The Iron Eagle: An Adolf Hitler Presidency
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I don't know about "shot", this is Hitler with American characteristics not Jake Featherston, so he's more likely to be a racialist populist rather than a genocidal totalitarian. I could see Long getting arrested for "anti-war" sentiment, somewhat similar to Debs during WWI funnily enough.
I agree he's not at all like Featherston. And I admit I was being a little hyperbolic. My point is that one of Hitlers early rivals in the Democratic party, along with people like Garner and FDR, is going to be Long. And more than likely neither are going to be playing fair.
And one of them is likely going to end up either dead or their political career in utter shambles by the end of it.
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Or Hitler decides to make Long a crony of his and have him make sure the south stays loyal to him.
Wouldn't that already be a hard task in and of itself considering how ambitious and power-hungry Huey was IOTL?
I can't imagine Hitler would have any trouble with holding the south.
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I mean look at some of the members of the Nazi party OTL. Hitler kept them under control* plus he can easily mollify Huey by promising to enodorse him as the Democratic nominee for President when he steps down.
Yes but it's more to make sure nobody gets the idea to challenge his candidates. I mean after all back in thoses days just about every President had someone helping them keep the rest of the party in line.
*By this I mean he was able to keep the from trying to seize power from him even during those last few days in the bunker. If he could keep Himmler from trying to coup during that period Huey is a piece of cake.
As a Catholic and son of an immigrant, he'll have more trouble than you might think. Especially with a certain robed *ahem* social club holding a great deal of influence in the South during this period.
I would say authoritarian in this timeline, rather than an autocrat like OTL. So bascally warping and corrupting democracy, rather than abolishing it.
Sorry guys, I’ve been very busy even though it’s technically the holidays (also got some good family time). I hope to get an update soon.
People who’ll be important down the road:
Happy 2019!
Any predictions?
People who’ll be important down the road:
Happy 2019!
Any predictions?
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Having read through this TL, I enjoy it very much.
The idea of President Hitler seems crazy, but turning him from a German populist to the Southern fried populist was done in such a believable way that I can picture Mr. Toothstache speaking with a Texas accent.
I'm guessing Barry Goldwater might be a staunch opponent of ol'Adolph. OTL, statism has been linked to liberal culture. ITTL, statism and liberal economics might be linked to President Hitler's extreme racism. To perhaps Barry G might be part of some backlash against this populist racism.
The idea of President Hitler seems crazy, but turning him from a German populist to the Southern fried populist was done in such a believable way that I can picture Mr. Toothstache speaking with a Texas accent.
I'm guessing Barry Goldwater might be a staunch opponent of ol'Adolph. OTL, statism has been linked to liberal culture. ITTL, statism and liberal economics might be linked to President Hitler's extreme racism. To perhaps Barry G might be part of some backlash against this populist racism.
I personally think Goldwater is going to replace Reagan as the Godfather of American Conservatism. Most likely Goldwater will have a solid two terms where he gets to implement his ideology as the mainstay of the party, and he manages to dramatically reduce the size of the federal government while giving power back to the states. What's important here is that unlike Reagan, Goldwater won't ally with the Religious Right who will most likely be filled with Hiterlites and stay within the Democratic party. Also the Neo-Cons won't exist with the social conservatives of the South forming the Hitlerite Democrats. With Goldwater being social Libertarian, he can make the GOP attractive to minorities by sending the message that it was thanks to government encroachment by federal overreach as well as state governments acting unconstitutional that caused segregation, therefore if minorities want to keep their rights they must fight for the constitution and make sure that the government at all levels is as small as possible so that it won't have the power to discriminate against them. I can see Goldwater here going full Civil Rights if he's successfully convinced that the Civil Rights acts are merely reaffirming the constitution instead of federal overreach. Goldwater coming to power is also the most damning rejection of Hitler, having his legacy slowly be torn down by a man of Jewish descent.
