The Island - P&S: Louisiana, Mississippi, Beaumont/Port Arthur, TX

The governor of Alabama in 1983-1984 was...George Wallace (at this point, he had renounced his racist opinions of the 1960s).

IMO, he would try to prepare for the worst as the crisis deepened.

I agree with you, if you go back and look at my posts about "Professionals Study Logistics" and "Unintended Happy Consequences" (my post 45 in this thread), you'll notice that Alabama representatives joined the "Hurricane Preparedness Group" in the November-December timeframe...

Alabama was also represented in "The Raid"

Do you think I should do a post talking about Alabama? And one on moving the Alabama?

Then another one talking about southeast Texas and the Pensacola area after the exchange?
 
That might be a little helpful, especially since Pensacola is a connection to Florida (where Governor Graham would prepare his state; he could even use the "hurricane preparedness" excuse, since most of Florida's major cities are on the coast).
 
46. Move the Alabama
Author's note: like Chipperback, I have some issues to deal with as well...next week I'm having surgery so I don't end up like my Dad...thankfully it's early enough where I shouldn't need any follow-up treatment...so I'll probably be totally out of the net next Monday-Tuesday, that being said, on with the post

Move the Alabama
January 1984


Alabama was not part of the original scope of Gulf States Command, but as things developed in the fall of 1983, they had representation in New Orleans and a couple of people assigned to Avery Island.

Preparation spread from west to east, as the border counties with Mississippi got equipped and emergency command structures set up, they worked with the counties to their east, and so on. Western Alabama was rapidly coming up to the levels of their Louisiana and Mississippi counterparts.l

In January 1984, the Adjutant General of Alabama met with Governor Wallace and presented a strike briefing. Potential targets started with Mobile, Ft. Rucker, Maxwell AFB and Montgomery, Birmingham, Anniston Army Depot, and Huntsville/Redstone Arsenal. Roughly a north-south line across the state with eastern Alabama taking more damage. North of Mobile to the Tennessee state line looked like a target free zone, with the possibility of damage from targeting of Meridian NAS and Columbus AFB in Mississippi. Tuscaloosa looked like the best place to set up the emergency government with command posts in Livingston and Decatur.

Governor Wallace asked about that part of Alabama on the east side of Mobile Bay, was there anything we could do for them. As he and his TAG looked at maps of the area, they noticed the USS Alabama which was moored on the west side of the bay. The governor made the remark that the state battleship might be of some use as a shelter if nothing else. He directed his TAG to contact Gulf States Command to get some Navy people to see what was possible.

TO BE CONTINUED
 
Author's note: like Chipperback, I have some issues to deal with as well...next week I'm having surgery so I don't end up like my Dad...thankfully it's early enough where I shouldn't need any follow-up treatment...so I'll probably be totally out of the net next Monday-Tuesday, that being said, on with the post
Good luck with your surgery, vl100butch!
 
47. Move the Alabama - continued
Move the Alabama-Continued
January 1984

The biggest problem with sending a team to survey the Alabama was to decide who was going to go. All of the Navy Warrant Officers and Chief Petty Officers with gunnery ratings volunteered immediately along with other ratings with battleship experience. A couple of quick decisions were made. First off, it wasn't worth the time to try to get a 16 inch turret working. Getting a couple of the 5 inch mounts working along with some of the 40mm and 20mm anti-aircraft guns made sense. Next was figuring out how to power everything, diesel generators would have to be used. Were there still generators on board?

How many people could be safely billeted on board? What was the plumbing like on board? Fresh water capacity? Refrigeration? Kitchens?

Was there any communication equipment on board? Was it still operational or could it be quickly be put into operation?

The Army Engineers needed to be in the planning group as well, was any dredging required? What about a mooring on the east bank, where would it make sense to tie up? Shore power?

Every time they turned around, more questions popped up.

Getting the guns operational was one of the simpler pieces of the evolution. The 5 inch 38 was still in service, so spares and ammunition were readily available. It was also fairly simple to get a few of the 20mm's in working order. They decided that the quad 40mm wasn't worth the time and effort to get them back into operation.

