The Leaves of Autumn Question Thread

Ok I'm debating on doing a time jump based on The Battle of Savannah. I'm thinking of having World War One happen in the 1870s and going to the lead up of that war.

He is some of the major changes I'm looking at.

The Napoleonic Wars end after the end of the Ulm Campaign. Nappy dies after he wins Ulm but the Austrians are still force to make peace. Talleyrand is able to take control and able to work out a peace that everyone can live with. Would this have to include the return of the monarchy in France? What territorial changes would happen in this?

Because of the Battle of Savannah the US ends up being a member of the Second and Third Coalitions. They never deploy troops to Europe and focus more on North American gains. Would it be possible for the US to gain West Florida Louisiana Territory, Texas, Nuevo Mexico, and what would be the nation of the Rio Grande as per this map?

I figure there will be no Pax Britannica, but the British will be in a stronger position, but the French aren't totally destroyed as a counter part either.

In the 1820s I figure the French fall into revolution once again. The US tries to stay out but they get into a war with the British and become de facto allies with the French this time around. I figure this war (global) will last 5 to 6 years of on an off fighting till once again that bastard Talleyrand is able to create a peace that is livable. I figure the French will once again come out on top again. What will the territorial changes be this time around? I'm looking for Prussia to make gains again as well. In the US-British War I'm looking for the US to take Upper Canada and all of the Oregon County.

Then in the 1840s the US and Spain go at it over East Florida. The US whips Spain in a two year war that is more or less the ITL Mexican-American War, i.e the starting blocks to the Civil War. The US gets East Florida, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo.

In the 1840s in Europe is once more in revolution(one the reasons the US decides to go after Spain). I don't know who starts it. But I'm looking for Russia, France, and Prussia to come out on top, would this be possible? I'm also looking for an end to the Austrian Empire. This time no Compromise of 1867 will happen in Hungary becomes its own nation. Again how likely is this? If possible who gains what?

In 1850s you still get the Crimean War. The British pick up Russian America in the peace, but other than that its largely the same.

In the 1860s the US dives into Civil War. However ITL the Upper South stays with the Union. (Virginia, North Carlonia, and Tennessee.) However the ITL CSA picks up Rio Grande and the US Caribbean States of Cuba, Pureto Rico, and Santo Domingo. What is Nuevo Mexico is claimed by the CSA ITL but loyal to the Union. Its a three to four year war but the Union wins and the US stays together.

However the British who have never been the unquestioned world power was helping the CSA where possible. They also have when into Mexico like the French did OTL, but unlike the French they set up a puppet government in Mexico. They are also fucking around in China with the help of the French and Italy (Possible giving POD and butterflies ITL.)

Now comes the First of Three World Wars ITL. The US is pissed as the British for breaking the Monroe Doctrine during the Civil War along with helping the CSA ITL. Prussia which has large Polish and Czech minorities is looking to unite the Germanies into one nation. With no Austrian Empire Prussia is the only nation able to pull it off. The British are looking to knock the French down a peg or two. France is looking for more territorial gains in Europe and overseas. Russia wants to the straits from the Ottomans. The French don't want the Russians in what they view as their lake. Italy is a wild card and selling her services to the highest bidder. Then you have all your minor powers such as Spain, Switzerland Netherlands, Sweden, and so on with their goals.

I'm looking at the alliances breaking down to the US, France, minor German states, the Ottoman Empire, Portugal(Dump the British in the 1820s), and other minor states against the British Empire, Prussia, Russia, and other minor states with Italy waiting to see who they can get the best deal from.

Thoughts?
 
I think Talleyrand is still on the outs with Fouche in this period, and taking over with the head of the Police opposed is something that would be hard. I don't know who'd take over but I'd wager on a general or marshal rather than Talleyrand ending up on top, I don't think Nappy really had a clear system of succession
 
I know too little about pre-Great War Germany for my own good.

However, I will say that the likelihood of any Prussian-Russian alliance is null.
 
I think Talleyrand is still on the outs with Fouche in this period, and taking over with the head of the Police opposed is something that would be hard. I don't know who'd take over but I'd wager on a general or marshal rather than Talleyrand ending up on top, I don't think Nappy really had a clear system of succession

I'm trying to get a peace that would last for 20 years or with France coming out in a better position than having forced Europe in four more Coalitions Wars. I'm workable on the details.
 
