The Iron Eagle - The History of the Cold War
- Thread starter Kaiser of Brazil
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Himmler is definitely not Beria, curiously, Beria showed himself as a more moderate candidate by the time of Stalin’s death, he wasn’t a fanatic of Marxism-Leninism like Himmler is of Nazism.
American electors:
“Well these Thurmond years were certainly a Turmoil, let’s not vote for these weird southern democrats again.”
American electors a little later:
“🎵Every man a King🎵”
“Well these Thurmond years were certainly a Turmoil, let’s not vote for these weird southern democrats again.”
American electors a little later:
“🎵Every man a King🎵”
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I know that an earlier poll said that the U.S. will win the Cold War, but if the German Reich survives to the present, I see it being a lot like modern China. It'll probably have to abandon some of the rougher edges of Nazism out of necessity, but will still be a totalitarian police state that is terrible to its minorities. This also applies to the economy, as I think the Reich's economy could end up looking like the state capitalism that defines post-Deng China.
Thats if Hitler doesn’t cause a world war in his last years of life.
Add in mass expansion of the Kriegsmarine, Luftwaffe modernization, public declarations against the USA, and American forces “surrounding” the Reich in Russia and the Middle East. Hitler is paranoid about enemies since Göring’s assassination by “partisans”, now there is a united Russia propped up by the US, and the State of Israel, practically saved by the US.
It is hard to imagine someone like Hitler would want a Cold War to be “Cold” for long as he is getting surrounded by “enemies” on all sides. He considers himself as an Avatar of the German Volk, Hitler is Germany and Germany is Hitler, and if Hitler is paranoid, Germany is paranoid, and that irrationality may bring the whole world down into flames that will dwarf the previous war.
If Germany goes down, they will try their hardest to bring the world with them. It’s a “do or die” mentality.
@Kaiser of Brazil I would like to ask you two questions regarding Tag des Sieges" (Victory Day):
1. The peace between the European Axis powers and the Allies was signed on 20th April 1943, right?
2. Does it take place every year just like OTL Soviet/Russian Victory Day parade or what?
1. The peace between the European Axis powers and the Allies was signed on 20th April 1943, right?
2. Does it take place every year just like OTL Soviet/Russian Victory Day parade or what?
Yes, the Victory Day is a date celebrated in the Reich when the Treaty of Lisbon was signed. Ribbentrop even deliberately extended the negotiations for a few days in order to have it coincide with Hitler’s birthday. It was made it so the name of the Führer is always associated with Germany’s greatest victory and Triumph. There is an annual parade by both the Wehrmacht and the SS, with other nations such as the Balkan states and Italy even sending regiments to participate. The Italians also celebrated a Triumph, but it is not an annual celebration as “religious” as the parade in Germania.
I have a serious problem with this statement. Rodolfo Graziani was the general that overseed the worst defeat of the Italian Army in WW2 (Operation Compass) and was then relieved of all commands and put under penal investigation for its actions. Graziani remained mostly inactive for the next two years and during his time in Italy, he played a marginal role in suppressing the Italian anti-fascist movement. I can see him being given another command after the war but it would only be symbolical and not an important front: maybe in Greece or Albania but nothing more.
The thing is that the war did not go much like the real war, the Italian army had either more soft defeats (Pushed to Epirus in Greece and didn’t get pushed back all the way to Albania), or real life operations and defeats did not happen or happened differently. Graziani (like much of the Italian high command), is not really a very competent commander but he’s loyal and useful for Mussolini’s support inside the Military. For instance, Wilhelm Keitel was not the best commander of the OKW but was still put in charge by Hitler because he was loyal, sometimes dictatorships prefer to favor more control than more competence.
I know that he was the most loyal Italian Army General to Mussolini but even if the Italian Army was slightly more prepared than in OTL the Italians would have been defeated no matter what in TTL Operation Compass. Maybe their losses are less than in OTL (130.000 captured or killed)maybe 80.000 it is still a very big defeat at the end of a significantly smaller force is still something that is very embarrassing. In OTL Mussolini despised him so much that even considered putting him under house arrest and Farinacci openly spoke of him being a coward so I don't really think that Graziani would make any significant comeback. Giovanni Messe would have been a more appropriate person to receive a promotion since he was and is still considered the best Italian general of WW2.
Messe was competent, but was he loyal to Mussolini?
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I voted Himmler, simply because no one has thus far. It looks like Speer will come out on top, though.