Where do you go with a battleship that didn't have any propulsion? Tugs would have to be available on very short notice. Challenges and opportunities galore. One decision that was rapidly made was that assigned personnel could have their wives with them, simply made sense with the situation they could possibly be facing.

TO BE CONTINUED
 
48. The soldier gets to Tuscaloosa
Author's note: thanks to everyone for the thoughts and prayers and good wishes...I went through all of my pre-op this morning and tomorrow is my last day at the office for a few weeks...let me know if the dialog works or should I write the entire thing in third person

The soldier gets to Tuscaloosa
4 November 1985

Catching a ride with the trucker from Atlanta to Birmingham made things a lot easier for the soldier. I-459 was still open so the final leg of their journey together went pretty quickly. Listening to the LSU-Ole Miss game helped a lot, the soldier heard something that proved to him that things were getting better. When they got to Bessmer, the trucker was able to get him on another truck that would drop him off where he needed to be in Tuscaloosa.

On a Sunday morning in Tuscaloosa, the soldier was dropped off at the train station. He checked in with the duty NCO at the USGSC liaison office who took his information and entered into a form on a personal computer. The sergeant explained that he was hooked up with a modem to a telephone line which would connect with a computer at the University of Alabama. From there it would go to something called the ARPANET. All the universities were hooked up to the ARPANET and it was fairly simple to run connections over to key nodes like elements of Gulf States Command. His information would go straight to New Orleans and someone there would start working on finding his family.

The duty team got the soldier a place to clean up and sleep. They told him that a train would be leaving for New Orleans early tomorrow morning, but it would make a lot of stops on the way down. Little did he know about the hornet's nest his arrival stirred up. When the message got to USGSC, it went to the J-1 and to the Chaplain's office. The soldier on duty at the Chaplain's office called Rabbi Blackman who would have the pleasant duty (for once) of notifying the soldier's parents that he was alive. The duty driver picked up the Rabbi and they headed over the river to the West Bank, down Highway 23, through the Belle Chasse Tunnel, and onto Barriere Road, where they made a right turn down a residential street. They pulled up in front of a two-story house and Rabbi Blackman knocked on the door and introduced himself. The soldier's mother asked if he was the Rabbi that taught a history course at LSU.

"I thought it was Jimmy when the message came through, nice to meet you Mrs. Kerner. Your son will be home tomorrow. He's in Tuscaloosa and will be on the morning train", Rabbi Blackman told the soldier's mother.

"Rabbi, it's nice to meet you, Jimmy's father is at work but I'm expecting him to call when he gets down to Garden Island Bay, please come in and have a cup of coffee," said the soldier's mother. "Jimmy always talked about how much he enjoyed your course."

"Mrs. Kerner, what does your husband do?"

"He works for Freeport Sulphur, he's captain of the T.E. Lyons, but he's not supposed to get back to Harvey until Tuesday evening," said the soldier's mother.

"Mrs. Kerner, don't you worry about that, when the good Archbishop is done with Mass, he and I are going to make a few phone calls and we'll get him back if we have to send a helicopter to get him," said Rabbi Blackman.

The Rabbi and Mrs Kerner (and the duty driver) had their cup of coffee and then the Rabbi headed back across the river. The soldier's mother got on the phone and started to let the family know that her son the soldier was alive and coming home.

When the Rabbi got back, he briefed the Archbishop and they started to make some phone calls. When they got hold of the right people at Freeport Sulphur, they were told that the soldier's father would be on a boat back to Venice as soon as he tied up at Garden Island Bay and they would get him back to his home in Belle Chasse. The Rabbi contacted J-1 and didn't ask as he normally did when he need something from them, but directed that someone from GSC be at Union Passenger Terminal to meet the soldier.

When the Lyons pulled into Garden Island Bay, the soldier's father was told to call his wife, immediately. The mine boss went on board and told the crew that the soldier's father would be heading home on a crewboat immediately and that his oldest son had acutally survived and would be home tomorrow. When the soldier's father got back to the Lyons, he looked a lot happier than he had in quite a while. He was told to get his stuff and they had a boat ready to take him upriver to Venice and they'd get him home from there.

