yeah, but the point I was making is that whole
"I'm not a racist, but ..." thing is TTL's Hitler's rhetoric and policy down to a T.
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yeah, but the point I was making is that whole
"I'm not a racist, but ..." thing is TTL's Hitler's rhetoric and policy down to a T.
Well, I would say that is partialy true, since antisemitism is still there, if somewhat reduced when compared to OTL.
It is not toned Down AT ALL. It is postponed. Also, racism TTL's Hitler is first and foremost an anti-semite and the fight against what he thinks is a global parasite infestation takes first priority. Here is the quote as it was explained before:
Hitler ITTL desire nothing less than extermination of Jewish people, ideally on a global scale. However, he think the parasite is watching his moves and can bring down the wrath of other nations upon him if it is threatened.
This is not going to be a "nice notzies" TL.
If you are simply referring to his rhetorics, then you would be correct if Hitler ITTL was to die of a heart attack in 1934.
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At least earlier on a voluntary basis and also in early war on a conscripted basis.
Also, please Consult this link. The mobilization of labor in TTL is a massive addition to industrial output as compared to the 12 million IOTL. Some of them of course find their way into the Wehrmacht.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...hmark_for_1936_and_a_Note_on_Hoffmann's_Tales
Hitler has reconfigured the "imaginary Jew" from a racially inseminating rat into the suspicious banker. This is much more amenable to the general German racial anti-Judaism, than the abhorrence of the Nazis for the "jew" IOTL. ITTL "The Jew" is a constellation of banking, conspiracy, believably corrupt "german" human. All of the imaginary of the segregated Central European Ghetto petit-bourgeois hasidic Jew is transferred (at least until "general war in the east") onto a finance banker imaginary. Not rats, not a virus, but a sinful way of being being "punished" by a "folks German state" for its *corrupting* influence, but not for its being. Much like "German" jews managed to survive outside the camps much longer than outlander Jews historically, the imaginary is painted centrally upon the Franko-Anglican finance "jew," or the moneylender local "jew." Never mind that the vast majority of people with Jewish "racial" or family background were ordinary workers. Or in the East "peasants." No this background (readily amenable to mobilisation come a racial war to protect the nation) are currently put aside. Fools. An infectious latency like malaria. Due for quarantine. We will deal with this later.
And what a later *Hitler's imaginary must propose. "Happy Times" for "ordinary men" at the least. BUT NOT YET. The folk are not yet ready for their purifying mission. The people are not yet ready for their mission. We must ensure they are ready unlike in 1914.
And, of course, if you're not a racist they're commissars.
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Being of a revolutionary anti-capitalist bent, I cannot but say, the Soviet citizens will pay an even more onerous toll. A toll greater than anything conceivable except for the Chinese peasantry. The state apparatus of such citizens may be resilient, but they will pay the price with far less blood.
* * *
You.
You hate
You hate me
You hated me to say and I said TOOT TOOT.
yours against NSDAP steam traction,
Sam R.
And what a later *Hitler's imaginary must propose. "Happy Times" for "ordinary men" at the least. BUT NOT YET. The folk are not yet ready for their purifying mission. The people are not yet ready for their mission. We must ensure they are ready unlike in 1914.
And, of course, if you're not a racist they're commissars.
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Being of a revolutionary anti-capitalist bent, I cannot but say, the Soviet citizens will pay an even more onerous toll. A toll greater than anything conceivable except for the Chinese peasantry. The state apparatus of such citizens may be resilient, but they will pay the price with far less blood.
* * *
You.
You hate
You hate me
You hated me to say and I said TOOT TOOT.
yours against NSDAP steam traction,
Sam R.
So he's biding his time on the anti=Semitism?
Similiar strategy on foreign policy?
So a more patient, more methodical Hitler?
Scary.
It is almost as though he has a foreshadowing of the 6s he can roll with the german nation. But this is far more interesting than operational, tactical or grand strategic sixes.
Imagine how difficult it would be for liberal democracy, or anti-fascism, if Hitler literally did nothing wrong. Now this is obviously not that speculation, because it is grounded in plausible reactions to political position and "world vision" of an anti-Jewish racialist. There will be the same kind of accomodations to demands from below prefiguring leadership desires. There will be the same kind of reactions to the terrible price paid by enthusiasts doing as labour*1 with a rifle what a chamber filling with gas could do far more efficiently. But there will be more time within which to do so. The eventual numbers might be the same, or higher, but the rate of throughput will definitely be higher. This does not mean we have to like what we plausibly imagine.
yours,
Sam R.
*1 As opposed to the leisure of avoiding facing Soviet partisans or Soviet mainline forces.
Thank you for the link, seems interesting from little I have read, I will try to read it completely as soon as possible.
Also, while we are on subject of foreigners working for Germany, does Hitler have any plans for foreign volunteers to serve in Wehrmacht, once war gets going?
I dont think he would be against it, and probably could recruit "Hilfswilliger" more efficiently than IOTL. At least for a time. Dont want to give too many spoilers here.
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Hitler did reveal some of his beliefs at one time after losing his temper, but got away with it:
Please see the insertion of footnote *** in chapter 19. it is Doble engine driven cars and tractors. Interesting butterfly of this TL.
FWIIW Whilst the Doble down draft boiler is extraordinary it does have one unfortunate limitation in that it will only work with petrol, light oil or liquified gas. IMHO to burn coal or other solid fuel will need to have ITTL developed a suitable conventional stile fire tube or preferably water tube boiler. Probably the best you can do for coal firing is a gaseous combustion water tube boiler using a fan driven forced draft.
