The Hungarian Invasion of Romania, 1993...

yourworstnightmare

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Early 90's worst case scenario for Europe would be a war between some of the former Eastern block nations. European integration would be halted, and East europe would not be allowed into the European community.
 
By "defect," I mean defect to Transnistra (sp?) under orders from the Russian government.

I'm sorry but that idea is deluded, besides the absurdity of ordering a whole Army to defect to a nonrecognized entity, there's no way the separatists can support such manpower for long, they'll just end up surrendering to the United romanian army when they run out of food and gas.

I'm not even sure how the russian government could legally order russian troops to defect, I'm pretty sure that isn't legal, so at best it would be an unofficial order of defecting which then the russian government would be forced to condem and stop all supplies to the 14th Army, anything else would equal a declaration of war from Russia on Romania.

Besides as I said in a previous post, quite probably Romania wouldn't care for Transnistria anyway, being a strip of worthless land filled with russians, so they wouldn't have a problem giving it independence or letting Ukraine annex it.
 
Good point about the separatists not being able to sustain such a large force.

However, who would force Russia to do anything? Russia is a Power.
 
Good point about the separatists not being able to sustain such a large force.

However, who would force Russia to do anything? Russia is a Power.

1993 Russia isn't 2010's Russia, back then they were a complete mess and in no position no fight a war with anyone, also remember this isn't only about power, but also power projection which it still lacks today.

So as to what or who would stop Russia, well that would be the logistical problems, also political and severe economic problems Russia faced in those years. They just didn't have the militarily, economically or politically the ability to wage war of any kind, let alone one with a country they don't actually share a border. (Ukraine went independent in 1991)
 
Transdnistria had a seccesionist movement precisely because there was talk in Moldavia of joining Rumania. Thats why the war started. Also during the war Transdnistria had Russian military stationed there, and they did help transdnistrians by giving them weapons and other help. Moldavia stoped becauise they were afraid of Russia joining in.
Also Transdnistria had most of Moldavia's industry
 

Cook

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And what are we willing to do to stop them? Nuke them?

Eastern European ethnic nationalists tend not to give a rat's ass about public opinion in other countries unless it translates to bombs dropping on them.

This was a time when Hungary was actively seeking to join NATO and the European Union.
Its trade markets were in the west and would be immediately subject to sanctions and Hungarian entry into the power blocks of NATO and EU would be put off indefinitely, and held up as the carrot to induce them to make a deal.
 

The Sandman

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This was a time when Hungary was actively seeking to join NATO and the European Union.
Its trade markets were in the west and would be immediately subject to sanctions and Hungarian entry into the power blocks of NATO and EU would be put off indefinitely, and held up as the carrot to induce them to make a deal.

If we let the Serbs have the Republika Srpska when they were the ones that started the war and murdered or expelled the non-Serb inhabitants to make the borders of that entity, then I think we could see our way to letting Hungary take some of Transylvania off of Romania under the circumstances outlined in this thread.
 
If we let the Serbs have the Republika Srpska when they were the ones that started the war and murdered or expelled the non-Serb inhabitants to make the borders of that entity, then I think we could see our way to letting Hungary take some of Transylvania off of Romania under the circumstances outlined in this thread.

Practically impossible, unless I'm mistaken Republika Srpska was in a border region, which is why such a solution would be possible, the region of Romania that the hungarians are a majority is nowhere near the border, it's in the middle of the country.
 
with the balkan on fire, romania and hungary fighting each other, wouldn't it be time for the other countries to get even with their neighbours? Bulgaria laying claims on serbia and greece, greece and turkey showing their daggers to each other.


and, if the US would intervene, with NATO cover, would this not be an ultime showoff for the russians? their last chance to prove thet they are still there? the russian bear lays in ruin, but the remnants might show some last signs of life, and aid their Romanian Allies?
 
with the balkan on fire, romania and hungary fighting each other, wouldn't it be time for the other countries to get even with their neighbours? Bulgaria laying claims on serbia and greece, greece and turkey showing their daggers to each other.


and, if the US would intervene, with NATO cover, would this not be an ultime showoff for the russians? their last chance to prove thet they are still there? the russian bear lays in ruin, but the remnants might show some last signs of life, and aid their Romanian Allies?
First of all their is no way Bulgaria can fight Greece. In Bulgaria communism just fell and their military isnt in much shape (wiki says it was better than Romania and Hungary though). Greece didnt experience a complete political overhaul and due to being on the outskirts of NATO had a decent enough military, enough to defeat Bulgaria certainly. Maybe Bulgaria might get involved in Romania though.

Now Russia, if anything Romania wont be their ally. Romania supported Moldova which just fought a war against Russian backed Transdnistra (however you spell it), and against Russian troops a year ago in 1992. Russia knows its weak so supporting Romania against western aligned Hungary isnt really a smart move.
 
First of all their is no way Bulgaria can fight Greece. In Bulgaria communism just fell and their military isnt in much shape (wiki says it was better than Romania and Hungary though). Greece didnt experience a complete political overhaul and due to being on the outskirts of NATO had a decent enough military, enough to defeat Bulgaria certainly. Maybe Bulgaria might get involved in Romania though.

Now Russia, if anything Romania wont be their ally. Romania supported Moldova which just fought a war against Russian backed Transdnistra (however you spell it), and against Russian troops a year ago in 1992. Russia knows its weak so supporting Romania against western aligned Hungary isnt really a smart move.

Romania may have some irredentists claims on southern Dobrudja in Bulgaria. Really, the entire region could go to shit at any moment if everyone starts trying to establish Greater Balkan State. :rolleyes:
 
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