The Last Ship (TNT Series)

Just caught up. I'm liking it but one thing I'm not getting is why is the Nathan James the only ship? Why did they build a brand new fleet when there must be dozens of USN ships still afloat. The virus didn't sink them that's for sure.
I figured it was just the first five of the various neglected USN ships from before the Red Plague that they refurbished back up to operational spec. And after three years plus however long it has been since the season two arc was resolved, even allowing for setbacks and damages during the franchised dictatorship period, it ought to be an order of magnitude more--two or three dozen at least and that's being generous.

Yeah, the USA has a tenth its old population or so; that's still more than half the current population of California. It ought to be plenty to have a 25 ship fleet on each ocean I would think, considering they have zero construction to do and the ships were generally not subject to active wear and tear, just neglect. I can see it being a low political priority, maybe, except that every season is about some severe military threat to the USA--usually the military aspect is secondary but from day one of the first series it was established, where general chaos rips open doors, bad guys will poke their noses in through the gaps, and you have to be armed and organized to subdue them. It would simply be idiotic for the post-franchise-coup/traitors allied to China regime to put the military so far back on the back burner as to have only five ships, and those all grouped at one port. If you only have five ships put them in five different ports for Crum's sake!
Also, I knew several years have passed the the pandemic but there is no way the world would have recovered to such levels after a mass die off like that. 5 billion people died.

Only 5 billion? That still leaves 2 billion although I suppose a lot of them might have died off post-Red, of hunger, neglect while off on a Red Rust memory trip, mutual violence, whatever.

Make no mistake it is a decimated, empty and haunted world. But not The Stand level emptied!

As I said before, the industrial productivity of the world is lamed, and maybe certain levels of industry such as shipbuilding are quite at a standstill...but there are lots of "abandoned" ghost ships drifting around for the first gang of pirates with a power boat to come up to and steal, then after several years of fighting among each other and depleting ammo and other key supplies some warlord gets their act together and starts swallowing up the bits and pieces, bribing some, seizing from others and killing them off, and behold some large percentage of the tonnage from before the Red Plague is back in commission, more or less. Warships can last generations with decent attempts at maintenance.
 
I have a bad feeling about the army general.

I'm pretty sure we are meant to; the question is whether it is a mislead or not.

And along similar lines...what about Senora Tavo? Anyone else get the sense that her frequent Madonna-like (in the old reverent sense, not the modern singer sense:p)appearances at Tavo's side foreshadow some deep and shocking reveals about her role in all this, that Grand Leader Tavo is in fact some sort of puppet of hers?

Especially in the context of this week's episode, in which Granderson's lover turns out to be a True Believer agent? Why should any Gringos be inspired by Tavo? But perhaps there are deeper forces at work, and the whole EUGC is just a mask for something more radical? Something that might not even be centered in South America?

Not that I have any plausible suspects. One reason the series is ending with this season is that it has pretty much boxed the compass; we've had seasons centered on the Atlantic world (that is USA plus Europe), East Asia, the Med, North Africa and Middle East...checking South America off leaves only Central Asia and the greater Australia area out...in fact the China season had an Aussie character, so that's sort of covered too. The Russian Admiral in the first season pretty much covers central Asia too.

Of course every season also has an element of domestic US subversion going on as well, remembering Peter Weller's character last season was a Yankee, even that one did.

Anyway, watch Senora Tavo! She'll turn out to be crucial somehow.

An Iowa??????? Talk about jumping the shark!!!!

An Iowa? WTF did they get one of those?
Yes, I was going to ask anyone with USN service under their belts following this...if bridge crew uses the term "Iowa Class," are they using a terminology which describes foreign designed and built ships of roughly comparable capability and size by equivalence to the nearest American type? I doubt this very much! They might say Iowa-equivalent or "comparable to an Iowa," but I think if a foreign class existed it would have its own name--they didn't describe Russian or Greek ships, or British subs, in American equivalent terms, they identified these by classes specific to the foreign navy and it seemed every officer and many an enlisted swabby was expected to have presumably hundreds of such foreign types on the tips of their tongues. If Navy crew share the same enthusiasm I do for say airplane types it would not be hard for them to master such encyclopedic knowledge and I dare say the ones who don't have a nerdy enthusiasm for the topic just out of sheer geekiness have a similar keen interest instilled by situational awareness. These are the ships that might be blowing you to bits or trapping you in a sinking hull in Davy Jones's Locker, so yeah, the crews know these ship types the way most people know car models or football teams.