Speaking of Italy and A-h, well there are a couple of possibility:

- worse 1848 for A-H, probably due to a no or delayed intervention of the Russian, Hungary become his own nation, Germany and Italy probably unify almost 20 years earlier (Italy probably in a more federal/confederal fashion in this case)...ok this is a classic.

- Better performance for Italy in the Third Italian war of independence, maybe due to Cavour remaining alive (it's death in OTL was much depended on a little of bad luck), in this case between a major defeat, Italy grabbing more, Bismarck being in more difficulty to refrain his king to demand Austrian land can transform the compromise on 1867 in serious trouble.
 
I'm trying to get a peace that would last for 20 years or with France coming out in a better position than having forced Europe in four more Coalitions Wars. I'm workable on the details.
Maybe just have Nappy injured, enough to make any further campaigning by him unlikely and to give him a "thou art mortal" moment. He still manages to hold onto what he gained but doesn't subjugate Prussia, doesn't meddle in Iberia, and makes another Amiens like peace eventually, that everyone figures is going to be temporary, but are exhausted enough that it lasts
 
Speaking of Italy and A-h, well there are a couple of possibility:

- worse 1848 for A-H, probably due to a no or delayed intervention of the Russian, Hungary become his own nation, Germany and Italy probably unify almost 20 years earlier (Italy probably in a more federal/confederal fashion in this case)...ok this is a classic.

- Better performance for Italy in the Third Italian war of independence, maybe due to Cavour remaining alive (it's death in OTL was much depended on a little of bad luck), in this case between a major defeat, Italy grabbing more, Bismarck being in more difficulty to refrain his king to demand Austrian land can transform the compromise on 1867 in serious trouble.
Well Austria takes losses at the end of the War of Third Coalition. Not sure how badly but Austria still comes out on near the bottom but above Spain. Still trying to figure out how that will work out.
 
RUssia would be more likely due to Prussia wanting dominance in Germany.

But even then Russia would have to realise that a divided Germany between Austria-Hungary and Prussia is more in their interests...
There will never be an Austria-Hungary ITL. The Austrian Empire is going bite the dust in the 1840s in those series of wars. Basically I was thinking of Prussia, Italy, and Russia tag teaming Austria after a series of fuck ups on Austria's part. The Prussians take Bohemia, Moravia, and Silesia. The Russians take Galicia and the parts of Austria took in the Third Partition as well. Maybe some parts go to Prussia. Italy takes some parts as well.

France by the time of the First World War will most likely be on the right bank of the Rhine:eek: in this TL. Along with gains made against the Spanish, Italians, and possibly the Netherlands. Russia would believe a strong unite Germany under Prussian rule could serve as a damn good buffer between Russia and France.
 
Ok I been thinking about this and the Territorial Evolution of France and would like some Feed Back.

At the end of the War of the Third Coalition, Nappy has a "thou art mortal" moment and is unable to campaign any more do to injuries he took in the closing days of the Ulm Campaign.

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Using this map as a base line for what he had at the start of The War of the Third Coalition I think he would only go for mild territorial gains as France already had a big meal and he is hoping to get a lasting peace. With everyone tired and unknown he can't campaign anymore it works. But I really don't know what a mild peace would be territorial wise for France, so I would like some feed back.

Then in 1824 comes and Napoleon dies. He had been reforming France and made it one of the leaders of the Industrial Revolution. This leads to the rise of Napoléon Charles Bonaparte who ITL doesn't die in 1807 but lives to be a healthy man with a sound mind by 1824 and he becomes the Emperor of France. However the French puppets are sick of living under the thumbs of Paris and rebel. The Austrians, Prussians, Russians, and British all see this to finsh what was started in 1792 and return the house of Bourbon back to power and knock France down a peg or two. Through NCB is a sound leader, he isn't the military leader his uncle was and knows it. He hands the war off to Nappy's Marshals who win the war.

By the time the war ends in 1831 the political set up in Europe has changed again. NCB agrees to give up his puppet states to help bring peace to Europe but France still gains. He doesn't bring France to the highest point of Napoleon of OTL but he does enlarge France once again. I'm think Valais, Catalonia, Province of Turin, the Aosta Valley, Andorra, and Basel-Stadt. Is this reasonable?

Then the whole revolution of 1848 starts earlier than OTL. France is more stable to NCB still playing on Nappy's reforms and improving them. I thinking Italy will unite under one king around this time with Austria biting the dust. Here is where things start to get tricky. I think NCB will push for territorial on the right bank of Rhine and more ports on the channel. I thinking Sardinia along with territory on the Right bank of the Rhine.

Thoughts?
 
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