Well, there are few civilizations as crazy as the Aztecs. I'm rooting for Purépecha.And so sunset approaches...
May what follows be better than before for the region, because at least they did miss the bigger civilizational bullet!
oh god oh fuck its happening againThe Triple Alliance was no more, and from that moment on Tenochtitlan was under siege.
I just want Tenochtitlan to live, damnit, the city is to beautiful to get leveled like otl.Well, there are few civilizations as crazy as the Aztecs. I'm rooting for Purépecha.
Yeah, I'm hoping the Plains Indians do that in this timeline. In our world the whole mounted nomad thing came a bit too late for North America since it happened the same time as the introduction of guns, and guns were the reason the age of the steppe nomads ended in Central Asia. You can't build cannons and breechloaders on the steppes, after all. Jezails (homemade guns) like in Afghanistan might be doable but would probably need to wait for more familiarity with guns and gunpowder. It's too bad about the steppe nomad thing dying before being fully born in the Americas, though, since we could have had crazy stuff like the Navajo forcing tribute from the early US in an echo of stuff like the Uyghur khaganate shaking down the Tang Dynasty.Other than that it seems that the Purépecha started to try to imitate Spanish metallurgy, while inferior at the moment and probably for the next century (this type of metallurgy, armour, was something that Europe was very good at, being much better than in the Islamic world. It is something very advanced). It's a way in the right direction, if they can make metal armor (even if it's bad) it'll be better than anything else in the region. Making the nation's soldiers basically tanks, in addition we have the adoption of horses in the armed force in Mesoamerica (well although it seems the Aztecs are not very good at this, it makes sense they are new to the subject).
Maybe another civilization can use them better, probably a steppe people.
It will be ironic for the Aztec Empire to be saved by the Spaniards. The Conquistadores protectores of Tenochtitlan. I'm honestly thinking that next chapters we're going to have the Spanish entering the war to protect their trading partner.I just want Tenochtitlan to live, damnit, the city is to beautiful to get leveled like otl.
I'm advertising for a Comanche khaganate in the American steppes. While the Comanches are going to cause destruction by being the Comanches it would be very interesting. It also has the positive factor of spreading technology to the rest of North America (some things at least, but has the negative factor of spreading disease). Or we have several khaganates. This also holds back Spanish expansion into eastern North America (with them already having control of the entrance to the Mississippi).It's too bad about the steppe nomad thing dying before being fully born in the Americas, though, since we could have had crazy stuff like the Navajo forcing tribute from the early US in an echo of stuff like the Uyghur khaganate shaking down the Tang Dynasty.
The cannons are all imported, and the overwhelming majority of the crews are made up of Spaniards.It's been about 16 years since the initial contact if I'm not mistaken. The cannons were probably bought from Spain or the Aztecs basically rented Spanish artillery and crew (not uncommon, this is for example the key to the Ottoman Turks conquering Constantinople was the cannon constructed by Orban, a Hungarian artillery expert). if the Aztecs managed to build a cannon in basically 16 years of contact I'm beyond impressed
Nothing lasts forever...And so sunset approaches...
May what follows be better than before for the region, because at least they did miss the bigger civilizational bullet!
Indeed.The Mexica have fucked around, and are finding out.
thanks for clearing my doubts.I'm pretty sure the Spaniards will go to war to protect the Aztecs (the Aztecs surviving because of the Spaniards is a great irony).The cannons are all imported, and the overwhelming majority of the crews are made up of Spaniards.
I wouldn't help a Pagan king against a Christian(Most probably more amenable to become a puppet.)!I shall support TanaxaguanCharlie oh please help us now, my legs are soaked in piss…
Tezcatlipoca watches with glee, I'm sure.
No wait, they’re fighting back, oh shit, they’re really good, oh shit, OH SHIT, Charlie oh please help us now, my legs are soaked in piss…
Just to note, the Purépecha already shaped metal well before the Spanish arrived.Other than that it seems that the Purépecha started to try to imitate Spanish metallurgy,
Like the Enemy of Both Sides and the god of Change Through Conflict cares for thatI'm not sure the Purépscha sacrifice to him...
Didn't the ruler convert to Catholicism in otl?I'm not sure the Purépscha sacrifice to him...
That was only after the Spanish invaded, tortured and killed and enslaved tons of people and stuck a puppet on the throne so he converted to try and gain some degree of legitimacy and agency. In this timeline, I doubt the leader is gonna throw open the doors for a Spanish army which has no reason to be there anyway, and thus the Spanish aren't gonna get to just take over like OTL. So yeah, I doubt there will be a conversion.Didn't the ruler convert to Catholicism in otl?
Yes, the Aztecs will need help from the Spaniards to survive. Perhaps this is the initial entry of Christianity into the region?Holy s
Yes, but in a primitive way. As shown in the story some soldiers are using bronze (or copper) armor and shields.Just to note, the Purépecha already shaped metal well before the Spanish arrived.
This will depend on the Spaniards, if they come to the defense of the Aztecs we have a situation with the Aztecs being a vassal or tributary kingdom of spain. With the Spaniards using them to battle the other kingdomsJust caught up with this, in the end the Aztecs merely postponed their demise - they'd made far too many enemies already even before the Spanish reached the New World - but at least the continent's cradles of civilization (looks like the Incas dodged a bullet, too) won't fall under colonial rule.
Well a comache kaganate will last until the time weapons modernize enough to deal with hordes. Other than that maybe the Mapuche (that would be my safest bet). While I don't see them holding the pampas region they can hold a good part of otl chile. With the Mapuche and Incas fighting in the AndesI wonder what other places in the Americas will preserve their independence, if there'll be more of them.
Depends on what Italy becomes, we can have several kingdoms in Italy with the peninsula never being unified. But having an Italian kingdom on the peninsula.Also, Medici-ruled Italy from the 1700s?
Yes naples and rome in particular are in better condition. But at the same time, Naples and the Italian kingdoms will have to deal with the Ottomans. Perhaps we will have the kingdom of Naples becoming a major maritime power in the Mediterranean (they don't have much room to expand north so a maritime focus makes sense).That's... one hell of a butterfly, since Spanish rule left quite a mark on the peninsula in our own world, not necessarily for the best.
and having to deal with the Ottomans at the height of their power (16th century).maybe the 1600s won't be as dark a century for this ATL Italy than for its real life counterpart, but the peninsula will still have some catching up to do.
Worth reminding that France is also now the main influencer of the peninsula with it's control of Milan and non official control of Savoy and Genoa, Venice and Tuscany are still around and will definitely help Naples in fighting against the Ottoman threat and the lack of mutiple devasting wars will see the Peninsula still very rich even if stagnant and being left behind by the other powersThis will depend on the Spaniards, if they come to the defense of the Aztecs we have a situation with the Aztecs being a vassal or tributary kingdom of spain. With the Spaniards using them to battle the other kingdoms
Well a comache kaganate will last until the time weapons modernize enough to deal with hordes. Other than that maybe the Mapuche (that would be my safest bet). While I don't see them holding the pampas region they can hold a good part of otl chile. With the Mapuche and Incas fighting in the Andes
Depends on what Italy becomes, we can have several kingdoms in Italy with the peninsula never being unified. But having an Italian kingdom on the peninsula.
Yes naples and rome in particular are in better condition. But at the same time, Naples and the Italian kingdoms will have to deal with the Ottomans. Perhaps we will have the kingdom of Naples becoming a major maritime power in the Mediterranean (they don't have much room to expand north so a maritime focus makes sense).
and having to deal with the Ottomans at the height of their power (16th century).