So--assuming the show is striving for a bit of technical accuracy--in my ignorance I have always felt it strove for and managed to portray the look and feel of life on a real Navy ship, veterans feel free to poke fun at the idea for my embarrassment but also amusement--if someone else in the world had made a WWII era battleship comparable design, it would have some NATO reporting code or simply be known by whatever class its makers called it.

How strong then is my inference that when they say Iowa class, they mean Iowa class--one of the ships we whipped up in WWII to be the last word in super-battleships, made in an American shipyard?

Now a lot of Third World navies and even First World have acquired old US products, but offhand I am not aware of us ever raffling off a battleship. Not even say to the Shah of Iran or any other such darling of Cold War policy. For one thing the whole class is deemed obsolete in modern warfare; mavericks may say otherwise and I guess the author of the book this series spins off of was one of those battlewagon bugs. Certainly it wasn't really obsolete even at the end of WWII; admirals would put their flags on these rather than say a carrier--carriers have "glass jaws;" if the enemy can get through the gauntlet of defenses surrounding one it doesn't take a lot of battle damage to take it out of commission as operational and a heavy strike stands a good chance of blowing it up and sending it straight down, due to all the aviation fuel and munitions stored aboard; also Americans went for light weight design for speed and maximum air group striking power, versus the British philosophy of armoring theirs better since they anticipated operations in range of peer power land based air power. The American philosophy was to strike firstest with the mostest so there would be no enemies in striking range to strike back. And partial damage to a deck is enough to block any planes from landing, so until deck damage is fixed, which can take weeks, the carrier might be floating with all its munitions and fuel and most planes, but it can't really fight. Which is why carriers fight in pairs within a task force. Battlewagons on the other hand are built to take massive firepower punishment and keep floating, so while as a primary striking unit the battleship is no longer the most powerful, it remains durable and hard to sink. The Bikini A-Bomb tests were commissioned by the USN, which wanted to prove their ships were not obsolete in the face of A-bomb strikes by proving they could take the punishment, due to all the armor added onto the conventional classes against piecemeal air strikes, which the admirals reasoned meant they could take a lot of blast overpressure. (Turned out they largely could, but the radioactive water washed over the desks by the shallow water Baker shot drenched them in enough fallout to kill hypothetical damage control teams, so the ships would sink anyway due to no one being able to fix them up. The Navy did not even bother with the deep water Charlie shot, which was cancelled).

So far from being totally obsolete, a battleship has its place in a global war, or in a "peace keeping police action" such as in Lebanon. Not a place that has been taken to justify making modern versions of the class, but enough that what few battlewagons we have left are treasured as assets (or dismissed and scrapped, not sold off to reward loyal client states.

I infer no Iowas have ever been put up as a gift or sales opportunity, no matter how much certain US clients might love to have one. Also they are expensive to operate.

Now since as far as I know the Iowa herself was the last of her class to be kept out of mothballs (or rather, taken out of mothballs after being in them some decades and I don't think we ever deployed more than two or three since, and might have even given up on the experiment and re-mothballed the few we had left, it would be pretty ASB for one to have been roaming the sea lanes when its crew got Red Plague and bought it, leaving the ship adrift. A cruiser, even an advanced missile cruiser, I would believe. But a freaking WWII battleship? What is it doing outside of storage or as a museum?