Hmmm. As drawn it specifies a combustion champer which is in this case ignited with petrol. Why not coal or coal slurry for that matter?
I dont wish to be too settled regarding this point and I am open to suggestions. Just wanted a more elegant solution if possible.
The burning characteristics of a liquid fuel as used in the Doble Boiler enables the fuel to be sprayed into the combustion chamber as it mixes with the forced draft air supply where it is ignited by a spark plug or singular continuous ignition source. I am no combustion or fluid dynamics engineer but doing that with a solid fuel has I think ben a holy grail of steam power designers for a long time.
Apologies end of thread hijack.
Apologies end of thread hijack.
Apparently Russian tractors based on gas generators were converted to solidfuels in the Soviet Union....
https://books.google.dk/books?id=gM...page&q=closed solid fuel coal tractor&f=false
Russian Tractors were coveted to using gas generators to supply gas to internal combustion engines this is not efficient and is a desperate measure rather than anything else. Using a Gas generator to supply gas to a boiler furnace is not direct firing as in a gas producing fire box. Gas generators add weight complexity and inefficiently us the fuel supplied.
Ok, we Will leave it at that. OTL steam tractors were phased out in that period. Here they are not. If Anyone has technological knowhow on how they could improved (the reason is present ITTL), please let us know.
The last British built steam lorries were the Sentinal S6 class built of 1949 for the Rio Turbio coal mine in Santa Cruz Argentina. These lorries were available in 4, 6 and 8 wheel configurations. so for your TL a 'German" engineered coal powered steam lorry for use in regions with available fuel in industries that use coal themselves could be a runner.
Chapter 20: Hitler and Mussolini, the first overtures and the Austrian question.
Chapter 20: Hitler and Mussolini, the first overtures and the Austrian question.
In 1932, the majority of foreign policy had pertained the war reparations, the ensurance that Germany would pay their depts., and the establishment of clearing agreements with Germany’s neighbours. However, While national socialism grew in Germany proper, it followed in close pursuit in Austria were the majority already favored pan-Germanism. In the 1930 election the Nazi party had received 25% of the votes and established a sizeable paramilitary wing of 20000 individuals. Following the Nazi victory in Germany, similar events looked to be possible in the next election, scheduled no later than 1934.
Before that happened, Hitler needed to know the position of Austrias southern neighbor, Italy. While Hitler was adamant that Austria would be included in a future German Reich, concealing aggression for a few more years was even more important. Mussolini greeted Hitler and extended the earlier offer to the Weimar officials, that Germany and Italy were natural allies in opposition to France. Hitler recalled asking what Mussolini’s opinion was of the public movements to join Germany in Austria? Mussolini had replied that “Austria is our (Italy’s, edit) northern border and it is a peaceful and stable border. I support an independent Austria that can supply that stability”.
Hitler in turn had remarked on the irony that Germany and Italy should be allied and potentially go to war together, while they could not even trust each other to be neighbor’s? Hitler at this time extended his assurance that Germany or a Nazi German Austria would have no claims on Italian land.
Returning to the subject of eventual alliance against France and presumably Britain Hitler declared that a confrontation was to be avoided against these two great powers as Germany needed to complete rearmament before it could be risked. Instead Hitler offered to support Italy if it should decide to claim other rights for the Italian people, but then Italy must also trust Germany”
The meeting would provide no other conclusions, but Hitler would encourage Mussolini in his aspiration on land in Dalmatia, Albania and Abyssinia and Hitler while Hitler on the other hand would support the paramilitary wing of the Austrian NSDAP, provided they would not engage in radical acts until agreed with the German sister party. It seems true that Hitler already in 1932 planned for a “fait accompli” at a time of Italian dependence on Germany.
In 1932, the majority of foreign policy had pertained the war reparations, the ensurance that Germany would pay their depts., and the establishment of clearing agreements with Germany’s neighbours. However, While national socialism grew in Germany proper, it followed in close pursuit in Austria were the majority already favored pan-Germanism. In the 1930 election the Nazi party had received 25% of the votes and established a sizeable paramilitary wing of 20000 individuals. Following the Nazi victory in Germany, similar events looked to be possible in the next election, scheduled no later than 1934.
Before that happened, Hitler needed to know the position of Austrias southern neighbor, Italy. While Hitler was adamant that Austria would be included in a future German Reich, concealing aggression for a few more years was even more important. Mussolini greeted Hitler and extended the earlier offer to the Weimar officials, that Germany and Italy were natural allies in opposition to France. Hitler recalled asking what Mussolini’s opinion was of the public movements to join Germany in Austria? Mussolini had replied that “Austria is our (Italy’s, edit) northern border and it is a peaceful and stable border. I support an independent Austria that can supply that stability”.
Hitler in turn had remarked on the irony that Germany and Italy should be allied and potentially go to war together, while they could not even trust each other to be neighbor’s? Hitler at this time extended his assurance that Germany or a Nazi German Austria would have no claims on Italian land.
Returning to the subject of eventual alliance against France and presumably Britain Hitler declared that a confrontation was to be avoided against these two great powers as Germany needed to complete rearmament before it could be risked. Instead Hitler offered to support Italy if it should decide to claim other rights for the Italian people, but then Italy must also trust Germany”
The meeting would provide no other conclusions, but Hitler would encourage Mussolini in his aspiration on land in Dalmatia, Albania and Abyssinia and Hitler while Hitler on the other hand would support the paramilitary wing of the Austrian NSDAP, provided they would not engage in radical acts until agreed with the German sister party. It seems true that Hitler already in 1932 planned for a “fait accompli” at a time of Italian dependence on Germany.