Back in Tuscaloosa, the soldier was able to get some laundry done and eat some comfort food at the local Picadilly Cafeteria. The one piece of advice he got was to pack up his submachine gun, people on the train would really be uncomfortable with him carrying it. He didn't sleep very well that night and showed up at the train station a couple of hours before the train left. So, on the morning of the soldier's 34th birthday, he boarded a train that would take him home. He figured with the size of his family, someone came through all of this. He found a spot where he could stretch out, put his duffel bag on the floor and his ALICE pack on the other side. He then streched out, covered his face with his cap and went to sleep.
 
Good morning everyone, there were some complications from surgery and hopefully, I'll be out of the hospital tomorrow....should have an update posted over the weekend.
 
49. Move the Alabama - Part 3
Author's note: the operation that was supposed to take 3 hours took 6...when you're my age and have never been put to sleep before, recovery was and still is a bear...ended up in the hospital for 6 days...only on the last day was I allowed to eat something resembling food...

Move the Alabama-Part 3
January 1984

The official word was that Alabama was headed to the shipyard for some hull work, so if people saw preparations for departure, they shouldn't be alarmed. As there were several NJROTC units within a few hours of Mobile and word got out, instructors contacted the USGSC personnel onboard and asked if they could use some more help. A couple of hundred extra pairs of young hands were welcome.

A weekend rotation plan was set up where each school would bring their cadets over on a Friday night and they would stay onboard until Sunday. As the cadets started working on billeting areas, their instructors cornered their USGSC counterparts and asked what was really going on.

The hull problems of USS Texas (BB-35) over at San Jacinto were known among the historical warship community and an announcement was made that the USS Alabama community wished to avoid the problems that Texas was now having. So even as tensions increased, Soviet intelligence in the US did not pay a lot of attention. Using JROTC cadets as an unpaid workforce was nothing new either. It was a win-win for everyone. Like the Marines at Jesuit High in New Orleans, bugout plans were developed to evacuate the area cadets to Alabama.

Where to moor? That was the question, was there anywhere deep enough in southeastern Mobile Bay to tie up a battleship? The experts were over at the Mobile District, US Army Corps of Engineers, since they were responsible for keeping the shipping lanes open from the Gulf into the Port of Mobile.
 
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50. The Air Bridge
The Air Bridge
June 1984


Once the party for the Inauguration was over, the logisticians and movement planners went to work. Chennault Field at Lake Charles was the primary location for tankers, transports and what commercial air assets available were sent to either New Orleans International or NAS New Orleans.

Liaison teams from Nebraska and Columbia were sent to New Orleans, if their families were available they were told to come along. Bulk items were loaded into whatever C-5's, 130's and 141's that survived. Nebraska had a few surprises headed their way, the first thing was bananas, lots of them. Then pallets loaded with salt, sugar, hot sauce, and whatever spices could be rounded up.

It was time for the existence of Gulf States Command to be revealed and it was done in a big way. Rotary wing aircraft began performing recons north and west of Beaumont. Texas finally sent a team to New Orleans after being told that they were now under military control of the Gulf States Command. Whatever Navy and Coast Guard elements were available began to aggressively patrol the Gulf of Mexico and the Carribean. USS Lexington became the flagship of the Fourth US Fleet. Iowa was back at Avondale in New Orleans completing her reactivation. Even the Fletcher class destroyer USS Kidd, which was supposed to be a war memorial in Baton Rouge was being prepared to go back to sea.

The Columbia planners brought up the problems of providing weapons to all the volunteers they had to rebuild the Army. After a lot of laughter from the USP&FO's from the three states, they were told that as long as they were happy with M-14's or M-1 Garand's, they could have as many as they wanted. One of the Ordnance types from Columbia asked, "What did you do, loot Anniston?" There was a simple one word answer, "Yep."