And yet...how else does Tavo have even one? The only plausible way to get it (unless someone is ready to hand with a net posting about some hulls I am unaware of having been sold off despite my presumption that no, the USA would never sell one since it is an attribute of a first class Navy and we want no rivals or even loyal clients to have one) would be if one or more were put back in service by GW Bush and left there by Obama. Then just as I said last week, it goes AWOL due to the plague, and someone with a motorboat climbed aboard and salvaged it.

Again you'd think even so, with the transaction unknown to the Navy at the time, some satellite in the past decade or so since the Red Plague would have noticed it in port somewhere presumably in South America.

Does everyone at least agree that this is an American made Iowa, accept no substitutions?

Did I in fact call it when I said a good portion of the USN fleet has been salvaged and appropriated by lots of other nations?

They still should not have been blindsided!
Now, did Commander Granderson buy the farm? Looks like it.
It looks almost incontrovertibly like it. I kept hoping the genius ensign's second call was to the admiral in charge and put in motion a SWAT team to her home so that next week we see the cops pouring in just one minute after the spy girl vacates the premises, and they manage to revive her. But no, he was trying to reach her on her landline instead. That was a nasty wound and her eyes are shown open and unblinking. She sure looks like a goner to me and I am quite angry at how many beloved characters this show kills off. Especially eating them up like candy this season. I really loved the blonde engineer and the doctor, and they are blown away first episode. Now this.

We can still hold out hope, but she is clearly not breathing and liable to be brain dead, or anyway badly damaged; saving her functionally seems out the window.

Anyone think the show will kill off absolutely everyone before it ends the season, and the last frame will be Chandler dying in the act of finally resolving the current threat?
 
Without spoilers, I think that last episode might be my second favorite of the series, after the oil rig one in S2. I saw a lot of flak on FB at the show runners over the creative direction it took, but I liked it. They set up this season as a "meditation on the cost of war", and I think this episode really did a good job of showing the personal cost of these "heroes", while interspersing the continuing war.

It was a good episode, and for me, this season has been very good.
 
Just caught up. I'm liking it but one thing I'm not getting is why is the Nathan James the only ship? Why did they build a brand new fleet when there must be dozens of USN ships still afloat. The virus didn't sink them that's for sure.

Also, I knew several years have passed the the pandemic but there is no way the world would have recovered to such levels after a mass die off like that. 5 billion people died.
From what I understood, those weren't "new" ships, they were repaired/modernized prior ships that were recommissioned under new names.
 
I thought the arc last year in the Med was pretty hard to follow and had gotten very far from the spirit of the first couple seasons. I'm following through out of momentum, the way I watched the last season or two of the Moore rebooted Battlestar Galactica, only I hoped then they'd pull out of the tailspin and come up with payoff for all that "they have a plan" hoopla they started with. Did not like how that ended. Here it has been off the rails for some time and I wonder how much of the last couple years was in the author's book or books at all.

Anyone familiar with the book?
 
Thoughts now that it's over? There were those who started out who didn't make it to the end, and as in the book, the Nathan James was sunk. I do wish that TNT had renewed the show for another season, but that's the way things went.
 
I was really disappointed at the series end. The battleship was a total improbability/impossibility and should not have been part of the story. So many parts of the final year of the series stretched credibility. It just lost direction and all touch with reality in so many areas. What could have been a good story went down the drain.
 
I still have not watched the final episode. I'm that ambivalent about it. Don't worry you spoiled anything, it was clear from the previews last week the James would not survive. And wasn't that the seasonal pattern anyway? Didn't I predict they'd kill off everyone, with Chandler dying last? I don't suppose it went out quite like that, but whatever.

I loved the first season, felt the second season carried the standard pretty well, and even the third season seemed like it belonged...the last two seasons, bleh. They should have ended it earlier frankly.

I repeat, anyone read the book?
 
Oh, and why the hell did the USA never get around to using nukes for anything? Normally I hate that in story lines, but dang it, enemy ships far out at sea are exactly the kind of targets you can use nukes on. As was that crazy "bridge" in Panama, assuming a thing like that could be built in the first place.

