moment,
the world balanced on the brink of World War 3 but both sides stood
down.

The Berlin Shootout was largely seen as a attempt to start a armed
rebellion since most of the agents where Germans and at first, the
investigation stalled.

The intelligence services took a step closer to Lucifer when they
started investigating the atomic espionage within the Manhattan project
and the defection of Klaus Fuch to Tito controlled Yugoslavia.
The response was uncordinated. For example, a uranium smuggling ring
shipping uranium from Belgian Congo to Yugoslavia was never discovered.

Yugoslavia started it's first nuclear reactor in 1948 and tested it's
first nuclear devise in 1949.

The unsucessful attempt on the Brittish Royal Family in 1950, by the
acclaimed writer George Orwell led to the discovery of a spy ring
within the Brittish establishment. The former MI5 officer and royal art
historian, Anthony Blunt, who helped Orwell place the bomb commited
suicide while his long time friend and co-Luciefer agent Donald MacLean
defected to Yugoslavia.

The first substansial clues to the operations of Lucifer was during the
McCarthy Hearings. Senator Joseph McCarthy had led a number of hearings
of suspected communist symaptizers as chairman of HUAA in 1951, until a
minor detail destroyed his career and he retired back to Wisconsin.

McCarthy was a stubborn man and never gave up his investigation into
the communist conspiracy and he was joined by a former army colonel
Eric Bell who later wrote about the investigation in the book The
Investigation.

They realised that their main informant, Elizabeth Bently, used him as
a way to attack loyalist Stalinists and moderate socialists to further
a extremist communist agenda heavily focused on independence form
Moscow.

Illegal wiretapping and at least two break-ins hinted that Lucifer a
reference to enlightenment as well as references to the Berlin Shootout
and George Orwell.

McCarthy and Bell presented their findings during in front of a special
group in the Senate. This was known as the McCarthy Hearings, held in
1952.

This put the spotlight firmly on Lucifer and they where connected to
just about any world event. The funniest beeing a claim that Lucifer
where behind an attempt to fake evidence of the Loch Ness monster.

This makes it difficult to know what Lucifer did during this period but
a reasonable assumption is that they had a role in the anti-colonial
rebillions that broke out during this period.

1957 was a important year in the history of Lucifer. The discovery of a
MI6 officer, Kim Philby, working for Lucifer led MI5 to a member of the
Lucifer board of directors, Leopold Trepper, working as a buissnessman
in France.

Due to a series of mistakes, both managed to avoid arrest and defect to
Yugoslavia.

The death of Joseph Stalin in December 1957 was the formal end of
Lucifer. The death is attributed to Lucifer by, among others, Carter.
Lucifers members where ordered to apply for membership in the Soviet
Communist Party or offered their services to KGB.
 
Part 2: The Rise of Cobra
Many of the older members left for the Soviet Union or at least offered
them their services. The younger members founded a breakaway fraction
named Cobra. The name may come from a member only identified as Number
5 who had a pet cobra he used to play with during meetings.

The main difference between Lucifer and Cobra was their relationship
with Israel. Lucifer was always pro-Israeli but Cobra opposed Israel.
Davies argue it was due to disappointment since Israel didn't become as
socialist as they had hoped. Eich claim it was antisemitism.

Cobra recived it's first major blow in 1959 when Tito ordered raids
against all Cobra and Lucifer property in Yugoslavia and gave
intelligence to western intelligence agencies.

Cobras first major operation was recruiting German scientists to woek
for Nassers secret rocket program. Fish suggest that a Lucifer
operative was killed some of the scientists.

Hollis speculate that the next major operation took place in 1960 when
a Cobra operative snuck a bomb onboard a U2 spy plane blowing it up
over the Soviet Union and stopping the improving East-West relations in
the post-Stalin years. The suspected bomber, Lee Harvey Oswald, was a
marine working a guard on a secret U2 airfield and he later defected to
the Soviet Union.

But since the wreck was in Soviet, US investigators lacked the ability
to prove Oswald was guilty and he returned to work as in a Cobra front
company, a book deposit in Dallas.

Oswald used it to get inside the security perimiter and shot the
president of the US, JF Kennedy, when he ordered US law enforcement
agencies to investigate the mafia and thus treatening Cobras drug
profits.

However, the main operating area during the 60's was the Middle East
where Cobra agents supported and participated in operation against
Israeli intrerests.

The contacts built in the Middle East allowed them go on and work with
European terrorist groups and people the Venezuelian terrorist Carlos
and Sirhan Sirhan, a Palestinian terrorist who killed RF Kennedy when
he wanted to investigate the drug trade.
 
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