The History of Doggerisle

The History of Doggerisle

c10,000 BC
An upwelling beneath the lands between what will become Britain and what will become Denmark, as the glaciers begin their retreat at the end of the Devensian (Wisconsin, or Würm) era, proceeds a bit farther than might have been imagined.

c 4000 BC
There is now an island in the sea, severed from the land to its west as that land is severed from the continent, off the coast of what will become Yorkshire. The bones of many great animals lie beneath its fens, within its peat marshes, for man has roved the island ever since the ice crept back and exposed it. A few settlements of men still remain, for the island is fertile, if wet.

c 1000 BC
Bronze has come to the island. Traders venture out into the stormy seas bringing tin, leaving with salt and hides. Like the inhabitants of the island to the west, the inhabitants of the place are interred with beakers next to their bodies.

c400 BC
Iron has come to the island, at first from the amorphous masses found in bogs, later from clumps dug up from the ground. The language the inhabitants speak can be understood in the lands to the west and south. Later generations will style them the “Celts.”

The hills are topped by rings of berms with log stockades within. There, a chieftain commands the loyalty and authority of the people over to about halfway to the next hill. They trade for gold; the ones near the coast dispatch boats to get fish, or to trade.

325 BC
The first known reference to the island is made in written records. Pytheas of Massilia, a Hellene from the far south, sailing to the island of the Prettanike, and around it, says, “The island of the Skyloi lies between the land of the Prettanike and that of the Guttones. In culture and arts they are more akin to the Prettanike. Their island is some thousand stadia in length, and contains many fens and bogs.” While his work is lost, this passage is quoted by Strabo with the comment that he may have heard it from a Gallic trader.

53 AD
A force led by the proconsul Cn. Hosidius Geta sails from Colchester to the island of Scylia, or as the Romans render it, Cania. It is built around a detachment of legio IX Hispania and includes Batavian auxiliaries.

55 AD
The last fortress of Cania submits. Already, a new settlement is going up on the western end of the island, orginally named Claudia Castra, but changed hurriedly to Neronis Castra when news of the new reign arrived.

60 AD
The Caniai do not rise in parallel with Boudica.


Map of Doggerisle below

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Valdemar II

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Nice idea, of course you will likely see the Frisians or Angles take it over around the fall of Rome. Mostly because it will be thinly populated and rather poor. Personal I find a Frisian takeover most interesting, because it could give us a permanent Frisian state.
 

Nikephoros

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Nice idea, of course you will likely see the Frisians or Angles take it over around the fall of Rome. Mostly because it will be thinly populated and rather poor. Personal I find a Frisian takeover most interesting, because it could give us a permanent Frisian state.

I would like to hear more about the Frisians. A permanent Frisian state seems cool.
 
First of all, that blatantly anachronistic border of the Netherlands is annoying me immensely. The coast is at least 400 years too advanced for the TL.
Also, I would like to see the TL go into more depth, rather than covering 10,060 years in a few sentences. Also, I think you might need to take the butterfly effect more into account than you did.

Lastly, this should go in ASB (all alt-geography does). If it goes there, then the butterfly effect does not matter as much.

But this looks like a very interesting idea. :)
 
Nice idea, of course you will likely see the Frisians or Angles take it over around the fall of Rome. Mostly because it will be thinly populated and rather poor.
Personal I find a Frisian takeover most interesting, because it could give us a permanent Frisian state.
IIRC The last couple Dogger Island Discussions Tended to concenus the 1 AD Inhabitants being closer to the Frisians than the Britannia Celts.
c400 BC
Iron has come to the island, at first from the amorphous masses found in bogs, later from clumps dug up from the ground.
The language the inhabitants speak can be understood in the lands to the west and south. Later generations will style them the “Celts.”
I am not sure that the Dogger banks has any iron Deposits. ?Did you Check on this?
53 AD
A force led by the proconsul Cn. Hosidius Geta sails from Colchester to the island of Scylia, or as the Romans render it, Cania.
It is built around a detachment of legio IX Hispania and includes Batavian auxiliaries.
Any Reason Why Rome is Invading. OTL the Invasion of Britannia was due the their supporting the Rebels in Brittany.
Here I doubt if there is enuff resources on island of Scylia to justify the expense of a simple invasion.
 

Blackwood

Banned
Interesting. I think the Butterfly Effect could be taken a bit more into account, but overall pretty interesting.
 
IIRC The last couple Dogger Island Discussions Tended to concenus the 1 AD Inhabitants being closer to the Frisians than the Britannia Celts.

I am not sure that the Dogger banks has any iron Deposits. ?Did you Check on this?

Bog iron.

Any Reason Why Rome is Invading. OTL the Invasion of Britannia was due the their supporting the Rebels in Brittany.
Here I doubt if there is enuff resources on island of Scylia to justify the expense of a simple invasion.

There are reported to be druids there. Then, Geta figured he could win a quick set of triumphal ornaments.
 
While I don't think this should be tossed quite so readily into the black hole of the ASB section, I do think it would be a more interesting timeline with more butterfly effects.
 

MrP

Banned
I have gradually come round to the idea that ideas that are technically ASB don't necessarily belong in the ASB section. I've come to this view because intriguing premises, such as this, shortly vanish beneath a heap of silly threads.
 
While I don't think this should be tossed quite so readily into the black hole of the ASB section, I do think it would be a more interesting timeline with more butterfly effects.

The ASB section is not a 'black hole' for rubbish TLs.
 
This is going to be a Island of Farmers, Rye, Barley, and Oats, with a few Cows, Pigs, and goats.
By the Time Rome Falls this may be one of the Most Romanized parts of the Empire.
Roman Roads and Towns will stretch from one end of the Island to the Other.
Throughly Christianized. Most people will speak Neo-Latin.

After Rome falls, I see several waves of Warriors invading, only to surcome to the Tranquil life of Farmers, then to be Invaded by the next wave.
 

MrP

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This is going to be a Island of Farmers, Rye, Barley, and Oats, with a few Cows, Pigs, and goats.
By the Time Rome Falls this may be one of the Most Romanized parts of the Empire.
Roman Roads and Towns will stretch from one end of the Island to the Other.
Throughly Christianized. Most people will speak Neo-Latin.

After Rome falls, I see several waves of Warriors invading, only to surcome to the Tranquil life of Farmers, then to be Invaded by the next wave.

I can definitely see a naval base or two because of the island's strategic location.
 
Realistically I think that Doggerisle is likely to become a more strategic, more densely populated version of Ireland that has a repressed Frisian culture rather than a Gaelic one: it is simply too close to England and too far away from anyone else to keep its independence after c. 1500-1600.
 
Certainly a great premise ASB or no, though geographical TLs do have the terribly massive butterflies to consider, I mean the extra resources, peoples from other areas going there instead in the Ice Age, Roman generals being posted there instead of somewhere else, the Saxons et al finding a quicker target, giving Romano-Britain quite a boon. Quite a challenge even if you negate butterflies.
 
I can definitely see a naval base or two because of the island's strategic location.
Don't doubt the Strategic Importance, or the Military/Naval Bases.
However a Sand/Gravel Bar that is barely above Sea Level is not resource Rich.
While there may be some Light Industry, It will mostly be somebodies Bread Basket.

?Wonder if Norway could hold on to it?
 
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