Kitiem3000
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This is a very interesting POD. It's well written, although I would have to continue reading if for no other reason then to see why The Netherlands is still called Batavia. I'm curious to see where it will go.
The WAS under Henry is highly unlikely to have occurred as in OTL.. This is lazy research...
It was a product of Frederick's ambition and his more impetuous personality that he acted as pre-emptively and Machiavellian fashion, as he did. Henry is NOT Frederick AND he is ONLY 14.
Considering that the Austro-Prussian conflict was not 1 but two separate Silesian Wars. A result that mirrors ours, while a statistical probability... would be EXTREMELY LOW to near impossible.
Given Henry's youth His government ministers would have had more influence on the conduct of said war, at least initially. The approach is more likely to have been more cautious and diplomatic.
that doesn't mean though that Saxony and Bavaria, egged on by the Hapsburgs French foes might not have acted on their own, to which Prussia joined subsequently...
The Austrians though may have beaten the Bavarians and Saxon...as they did OTL, giving the Prussians pause.
Its far more likely there is a partition in lower Silesia, to keep the Prussians out of the fray and mitigate any of the perceived slights for Julich and Berg
It's an interesting idea, but it seems like Henry is essentially Frederick but better. He does better in the 7 Years War, he still seizes Silesia, he promotes federalism in a pumpernickel principality (which works)...
Okay, thanks. Maybe I could revise that. From what I read, Henry in some ways was Frederick-but-better. The idea of the timeline, the whole point, is that certain Enlightenment ideas and developments occur somewhat earlier, of on a larger scale. Seemed to me that getting Frederick to play a role in America, and Henry on the Prussian throne, was a fun way of working that idea out. Perhaps it's too forced.
On the plus side, I'll try to keep things balanced/realistic. What goes up must come down - so Henry and Prussia are on the rise now, but that might just mean more of a crash later.
P.S. I love the phrase "pumpernickel principality".![]()
too forced.......I never laughed so hard in my life.....
this is one of the biggest loads of unsubstantiated B.C...since the last lot that got banned....and we won't mention their names.
You portrayed Henry as Frederick on steroids....and it plainly wasn't the case.
OTL, Henry had the life experiences of both his elder brothers along with the Generals in the field to shape his military experience. You simply don't have that here...so he cannot be the same person...much less the prescient superman you are portraying him as...
Okay, first of all - perhaps you might attempt to be a little more polite. I like and value constructive criticism as much as any writer, but there's no need to be uncivil about it.
That said, you bring two actual points of criticism. One concerns my failure to go into the War of the Austrian Succession / Silesian Wars. You mentioned it before, I admitted I could do better there, I intend to revise it.
The other point, however, I must object to. You say:
and:
But let's take a look at Henry as he was IOTL:
By all accounts, Henry was extremely talented. Depending on your interpretation, more talented than Frederick. I absolutely believe he had the talents and the interests to be the man I'm portraying him to be. So no, while you are right in urging that I look more closely at the WAS, your criticism of Henry's abilities is ultimately invalid.
- During the Silesian Wars, at the start of which Henry was, yes, 14, he served as a colonel. By all accounts, he took his duties seriously, and was very capable.
- During the Seven Years’ War, Henry was a general. He never lost one battle, and actually proved to be more insightful than Frederick on multiple occasions. Notably, he counceled Frederick not to be overconfident in the battle of Kunersdorf. Frederick, who believed he’d already won, completely ignored this—and his army was almost completely destroyed, in one of his most shameful defeats. Prussia was for a time defenseless, and only the fact that Austria and Russia overestimated Frederick’s ability to defend himself saved him from being utterly crushed. It was Henry, not Frederick (who’d descended into depression), who reorganized the Prussian forces, and later led them to repeated victory against the army that had crushed Frederick.
- Henry was interested in philosophy his entire life, perhaps more so than Frederick. Unlike his brother, who was more interested in issues of morality & the such, Henry actually wanted to employ philosophical ideas to the good governance of a state. This is reflected in sound and thoughtful the advice on statsmanship he gave to his nephew, Frederick William II of Prussia, near the end of his own life.
I'm not sure but wouldn't Prussia end up governed by a Regency for a number of years first. A fact that would preclude an offensive and pre-emptive move on the part of Prussia as what in OTL gave Frederick the upper hand during the First Silesian War. Regency's are by nature conservative and frought with conflicting factions at times on how best to preserve their charge's inheritance until he comes of age to dispense his own responsibilities.
but as I said, that does not mean the Charles Albert or the Saxon Elector will be similiarly restrained and that supported by the French, a WAS would not occur. Only that Prussian action in TTL would likely not kick things off with an unprovoked and undeclared invasion.
Frederick William may conclude his alliance in 1739 with Louis VX upon the French divulgence of Charles VI's prevarication over Julich-Berg and their own promise of Berg for his troubles should he join them in a war against the Austrians. I don't believe that even Frederick William ever seriously considered Silesia itself as a potential prize. Frederick William is well aware that his ancestors had signed away their rights there for a cash settlement previously. Its also though not certain how strong a case the Hohenzollern could make for a piece of Julich-Berg, since the Treaty of Xanten definitively divided the inheritance earlier between Prussia and Palatinate-Neuberg, superceding the co-dominion status that had held previously. With the looming extinction though of the Palatinate-Neuberg line (1742) there is a less risky option for Prussia to pursue should they like with more limited objectives admittedly. A policy that would be in line with Frederick William's 1730's political objectives of containing the influence of both the Wettin's and the Wittlesbach in the North of the empire, and advancing their own. With Maria Theresa and Francis Stephen already occupied, a fait-accompli with or without their blessing could be achieved rather quickly and painlessly.
What's with the Confederacy of Southern America you keep on bringing up?