The Kaiserreich vs. the Ottoman Empire

If the Central Powers win WWI, is it possible Germany and Austria would end up in a rivalry with the Ottoman Empire?

If the Ottomans win, the Empire will remain intact and probably retain control over the Arab lands--that have got lots of oil. Oil revenue will make the Ottomans rich.

If the Ottomans dramatically revive and, feeling powerful, try to reassert themselves in the Balkans, could this lead to a breach with their wartime allies? It hasn't been that long since the Balkan Wars and the Russo-Turkish War.
 
Almost certainly any expansionist tendencies will be diverted towards Russia / USSR.

Oil will be developed via German companies (much as Shell / BP etc did in out timeline)

Expect Turkey to become pretty much what it is now for Germany, useful source of cheap guest worker labour and investment in low cost manufacturing.
 
Almost certainly any expansionist tendencies will be diverted towards Russia / USSR.

Ottoman or German?

The Ottomans picking fights with Russia is going to be difficult due to geography.

Plus the Balkan Wars were a decade before--close enough that people may want revenge.
 
Ottoman or German?

The Ottomans picking fights with Russia is going to be difficult due to geography.

Plus the Balkan Wars were a decade before--close enough that people may want revenge.

Both (Germans using Ottomans as proxy). Remember that Ukrainian / Baltic german puppets will weaken the Russians considerably even if the Germans didn't intervene successfully in Russian Civil War. I'd expect Turkey to be able to occupy Baku during the civil war and with German assistance to hold (for the same reasons as you say their expansion would be difficult).

Ottoman goals are much more attainable than German "lebensraum". Balkan wars are still raw nerve for Ottomans but expect Austrian influence to be strong enough to label balkans as "hands off"
 
If the Central Powers win WWI, is it possible Germany and Austria would end up in a rivalry with the Ottoman Empire?

If the Ottomans win, the Empire will remain intact and probably retain control over the Arab lands--that have got lots of oil. Oil revenue will make the Ottomans rich.

If the Ottomans dramatically revive and, feeling powerful, try to reassert themselves in the Balkans, could this lead to a breach with their wartime allies? It hasn't been that long since the Balkan Wars and the Russo-Turkish War.

The Ottomans will have no chance fighting against the combined power of Germany and Austria......But if they sided with the entente....that would be a totally different matter.
 
The Ottomans will have no chance fighting against the combined power of Germany and Austria......But if they sided with the entente....that would be a totally different matter.

With Germany busy garrisoning its puppet states in Eastern Europe and the Ottomans using oil wealth to transform themselves into a very powerful state?

And the Brusilov Offensive reduced Austria to a German appendange for the remainder of the war.
 
Wasn't the Eastern part of the Ottoman Empire bordering the Russian Empire?

Yes, but the Caucasus Mountains are not a pleasant thing to try to fight through.

The Ottomans could cross the Caspian into the Turkic lands, but that's a pretty big bite to take and the Balkan wars are the "raw nerve."
 
Yes, but the Caucasus Mountains are not a pleasant thing to try to fight through.

The Ottomans could cross the Caspian into the Turkic lands, but that's a pretty big bite to take and the Balkan wars are the "raw nerve."

Even in OTL the Ottomans fought and won at Baku before the Armistice was signed.
 
I think is almost imposible unless a mothra size butterfly spread his wing...
Both Nations were/are allies(with germany being the Leading Partner) and even in the war... both keep bulgaria to be the 'policeman of the balkans' with Austria in the Victory plans....

So ottoman will look to try to recover back Egypt and landgrab so much they can of russia before the civil war ends.
 
With Germany busy garrisoning its puppet states in Eastern Europe and the Ottomans using oil wealth to transform themselves into a very powerful state?

And the Brusilov Offensive reduced Austria to a German appendange for the remainder of the war.

Well the premise was that the central powers have just won WWI, so Russia is not a threat, and won't be attacking anybody. Even if Germany has to garrison a couple of States, I am sure they can see fit to send an expeditionary corps to support the Austrians in seizing Constantinople, without too much of a hazzle.
 
Well the premise was that the central powers have just won WWI, so Russia is not a threat, and won't be attacking anybody. Even if Germany has to garrison a couple of States, I am sure they can see fit to send an expeditionary corps to support the Austrians in seizing Constantinople, without too much of a hazzle.

Way to miss the point. Austria-Hungary was viciously mauled by Russia during the war and won't be in any condition to do much even after a CP victory, which would have been largely won by Germany.

And the Allies couldn't take Constantinople (Gallipoli) during the actual war. Why would it be so easy for the Germans, especially if the Ottomans have been cranked on petro-steroids for a few years?
 
First, it will take many years for the Ottoman Empire to modernize, let alone become powerful, based on oil wealth which largely hasn't been discovered yet and won't be for some time.

Second, after the oil is found and developed and even more time passes until the 1940s or later Germany as victor of WWI and ruler of Europe is going to be vastly more powerful than the Ottoman Empire.

Third, Austria-Hungary generally supported keeping the Ottomans stronger as they saw what kept happening when splinter states like Serbia broke away. An attempt to correct the Balkan Wars will not come near Vienna's borders and two of the most likely victims will be Serbia and Greece.

Fourth, why would Germany care if members of the Entente or associates(Romania and Greece, depending on when the war ended) are roughly handled by the Ottomans?

Fifth, given that the Ottomans will need to secure the Arabian Penninsula and possibly garrison some formerly Russian territories it may be quite some time before a new Balkan War can be contemplated and the likelihood of the Ottomans planning an advance to the Danube is very low.
 
Way to miss the point. Austria-Hungary was viciously mauled by Russia during the war and won't be in any condition to do much even after a CP victory, which would have been largely won by Germany.

And the Allies couldn't take Constantinople (Gallipoli) during the actual war. Why would it be so easy for the Germans, especially if the Ottomans have been cranked on petro-steroids for a few years?

Well since they won the War, I guess the Central powers are doing ok ITTL. The allies had to go in from the Sea. The Germans can go by land if they wish to, which makes it a lot easier. The Ottomans fared well in the war, partially due to German support at the higher leadership level, which won't be around this time. Even with oil becoming more important.....this is not like today, with oil being the dominant ressource....and it will take several decades for "The sick man of Europe" = The Ottoman empire, to even have a hope of standing up to Germany......I mean it is a backward feudal country, at war against to major Western powers. IOTL the ottomans couldn't even win against the Greeks.....

So IMHO you are way of ;).
 
I wonder what's going to happen when Abdul finds this thread. :eek:

Also, the Ottomans were beating on the Greeks until the stronger European nations stepped in.
 
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