Anyone still interested in this, perchance? I've a hankering for writing more fascist Ireland, if you guys want.
The Last Embers of Daylight: An Irish Timeline
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It's an interesting piece though to be honest I think you had Dev fall apart too easily. Whatever his other flaws he was a man who'd led a government on the run twice before and knew the value of international opinion, not to mention Irish-American opinion (he did raise $5,500,000 in 1921 dollars during his tour of the US after all.)
I understand the good guys have to make mistakes to let the Fascists win but I might have removed Dev outright through health or other reasons (assassination?)
I also think the casualty totals are a bit on the high side, however brutal the fighting. Spain, with a population almost ten times the size of Ireland (24 million against 2.9 million) and much more heavy weaponry floating about saw 500,000 or so deaths total over the Civil War. You have 30,000 killed in a four month period! Not to mention the talk of hundreds of thousands being killed during the restructuring. At that rate Ireland would literally run out of people in the early 1950s.
I don't think such a devestating war or regime is impossible but with those kind of numbers O'Duffy is closer to Pol Pot than Franco which makes it a stretch the regime lasted so long. The enormous size of the Irish diaspora, the majority of whom will hate the regime, is another problem - Britain could back a Bay of Pigs style invervention with ease, with a much higher chance of success and no fears of another great power stepping in.
This is going to sound weird but your Fascists might need to be less brutal if they are going to survive.
I understand the good guys have to make mistakes to let the Fascists win but I might have removed Dev outright through health or other reasons (assassination?)
I also think the casualty totals are a bit on the high side, however brutal the fighting. Spain, with a population almost ten times the size of Ireland (24 million against 2.9 million) and much more heavy weaponry floating about saw 500,000 or so deaths total over the Civil War. You have 30,000 killed in a four month period! Not to mention the talk of hundreds of thousands being killed during the restructuring. At that rate Ireland would literally run out of people in the early 1950s.
I don't think such a devestating war or regime is impossible but with those kind of numbers O'Duffy is closer to Pol Pot than Franco which makes it a stretch the regime lasted so long. The enormous size of the Irish diaspora, the majority of whom will hate the regime, is another problem - Britain could back a Bay of Pigs style invervention with ease, with a much higher chance of success and no fears of another great power stepping in.
This is going to sound weird but your Fascists might need to be less brutal if they are going to survive.
(Pokes with special poking stick)
Oi! You! Get writing again! It's too good to be left hanging!
Well, with all the positive response, I'll start working on an update! I should have it done by the end of the week.
You make some good points. I think I might have let my rather strong dislike for Dev show through in this one, but can't go back now. As for the deaths, you're quite right. In terms of brutality, this war is extremely damaging to Ireland. However, as to the hundreds of thousands killed in restructuring, that's going to happen in the late '50s and '60s rather than immediately after the war. O'Duffy is going to be rather mild compared to those that come after. You're quite correct though that the fascists are going to be more like the Khmer Rouge than the Falange in terms of percentage of population killed. This will play a large part in the increasing poverty of the country. Think Great Leap Forward China writ small. Most of the deaths later on will be under wraps, which will preempt any kind of intervention, but I do see your point.
Hmm. May need to rethink a few things.
You make some good points. I think I might have let my rather strong dislike for Dev show through in this one, but can't go back now. As for the deaths, you're quite right. In terms of brutality, this war is extremely damaging to Ireland. However, as to the hundreds of thousands killed in restructuring, that's going to happen in the late '50s and '60s rather than immediately after the war. O'Duffy is going to be rather mild compared to those that come after. You're quite correct though that the fascists are going to be more like the Khmer Rouge than the Falange in terms of percentage of population killed. This will play a large part in the increasing poverty of the country. Think Great Leap Forward China writ small. Most of the deaths later on will be under wraps, which will preempt any kind of intervention, but I do see your point.
Hmm. May need to rethink a few things.