The Irish Revolution of 1798: A New Theatre

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There was no prospect of the French Navy defeating the RN at the Nile.

No chance of the territories of the Ottoman Empire being considered a higher priority than Ireland.

No 'internal issues' that could convince any plausible British administration to abandon efforts against France.

Napoleon had neither the intent nor the ability to establish Egypt as a French colony. Anything less than bringing the Ottoman Empire to terms meant the French effort was doomed to defeat.

Nor would the Protestant extremists joining forces with the Catholics under any circumstances.

The constant harassment of British supply lines is nonsense...



Mumphy, to be blunt, your first timeline went way into ASB territory even without your clinging to a ridiculous Hessian role with absolutely no basis in reality.
 
There was no prospect of the French Navy defeating the RN at the Nile.

No chance of the territories of the Ottoman Empire being considered a higher priority than Ireland.

No 'internal issues' that could convince any plausible British administration to abandon efforts against France.

Napoleon had neither the intent nor the ability to establish Egypt as a French colony. Anything less than bringing the Ottoman Empire to terms meant the French effort was doomed to defeat.

Nor would the Protestant extremists joining forces with the Catholics under any circumstances.

The constant harassment of British supply lines is nonsense...



Mumphy, to be blunt, your first timeline went way into ASB territory even without your clinging to a ridiculous Hessian role with absolutely no basis in reality.

Well, this is meant to be entertainment, but I will deal with your issues each at a time.

The Hessian thing is ASB, but I simply thought it would be pretty cool.

There was a definite prospect of the French defeating the British at the Nile. If the French hadn't chained their ships together, they would have been more than ready to face a British attack. Remember that the French are at the dock, where there will undoubtedly be cannon. All it takes is the battle occurring during the day, and the battle could have been a French victory.

It isn't the territories of the Ottomans per se the British are worried about. French success in Egypt and against the Ottomans is a definite threat to Britain's possessions in India. And we would go through hell or high water to hold onto India, whereas in Ireland we have less to lose.

So, serious outbreaks of violent action in Britain, no matter how bad, would not have caused Britain to back-down even slightly in France through sheer bloody mindedness? Now that is ASB. But the British will probably just play a smaller role.

Napoleon in OTL won many battles in Egypt, but the naval battles cut off support from home. He worked to make the lives of the Egyptians easier and if he had focussed a little less on uncovering the Pyramids, and more on war, he could have won.

You forget that in the age of revolutions, many people we would consider odd allied with one another to fight a common oppressor. The Orangists and the Catholics have allied purely to push out the British. The UI was more secular. In my next update, the fragile alliance in the north will fall apart.

Last of all, my name is Mumby. Not Mumphy.
 
Yet you assign a portion of Irish territory and Irish miltiary forces to the utterly implausible involvment of the Hessians.


There was no prospect of a French naval victory at the Nile, nor did the French fleet enjoy a victory on such a scale during the Napoleonic Wars, against the UK. Basically you would like such a victory in your thread but can offer no basis for it, much like the involvment of the Hessians.

There is no evidence that there cannon on the docks, least of all in sufficient number to make a difference, no evidence that the French fleet was ready to do what no such fleet did before or since in a quarter century of war and no evidence that the RN would have not used the plan of attack which gave the RN a crushing victory. Nor did the battle start at night.


The idea that a French allied Ireland would be less alarming to the British than a French toehold in Egypt vast distances from India is absurd.


The alliance between the Catholics and the Protestants(loyalists) would not fall apart later, it would not exist in the first place.
 
At the Battle of the Nile the French were in a very poor position.

Their commanding admiral had made several major errors in positioning the fleet as the British could A) deploy their ships in force by moving between shoal water and the first French ship to concentrate fire on one French ship at a time and B) break the French line due to the distance between the French ships.

There were no chains holding the French ships together and, ironically, had they all used cables per their orders the British might have been unable to break the French line.

The deployment of the French fleet also rendered it impossible for the rear of the fleet to support the van.

Lastly Napoleon had stripped the fleet of supplies nor did he replace them such that at times as much as one third of the French sailors were away trying to provide food and water for the fleet. As a result the French commander, Admiral Brueys, reported to the French Minister of Marine "Our crews are weak, both in number and quality. Our rigging, in general, out of repair, and I am sure it requires no little courage to undertake the management of a fleet furnished with such tools."

By no stretch of the imagination can this be considered to have been a close battle.
 
Then help me make it better. If I tell you what my objectives for this TL are for now, will that make it easier to help me?


  1. I want Ireland to be freed, but through a number of avenues.
  2. I then want the revolution to spread to Britain, creating a radical democratic republic.
  3. I want the United States to be somehow in a position in the ACW for the free states to declare independence from the USA.
  4. I want Spain to be more important in the Americas.
  5. I want a slower or less extensive colonisation of Africa.
After that, I'm less sure.
 
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