TO BE CONTINUED
 
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PimpLenin

Banned
Even the Fletcher class destroyer USS Kidd, which was supposed to be a war memorial in Baton Rouge was being prepared to go back to sea.​


One of my favorite places to visit as a kid...many a Boy Scout sleepover on the Kidd. It would be awesome to see the pirate on the smokestack and the jolly roger at sea again.​
 
One of my favorite places to visit as a kid...many a Boy Scout sleepover on the Kidd. It would be awesome to see the pirate on the smokestack and the jolly roger at sea again.

gotta use what you have on hand.....what about the guns that have been in shelters on the Victory ships at Port Arthur since 1945?

how about a couple of really shallow draft gunbarges? Could be a rude surprise for Rummy and his syncophants...
 
gotta use what you have on hand.....what about the guns that have been in shelters on the Victory ships at Port Arthur since 1945?

how about a couple of really shallow draft gunbarges? Could be a rude surprise for Rummy and his syncophants...

And some of the USN volunteers coming in could help man those.
 
And some of the USN volunteers coming in could help man those.

back in the 1960's the Naval Institute Proceedings had an article about the Royal Navy gunboats at Ondurman....

I figure a gun barge could be about thirty feet wide, somewhere around 150 feet long, and draw less than two feet....mount a 3 or 5 incher and a couple of 20mm's....

The other issue I'm looking at is how to barge fuel north....there is a simple workaround...where a downed bridge is blocking the channel, set up a docking station on each end and simply pump the fuel to a barge on the other side...from what I know of the bridges from Memphis north, you should be able to slip small unloaded barges through and then load them up.
 
There should be some barges on the Mississippi in the spots between any downed bridges that block the river, so this may obviate the need to move some through. Frankly if any bridges were actually in the blast of a nuke, the wreckage might actually be fairly minimal - only those close enough to be knocked down but not close enough to be vaporized are a problem.

There are tons of shallow draft craft of all sizes in the area of the Gulf Command, and some of the shipyards till intact can turn out PBR types pretty quickly. Light armor and .50 cals will be all most need. Barges or larger craft can mount heavier weapons, and be more fully armored. And, if you really want to scare the crap out of negative elements build/convert some "zippo" boats.

BTW used to be a reserve riverine squadron based in the N.O. area - not sure if they were there in 1984.
 
There should be some barges on the Mississippi in the spots between any downed bridges that block the river, so this may obviate the need to move some through. Frankly if any bridges were actually in the blast of a nuke, the wreckage might actually be fairly minimal - only those close enough to be knocked down but not close enough to be vaporized are a problem.

There are tons of shallow draft craft of all sizes in the area of the Gulf Command, and some of the shipyards till intact can turn out PBR types pretty quickly. Light armor and .50 cals will be all most need. Barges or larger craft can mount heavier weapons, and be more fully armored. And, if you really want to scare the crap out of negative elements build/convert some "zippo" boats.

BTW used to be a reserve riverine squadron based in the N.O. area - not sure if they were there in 1984.

How many boatyards do you think are in the area between Houma and New Iberia?

How many crewboats do you think you could get your hands on immediately (I think well over a hundred)?

I remember RIVDIV 22 quite clearly...just did a wiki and it doesn't say anything other than they are now at Little Creek...for some reason I seem to remember that they were gone when I got back from Europe in 1984

Once things get moving and the logistics and transportation professionals begin to get a good picture, I would anticipate that fuel shipments by barge could be arriving in Nebraska by July....

AND, I think there are railroad routes that may be somewhat convuluted and speed limited in places....but they are out there....

Then there are the back roads.....I could see a heavily escorted convoy of 200 or so 18 wheelers heading out of the Brazos Valley toward Nebraska...

Just because the key junctions of the interstates are either no more or covered in debris doesn't mean that there aren't back roads you could get through on....

You have to think out of the box.....remember, fuel for Amudusen-Scott station at the South Pole is no longer delivered by air but by sled convoy (the cost of the sled convoy is not much more than ONE air sortie from McMurdo to the South Pole)
 
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