The Hitler is Polish Question?

nbcman

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Hitler is born in a rural town in Poland. What exactly would change in this TL?
What part of "Poland" was he born in since there was no Poland in 1889? Posen, Prussia or Silesia province (German), former Congress Poland (Russia), Galicia (Austro-Hungarian)?
 
What part of "Poland" was he born in since there was no Poland in 1889? Posen, Prussia or Silesia province (German), former Congress Poland (Russia), Galicia (Austro-Hungarian)?

Presumably his parents move to Austrian Galicia for some reason. If he still moves to Vienna at some point his racism is probably not too different, though in Mein Kampf he might emphasize Anti-Polish racism more. OTL Poles are barely mentioned, with Czechs receiving the brunt of his anti-Slavic racism. If he still becomes Fuhrer he might have a harsher foreign policy towards Poland in the 1930s, so there might not be a non-aggression pact between the two countries, for example.
 
Hitler is born in a rural town in Poland. What exactly would change in this TL?

It really depend on how he's raised and how he interact with the local Poles, Ruthenians and Jews. Hitler's father was a civil servant, as such Hitler would be unlikely to interact much with working class people. But he may have some interaction with Polish and Jewish middle class people. But one thing is sure he doesn't develop his views if Jews based on the impoverish Working class Jews of Vienna, because he will already interact with that group in childhood.

Next as Hitler growing up on the eastern frontier he may not end up romantizing Wild West literature as much as he did,
 
If Hitler's parents settled in Galizia he may end as Pole. Catholic Germans in Galizia were quickly assimilating into Polish population due to lack of German Catholic clergy. If he stays in Poland he will be just Mr. Nobody, history would not notice him. If he still moves to Vienna and returns to his German roots-hard to tell. Arthur Greiser, gauleiter of Warthegau during ww2, who persecuted Poles more than any other gauleiter, was born in Posen and spoken Polish fluently. Still, relations between Poles and Germans in Posen and West Prussia were quite different from these in Austrian or Russian Poland.
 
Is there possibility that Hitler would adopt more classical German Imperial policy, rather than nazism? 1914 borders, A-L back to Germany, rather then Lebensraum insanity? I mean, in this scenario he would be Prussian, and that fact would greatly shape his thinking.
 

The Avenger

Banned
Hitler is born in a rural town in Poland. What exactly would change in this TL?
If he was born in Posen Province (historically a part of Poland), it's possible that he would be even more passionately into Lebensraum than he was in our TL since he'd personally see the "failure" of Germany's effort to Germanize Posen. If he hates Poles more, this could affect the late 1930s by having Poland be the one who is sacrificed at Munich. Then, Hitler might be able to have his war with the USSR without Western military intervention.
 

The Avenger

Banned
Is there possibility that Hitler would adopt more classical German Imperial policy, rather than nazism? 1914 borders, A-L back to Germany, rather then Lebensraum insanity? I mean, in this scenario he would be Prussian, and that fact would greatly shape his thinking.
Prussians also used Poland for Lebensraum, though.
 

The Avenger

Banned
Yes, but I think they can live with some kind of Polish state. Nazis saw Poland as huge farm.
The Nazi views on Poland were shaped by Poland's rejection of Hitler's offer of an alliance in early 1939. Before that, they'd have been content with a Polish puppet state.

As for the Prussians, they participated in the partitions of Poland together with Austria and Russia.
 
The Nazi views on Poland were shaped by Poland's rejection of Hitler's offer of an alliance in early 1939. Before that, they'd have been content with a Polish puppet state.

As for the Prussians, they participated in the partitions of Poland together with Austria and Russia.

Wasn't the plan of imperial Germany to renew Poland after the war in Congress borders, but as a monarchy with the German dynasty? I think the Habsburgs planned something similar.
The problem is that the survival of Poland and Lebensraum are mutually exclusive. Germany can expand only to the east. Hitler would attack Poland regardless of any treaty or international treaty or face radical change in his ideology.
 

The Avenger

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Wasn't the plan of imperial Germany to renew Poland after the war in Congress borders, but as a monarchy with the German dynasty? I think the Habsburgs planned something similar.
The problem is that the survival of Poland and Lebensraum are mutually exclusive. Germany can expand only to the east. Hitler would attack Poland regardless of any treaty or international treaty or face radical change in his ideology.
Yes, Imperial Germany wanted to create a German-puppet Poland.

Also, Germany can get Lebensraum in the Baltic states instead of in Poland. For that matter, Ukraine is also ripe land for Lebensraum--though annexing it to Germany won't work since Poland is in the way!
 
Yes, Imperial Germany wanted to create a German-puppet Poland.

Also, Germany can get Lebensraum in the Baltic states instead of in Poland. For that matter, Ukraine is also ripe land for Lebensraum--though annexing it to Germany won't work since Poland is in the way!

If they beat Soviets.
 
Hitler is born in a rural town in Poland. What exactly would change in this TL?

If it's Austrian Poland (Galicia) probably nothing. He still comes to Vienna, and still develops pretty much the same kind of politics he did in OTL.

If it's Prussian or Russian Poland, we would have to ask what Hitler's ancestors, all of whom seem to have been Austrian, were doing there..
 
If his family was still Catholic in Posen, could that make him hostile to Lutherans (weren't most Germans in Posen Lutherans?)
 
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