I'm more curious on how President Hitler is going to affect the fate of the Klu Klux Klan. I'm guessing that 1924 is where Hitler effectively kills the Klan's power at the national level, forcing them onto a rapid decline like OTL, and with his devout faith and him presenting himself as the anti-Klan candidate, I don't think that there will be any situation where Hitler will ally with them. His ascension as the first Catholic President could be something that could break the Klan. JFK was a Catholic, Liberal, Irish-Yankee, so him being elected didn't tear apart the Klan's power in the short-term. However, while Hitler should be the ideal President for the South since he's an enemy to Blacks and a Southern Populist, at the same time he's the son of German Immigrants and a Catholic, an un-American anathema to them. If Hitler's cult of personality dominates the mainstream south and heavy hitters like Wallace or Sturmond are Hitlerites, then I don't see any way there can be a third rise of the Klan unless they accept Catholics to coincide with Coughlin's rise with Hitler.
I'm more curious on how President Hitler is going to affect the fate of the Klu Klux Klan. I'm guessing that 1924 is where Hitler effectively kills the Klan's power at the national level, forcing them onto a rapid decline like OTL, and with his devout faith and him presenting himself as the anti-Klan candidate, I don't think that there will be any situation where Hitler will ally with them. His ascension as the first Catholic President could be something that could break the Klan. JFK was a Catholic, Liberal, Irish-Yankee, so him being elected didn't tear apart the Klan's power in the short-term. However, while Hitler should be the ideal President for the South since he's an enemy to Blacks and a Southern Populist, at the same time he's the son of German Immigrants and a Catholic, an un-American anathema to them. If Hitler's cult of personality dominates the mainstream south and heavy hitters like Wallace or Sturmond are Hitlerites, then I don't see any way there can be a third rise of the Klan unless they accept Catholics to coincide with Coughlin's rise with Hitler.
1924 Democratic National Convention - A Magnolia Blooms
“We will not accept a Tammany tiger, we will not accept a wet, we will not accept a catholic!”
Anger in the McAdoo camp was boiling. Their man, nephew of recently deceased President Wilson and the convention front runner was supposed to be a shoo-in. And for anyone, especially a working class Manhattan Catholic to get in the way of McAdoo’s coronation was not only an offense to the recently deceased president himself but also to the very foundations of Jacksonian democracy. The party, while welcoming of urbanites and Catholics under sympathy for the common man and religious minorities, was at heart a rural, Protestant party lionized by the Scotch-Irish Jackson, the southern Polk and the Evangelical Bryan, champion of the Nebraskan plains.
These feelings were reciprocated from the New York delegates. “Who do these guests from Kentucky and Oregon think they are?!” they asked themselves. As of the 20’s, majority of the nation lived outside the farm. The future was in five points, not around West Point. Al Smith, son of working class parents of diverse catholic ancestors (and jokingly graduate of the fisherman’s wharf) championed in his mind 20th century Jacksonianism. McAdoo was the past: Smith the future.
In honor of his mentor and southern heritage, Hitler was a McAdoo delegate. However, the anti-Catholic cries were hard for him to bear (though growing up in rural Texas he was as much a veteran of such treatment as he was of shells in the Somme). One of the berators of the Holy See was Theodore Bilbo, the former governor of Mississippi and a McAdoo delegate from the hospitality state (a bit ironic). When he was done with his klan shouts, the Lone Star delegate cordially greeted him (Bilbo likewise), and an important conversation enfolded:
“You know, when you berate Catholics to such a level, you are dividing the white race. Regardless of denomination, the white race must be united for the glory of America.”
“I agree, but I’ve been out of office for a couple of years and the only way back home to rally the crowds this days outside the racial consensus is the champion the Protestant religion.”
“Politics certainly is a tricky game. I could not have gotten this far without all the help of my mentors.”
“You’re quite humble, especially for you’re profile Dr., especially someone with such grandeur in Congress and who is so right on the race issue. As a fellow southerner I thank you from the bottom of my heart for stomping that disgraceful Dyer bill. You won the hearts of the southern people that day.”
“Oh it was just the lord’s strength that saved me there (Hitler was also thinking of mother Mary but he deicided not to share that aspect). I could not allow common decency and the dignity of the southern people to be shattered."
"An honor being in your presence."
Hitler gave an affirmative nod.
"You know, Governor Bilbo, you have an excellent command of oratory. If you set your heart on a goal, you will be able to convince your peers and the people with your message."
"Thank you very much Senator. But I cannot compete with you in in terms of speaking ability."
