Land-based air suddenly vanishes, or something?
Best,
I don't know, it was a library book and I was too lazy to renew it. I kinda stopped reading halfway. Probably though. Mr. Conroy sometimes sacrificed facts in order to make a good story.
Land-based air suddenly vanishes, or something?
Best,
Well, according to Robert Conroy, I know, I know, but hear me out...
Having a civil war of some sort in the thirties is the only way I see.
I know that as things stood by the 1930s, the war was lost for the Japanese. There is no way they could have ever won that war. Even if by some miracle for them, even if they won the battle of Midway and Coral Sea and totally destroyed the American ships, they would still lose the war.
So, what would have to change to make them a much more powerful nation that could sustain a war against the US as equals.
A thought just occurred to me. They had invaded China in the 20s and had annexed Korea in 1910, what if those occupations were good. What if, instead of acting like brutal cruel occupiers, their occupation forces were good and just, really acted like Liberators to free them from the corrupt west and the two nations decided to act together as one when war came
as inconceivable as that all is, but it is considered one of histories lost opportunities.
I don't know, it was a library book and I was too lazy to renew it. I kinda stopped reading halfway. Probably though. Mr. Conroy sometimes sacrificed facts in order to make a good story.
A Civil War when?If the United States implodes b/c a civil war (which is possible), they can't stop Japan from taking the Pacific islands including Alaska. MAYBE they could take over cities on the west coast (San Fransisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Portland, ect) depending on how bad the civil war is. If they advance any further the factions would likely unite to push them out.
A Civil War when?
Even if the ACW had resulted in a Confederate victory (near ASB in itself) the result would have been TWO massively armed states glowering at each other while in intense competition, with the USA expanding to both coasts (California was already a state) and the CSA likely expanding into Mexico and the Caribbean.
The only way this scenario works, without a POD that makes the very existence of the U.S. unlikely, is if you have a series of geologic disasters occurring simultaneously (massive quakes on the full length of the Aleutian Megathrust, San Andreas fault, Cascadia subduction zone, New Madrid Fault system, along with a major eruption out of the Yellowstone mega volcano or a La Palma collapse) that devastates North America. Of course, since several of those events would also cause massive damage IN JAPAN due to huge tsunamis generated by the quakes (especially the Cascadia) that probably makes the issue moot.
A Civil War when?
Even if the ACW had resulted in a Confederate victory (near ASB in itself) the result would have been TWO massively armed states glowering at each other while in intense competition, with the USA expanding to both coasts (California was already a state) and the CSA likely expanding into Mexico and the Caribbean.
The only way this scenario works, without a POD that makes the very existence of the U.S. unlikely, is if you have a series of geologic disasters occurring simultaneously (massive quakes on the full length of the Aleutian Megathrust, San Andreas fault, Cascadia subduction zone, New Madrid Fault system, along with a major eruption out of the Yellowstone mega volcano or a La Palma collapse) that devastates North America. Of course, since several of those events would also cause massive damage IN JAPAN due to huge tsunamis generated by the quakes (especially the Cascadia) that probably makes the issue moot.
No, in the 1930s. If you have a worse Great Depression, more do nothing (or do bad) conservatives in office, and certinly no FDR. It's very possible for a civil war to break out with a good catalyst, like a hung electoral collage between right and left wing radicals.
You need a much, MUCH different U.S. political scene, dating back decades, possibly a century. There was never a serious concern about even an insurrection (excluding the rather asinine Business Plot which was, to all appearances more a pie-in-the-sky idea floated by a couple multimillionaires than anything of actual substance). Rather like the scenario in the UK during the 1930s there was simply no underlying political situation that would provide a base for a serious revolution/civil war.
Unless we're in the ASB forum, you pretty much would need a complete collapse of the United States - civil war, anarchy, whatever it takes to completely eliminate any ability at significant armed resistance.
I mean totally winning. When I was young, I saw a show on TV about an alternate history where the the US suffered a string of total defeats during world war two and only fought the Japanese off on the shores of California and Los Angeles. The Japanese were stopped there. The Show centered around a few people trying to reset the time line. But that show stuck with me and I keep wondering how that would be possible.
What would have to change to give the Japanese that kind of power where they destroy the US naval fleet instead of the other way around.
Then have the capacity to carry a massive number of troops across the pacific to land them in Los Angeles.
What would have to change and where. I know the PODs may have to go way back, maybe even during the Japanese Civil War that disposed the Tokagawa Shogunate and place the Emperor back in power
I hope you all dont think this is a stupid question, maybe it is
Didn't we have a TL about a 1930s civil war a few years back?
I know that as things stood by the 1930s, the war was lost for the Japanese. There is no way they could have ever won that war. Even if by some miracle for them, even if they won the battle of Midway and Coral Sea and totally destroyed the American ships, they would still lose the war.
So, what would have to change to make them a much more powerful nation that could sustain a war against the US as equals.
A thought just occurred to me. They had invaded China in the 20s and had annexed Korea in 1910, what if those occupations were good. What if, instead of acting like brutal cruel occupiers, their occupation forces were good and just, really acted like Liberators to free them from the corrupt west and the two nations decided to act together as one when war came
as inconceivable as that all is, but it is considered one of histories lost opportunities.
Talking about a Japanese invasion one factor needs to be considered. Namely, the Germans and Italians are also part of the alliance. They're aid might not mean a victory but might complicate things for the Allies. Possible examples: A more successful operation Pastorius. German U-Boats shelling offshore oil wells or shelling refineries on the Gulf Coast, or even a few commando raids by submarine by the Germans in conjunction with any Japanese attempt.
In fact, that is an interesting option now that I think of it. We've talked a lot about an outright invasion. What about raids with small squads along the West Coast to induce panic?
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