The Holy Roman Empire of the Crown of St. Stephen

Hungarians defeated German troops in the battle on the river Lech. Is there a chance for situation in which the Hungarian ruler takes the imperial crown ? How would looked then Hungarian political relations in Europe ? Do in such circumstances, Poland could become an ally of the imperial Hungary ? What then of the statehood of Germany - is broken, or remains a one monarchy ?
 
A victory at Lechfeld won't give the Hungarians the imperial title, because they aren't Christian yet.
 
It depends on how long they would maintained dominance over Germany, and also, whether have noticed the benefits of Christianization.
 
It depends on how long they would maintained dominance over Germany, and also, whether have noticed the benefits of Christianization.
Let's see.

The Hungarians have just defeated the greatest power in Western Christendom. Given the OTL casualties at Lechfeld, the Germans are probably suffering a leadership crisis.

To the north, the Hungarians have pagan Poles. To the east, they have pluralist Pechenegs. To the south and west, they have Christians, but they've just beaten up their champion and can continue to raid its territory whenever they want.

What incentive do they have to convert to Christianity, beholding themselves to the Patriarchs, in the short term?

In the longer term, things are less predictable, but every year that the Pope doesn't grant imperium is one more year separating the last Holy Roman Emperor from the present, making the revival of the title less and less likely.
 
Those Christians to the south gave the Hungarians as good as they got, there is a rason why Hungarians did not raid the lands of the south Slavs.
 
Winning at the Lechfeld does not mean that Hungary dominates Germany (talking of which at this point in time is misleading as well), though. The Hungarians raided "Germany", and German princes sometimes paid them not to. If Lechfeld is lost then the raids will continue until someone else defeats the Hungarians.

In any case, the HRE as we know it might be butterflied away. It's true that a large percentage of the leadership of the dukedoms will perish, and what little central leadership there was may be lost. If the Hungarians change their tactic from raiding to conquest, then a large South-eastern European entity may arise that could win the imperial crown.
 
I agree with Monty Burns that the HRE (as we know it:)) might be butterflied away.
The battle of Lechfeld was a few years before OTL Otto the Great became Holy Roman Emperor. ITTL the union between the German Kingdom, Kingdom of Italy and the Holy Roman Empire might not happen or might not last that long.
 
Those Christians to the south gave the Hungarians as good as they got, there is a rason why Hungarians did not raid the lands of the south Slavs.

Didn't raid the Byzantines much either.

If memory serves though, the Bulgarians called in another group to drive off the Hungarians when the Byzantines called on the Hungarians to beat up the Bulgars.

Still. The southern Christians won't care that the German king is at best humiliated and at worst very dead.
 
I suspect the opposite would happen:

~ Otto and a lot of German nobles and fighters die, the cohesion of the German tribal duchies mnight be severly compromised. The whole Ottonian, Salian and Staufen eras might be butterflied away, with the duchies developing directly into rather independent principalities. OTOH,. a smaller *Germany might be more cohesive.

~ Instead of the East Franks, the West Franks/French unite with Burgundy and Italy, morphing into a HRE. But over time the conflicts with the papacy, with ambitious nobles chip away the power of the emperors. They have to secure their nobilities support to cross the Alps and get crowned, to cross the Pyrenees and fight the Moors. Maybe the Peers de France (Normandy, Burgundy, Guyenne, Champagne, Flanders, Toulouse, the Ab of Reims plus five bishops) develop into similar like OTL's German Prince Electors.

~ Regarding the Magyars: Might happen to them what had happened before to the Huns and Avars: After a victory at the Lech, they remain a plundering nomad nation, spending their manpower over he decades until they are burned out a century later and are forced back to the east or thouroughly subjugated by the next wave of nomads arriving? (That would be Pechenegs or Cumans, probably?)
 
Didn't raid the Byzantines much either.

If memory serves though, the Bulgarians called in another group to drive off the Hungarians when the Byzantines called on the Hungarians to beat up the Bulgars.

Still. The southern Christians won't care that the German king is at best humiliated and at worst very dead.

Exactly, especialy the last part.
 
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