Hitler smiled, both for social purposes and for he enjoyed the compliment. He also knew how true it was. There were good speakers, charismatic orators, and then there was the Lone Star Senator from Hancock.
A small, thin man popped out of nowhere. "Senator Hitler, representative Bryan wishes to meet with you."
Hitler gave a slight nod, following it with a handshake with the Magnolia state delegate.
"A pleasure meeting you, Senator."
"Likewise, Governor."
"Hitler's ability to connect, whether in front of crowds or in person aided him greatly, whether it be courting constituencies or allies." - The Great Men of American History, by Eric Foner, American Historian and author.
(Theodore Bilbo was one of America's most foremost white supremacists. Hitler's courting of such an ideologue would help the pragmatic Texan greatly throughout his political career, especially in regards to Dixie. The two men developed a strong friendship.)
Anger in the McAdoo camp was boiling. Their man, nephew of recently deceased President Wilson and the convention front runner was supposed to be a shoo-in. And for anyone, especially a working class Manhattan Catholic to get in the way of McAdoo’s coronation was not only an offense to the recently deceased president himself but also to the very foundations of Jacksonian democracy. The party, while welcoming of urbanites and Catholics under sympathy for the common man and religious minorities, was at heart a rural, Protestant party lionized by the Scotch-Irish Jackson, the southern Polk and the Evangelical Bryan, champion of the Nebraskan plains.
These feelings were reciprocated from the New York delegates. “Who do these guests from Kentucky and Oregon think they are?!” they asked themselves. As of the 20’s, majority of the nation lived outside the farm. The future was in five points, not around West Point. Al Smith, son of working class parents of diverse catholic ancestors (and jokingly graduate of the fisherman’s wharf) championed in his mind 20th century Jacksonianism. McAdoo was the past: Smith the future.
In honor of his mentor and southern heritage, Hitler was a McAdoo delegate. However, the anti-Catholic cries were hard for him to bear (though growing up in rural Texas he was as much a veteran of such treatment as he was of shells in the Somme). One of the berators of the Holy See was Theodore Bilbo, the former governor of Mississippi and a McAdoo delegate from the hospitality state (a bit ironic). When he was done with his klan shouts, the Lone Star delegate cordially greeted him (Bilbo likewise), and an important conversation enfolded:
“You know, when you berate Catholics to such a level, you are dividing the white race. Regardless of denomination, the white race must be united for the glory of America.”
“I agree, but I’ve been out of office for a couple of years and the only way back home to rally the crowds this days outside the racial consensus is the champion the Protestant religion.”
“Politics certainly is a tricky game. I could not have gotten this far without all the help of my mentors.”
“You’re quite humble, especially for you’re profile Dr., especially someone with such grandeur in Congress and who is so right on the race issue. As a fellow southerner I thank you from the bottom of my heart for stomping that disgraceful Dyer bill. You won the hearts of the southern people that day.”
“Oh it was just the lord’s strength that saved me there (Hitler was also thinking of mother Mary but he deicided not to share that aspect). I could not allow common decency and the dignity of the southern people to be shattered."
"An honor being in your presence."
Hitler gave an affirmative nod.
"You know, Governor Bilbo, you have an excellent command of oratory. If you set your heart on a goal, you will be able to convince your peers and the people with your message."
"Thank you very much Senator. But I cannot compete with you in in terms of speaking ability."
Hitler smiled, both for social purposes and for he enjoyed the compliment. He also knew how true it was. There were good speakers, charismatic orators, and then there was the Lone Star Senator from Hancock.
A small, thin man popped out of nowhere. "Senator Hitler, representative Bryan wishes to meet with you."
Hitler gave a slight nod, following it with a handshake with the Magnolia state delegate.
"A pleasure meeting you, Senator."
"Likewise, Governor."
"Hitler's ability to connect, whether in front of crowds or in person aided him greatly, whether it be courting constituencies or allies." - The Great Men of American History, by Eric Foner, American Historian and author.
(Theodore Bilbo was one of America's most foremost white supremacists. Hitler's courting of such an ideologue would help the pragmatic Texan greatly throughout his political career, especially in regards to Dixie. The two men developed a strong friendship.)
or Hitler - Goldwater relation end up like this couple: Master and Apprentice
Not trying to spoil much but lets just say that Hitler and Goldwater won't be best of friends.
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