Anyway, however my fee-fees might like it or not (I'm sure I'd feel pretty guilty for uncorking the nuclear genie) I'm pretty sure pragmatically the USA in that situation, particularly against a foe who cannot retaliate in kind, would use at least some nukes on something. Hopefully not blowing up a city (I will confess to some monstrous rage tempting me to fantasize a very small precision aimed nuke just on Tavo's home) but I've mentioned two kinds of legitimate military targets involving essentially no collateral damage.

So I keep harping on the book to see if the author had some kind of excuse for US nukes never coming into play. Clearly the TV show was not going to explain!

An Iowa class battleship? We were owed an explanation but certainly I had a theory how a US capital ship could wind up in Grand Colombian hands; if the USN had been operating an Iowa when the Red Plague broke out we could account for it, but US intelligence would be idiots not to know they had it in advance. Probably we'd be in negotiations to get it back when the balloon went up. So replace it with something operational in the 2010s and I'd believe it. Maybe such a ship would even have nukes on it so we'd have an explanation why those were off the table--policy not to use one first and hope the Colombians didn't. But without that tying our hands, even an Iowa in top condition is not going to survive 100 kT dead on target. Aren't there tactical level missiles even a ship the size of the James could carry and launch?
 
I find the idea of Grand Columbia having an Iowa class Battleship to be total fantasy . As there is no way that they could get their hands on one. Now how would one counter it. In the US there are the four Iowa class Battleships and of them the USS Missouri in in Hawaii as a Museum and the USS New Jersey is doing the same in NJ, There are several Battleships that have not seen service since the 1950s they are USS North Carolina (in North Carolina), USS Massachusetts ( Museum in Fall River,Ma), Uss Alabama ( Museum in Alabama) and the USS Texas ( probably the oldest ship)
 
I find the idea of Grand Columbia having an Iowa class Battleship to be total fantasy . As there is no way that they could get their hands on one. Now how would one counter it. In the US there are the four Iowa class Battleships and of them the USS Missouri in in Hawaii as a Museum and the USS New Jersey is doing the same in NJ, There are several Battleships that have not seen service since the 1950s they are USS North Carolina (in North Carolina), USS Massachusetts ( Museum in Fall River,Ma), Uss Alabama ( Museum in Alabama) and the USS Texas ( probably the oldest ship)
I do know that in the 1980s at least one such class ship, the Iowa herself IIRC, was taken out of mothballs and put to use shelling Lebanon. How long did that last? I believe there was an accident with a misfire that blasted a gun turret interior at some point.

So anyway given one Iowa was in service again long after WWII but long before the 2010s era in which the Red Plague broke out, anyone here know when the last one was again taken out of service? When exactly is the last time an Iowa was under steam and operatonal? I'm guessing long before the time frame of TLS season 1!

But if not, if even just one was in service and out of port when the plague assaulted its crew, there's the means. I doubt it would have been possible but until someone weighs in with positive knowledge we can't rule it out.

But once some sort of central government was restored in the USA, they'd find out what became of it fast and at least know it was in Tavo's inventory, and know where it was until the satellites were brought down.
 
When the Iowa class Battleships were put back into service during the Reagan Administration they had to get volunteers who served aboard the battleships when they were last in service as it took a lot of special knowledge to operate the ships. Thus it is extremely doubtful that anyone in Tavo's Navy would know how to operate the ships.
 
The Iowas were a total killer for me. How in the hell did the bad guys find one, get it into service, man it and get it into service? They jumped the shark.
 
Given one existed to steal (cruising around and derelict I mean, in operational condition) I don't see why several years of practice would not get a cadre of Gran Colombians up to speed on how to operate it.

The tricky bit is explaining what one is doing in operational condition on the high seas, not in mothballs. In the 1980s it would not be too incredible.

And explaining why the USA never got around to asking to please have it back, or at least keeping a close watch on it via satellite and everyone in the little rebuilt USN knowing all about it, including where it was when the satellites went down.

Once more....has any fan of this show ever read the book(s)?
 
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