The Himmelstuermer - did it exist?

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  1. zeezack Well-Known Member

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    I am working on a documentary and I have an opportunity to interview Glenn Martin of the Martin P12 Jetpack.

    I have found some interesting links to the Himmelstuermer project. Did it really exist? Did the American's confiscate basic prototypes? What would it have meant if these were mass-produced for the war and for now in terms of Commercial applications?


    http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/HIMMELSTURMER.htm
    http://www.dieselpunks.org/profiles/blogs/the-himmelstuermer-flightpack
    http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/05/ho...oled-the-internet-with-nazi-jetpack-soldiers/

    Does anyone have any patent jpg's for these pre-1950 jetpacks?
     
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  2. Japhy Second Best Poster on the Site Banned

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    No. Full Stop.
     
  3. zeezack Well-Known Member

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    What stopped them from looking at the idea of strapping rockets to the backs of soldiers? Not saying it wouldn't be very dangerous. How do you know? Also - does anyone have information on any patents on Jetpacks prior to 1950's?
     
  4. Saphroneth Just don't ask me to write a normal world Banned

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    Fuel requirements for lifting a person are too extensive.
    There'd be a giant mothering rocket engine firing within inches of the person's skin.
    Pulse jets are hard enough to make large, let alone small.
    As one of your links points out, the whole thing is a fake created by a holocaust denier who also contends that the Nazis had UFOs.
     
  5. zeezack Well-Known Member

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    I see thank you for the information.

    Well what about the 1919 jetpack? Does anyone know what it could have looked like - if it was designed/built? Trying to get a visual understanding - I'd imagine it was a direct rocket on your back approach?

    Andreyev[edit]

    The first jet pack was developed in 1919 by the Russian inventor Aleksandr Fyodorovich Andreyev. The project was thought-of highly by Nikolai Rynin and technology historians Yu. V. Biryukov and S. V. Golotyuk. Later it was issued a patent but apparently was not built or tested.[1]

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=A...=1280&bih=899&dpr=1#q=Andreyev+jetpack+patent
    http://suziquazar.com/2013/05/sunday-science-dude-wheres-my-jetpack/
    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...dir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=jetpack andreev&f=false

    Hyperthetically - if the jetpack did get made - however dangerous - could it have helped change the course of ww2? If the Nazi's had jetpack tech
     
  6. Michel Van Well-Known Member

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    to real thing
    after the WW2 allot story were tell about Nazi super weapon

    one was that Nazi build a rocketbelt for jumps over river or other obstacles
    it consist out to two rockets engine, one on back the second attached with fueltanks on chest
    with hand valves control flow rate of fuel and so thrust
    the other were a Jetpack called "Himmelstürmer" (Heaven stormer) with singel Schmidt pulseengine
    but this had to be use by Wehrmacht engineer units only for cross minefields, barbed wire obstacles, and bridgeless waters.
    NEVER during this project was this intended for infantry use.
    So those Belts bekame a myth like Nazi Flying Saucer

    this here is very bad photoshop of a model kid to look vintage nazi stile photo
    the maker got a F form me
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    here photo of that model
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    even had the US found the prototypes, after study those things for 10 minutes, they would it put away in this warehouse….
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  7. Garrison Well-Known Member

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    You know looking at that warehouse I think its located in South Dakota...
     
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    Weren't the Germans more interested in Helipacks?
     
  9. Saphroneth Just don't ask me to write a normal world Banned

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    I almost wish they HAD adopted the heliofly. It would have produced some great Allied war stories about unfortunate encounters with trees, and you just know the unit given them would have been SS.