The Guns of the Tawantinsuya
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Great Arguments, It would be interesting how the us itself develops without the envolvment of Washington and Jefferson. I still think that the south would most likely be even more loyalist in TTL and not rebel...but What about the Northern Canadain Colonies, is there any way could we have them rebel as well?
Historico said:
I myself have been rethinking that particular item. Upon doing some research on the Loyalists in the South (and elsewhere), they tended to have certain characteristics. They tended to be 1) Anglican and 2) upper class or upper middle class land owners. So the elimination of slavery might actually make the South LESS loyalist than in OTL. Most of the Scots-Irish and black farmers who settle the South after the abolition of slavery are going to be non-Anglican, and the vast majority will be small farmers rather than large landowners. Such people tended to side with the Patriots in OTL.
So, contrary to my original thoughts, the South probably does support the Revolution to a much greater degree than in OTL.
Where we probably find a difference is that the lack of a planter class, which had the leisure time to devote to such things and was more educated and sophisticated than the small farmers were, means that the South simply doesn't produce eloquent spokesmen for liberty as it did in OTL with Thomas Jefferson or Patrick Henry. The South remains a rude, country backwater, and the voices that animate the Revolution come exclusively from the North instead.
That doesn't mean that the South won't contribute to the cause, of course. Regiments of tough Scots-Irish and black frontiersmen commanded by analogs of Daniel Morgan, George Rogers Clark, William Moultrie and Francis Marion would certainly make a great contribution to the war effort.
Historico said:
I don't see why they would be any more likely to do so in the ATL than in OTL. Most of the population of those provinces are recently conquered French settlers, who thoroughly distrust their former enemies in the original British colonies.
Wendell said:
Possibly some. Some planters might have been able to survive until the 1770s by adapting to the new labor situation by going to the "medieval manor" mode of operation, as I stated in the original text I posted. So there probably is a small planter class in Virginia. They just don't have as much influence as in OTL, and no planter class really exists in the Carolinas or Georgia.
So we may get a few Southern spokesmen from Virginia. They just won't be the same ones as OTL, in all likelihood.
THE GUNS OF THE TAWANTINSUYA, PART THREE...1700-1750
c. 1700 onward--The effects of the abolition of slavery in the English colonies on the population of those colonies, particularly in the American South, continues to grow. The butterflies caused by this have meant that some important Southern figures of OTL, such as Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Patrick Henry, were never born. Others, such as George Washington, were born, but ended up in different careers (Washington continued to work as a surveyor throughout his life, never became wealthy, and never became an officer. He will later fight in the American Revolution...as a sergeant in the Virginia militia). Others, such as George Rogers Clark and Daniel Morgan, will go on to fulfill roles similar to those they played in OTL. There will be contributions made by people who did not exist in OTL but were created by the butterflies as well. But the impact of these changes will be strongly felt later on, particularly during the American Revolution.
A.D. 1700--Charles XII of Sweden starts the Great Northern War against Russia. King
Charles II of Spain dies childless. End of the Habsburg line of Spanish Kings. King
Louis XIV of France installs his grandon, Phillipe of Anjou, on the Spanish throne as
King Philip V of Spain. Beginning of the Spanish Bourbon dynasty.
A.D. 1701--Antoine de la Mothe Cadillac (1658-1730) establishes a French colony at
Detroit, Michigan. Frederick I of the House of Hohenzollern, Elector of Brandenburg, is
crowned King of Prussia. Also in this year, Zumbi is assassinated by a rival chieftain.
Within a short time, civil war breaks out in the Quilombo, as rival tribal groups, no longer
held together by the charismatic personality of Zumbi, go for each other’s throats.
A.D. 1701-1713--War of the Spanish Succession (known in North America as Queen
Anne’s War) breaks out as most of the other great powers of Europe, fearing the potential
power of a Franco-Spanish combination, oppose the installation of Phillipe of Anjou on
the Spanish throne. The Tawantinsuya, fully occupied wth the disturbances in the
Quilombo, remain neutral.
A.D. 1702--Anne, last monarch of the Stuart line, becomes Queen of England.
A.D. 1702-1705--Huascar Inca, who is dismayed by the bloodletting which is going on in
the Quilombo, sends in the Tawantinsuya military to restore order and prevent the
European powers from getting any ideas about intervention of their own. After a
hard-fought campaign lasting three years, the Tawantinsuya end the civil war in the
Quilombo, and set about creating a stable government there. Eventually the Quilombo,
under the guidance of the Tawantinsuya, will establish a government loosely patterned on
that of England. Each tribal group is granted a territory within the Quilombo, and each
territory elects a representative to a Great Assembly. The Great Assembly selects
annually a Great Chief who will exercise the chief executive/magisterial function of
government for one year. The system will eventually work well, but the road to that point
is bumpy as the tribal hatreds brought over from the “old country” are slow to die. The
Tawantinsuya therefore find themselves acting as peacekeepers in the Quilombo for quite
some time to come.
A.D. 1702-1708--The old and new English East India companies reach a settlement. They
unite into one body—The Union Company of Merchants of English Trading in the East
Indies. Once again, the Tawantinsuya renew their partnership in the new company, which
becomes the Union Company of English and Tawantinsuya Merchants Trading in the
East Indies. Most people still refer to it simply as the English and Tawantinsuya East
India Company.
A.D. 1703--St. Petersburg made capital of Russia.
A.D. 1704--Battle of Blenheim—Duke of Marlborough defeats French. Isaac Newton
publishes OPTICKS, in which he proposes the particle theory of light. Deerfield,
Massachusetts destroyed by French and Indian raiders from Canada in another horrible
massacre of men, women and children.
A.D. 1705--Edmund Halley (1656-1742) predicts cyclic return of Halley's Comet.
A.D. 1707--Death of Aurangzeb, Emperor of Mughal India at its height. Act of Union
unites the thrones of England and Scotland, creating the United Kingdom of Great
Britain. Charlestown, South Carolina successfully defended against attack by French and
Spanish fleets.
A.D. 1709--Russians rout Swedes at Battle of Poltava, ending Swedish dominance.
Russia emerges on the European stage as a great power. In England, Abraham Darby uses
coke to smelt iron ore, replacing wood and charcoal as fuel.
A.D. 1711--The South Sea Company is set up in England. It is granted a monopoly over
English trade with the Quilombo, as well as trade with certain Tawantinsuya ports and
with the South Sea Islands. The company profits handsomely by importing cacao, sugar,
and coca leaves into England and exporting English-made textiles and other manufactures
to the Quilombo and the Tawantinsuya.
A.D. 1712--Thomas Newcomen introduces the first commercially successful steam
engine. It is sold to owners of coal mines, who use it to pump water from the mines, and
fuel it with coal from the mines themselves, which allows the engine to be economically
feasible despite being extremely inefficient in it’s fuel consumption. Also at this time, the
independent state of Hyderabad is established, one of many Muslim and Hindu states to
emerge amid the rapid decline of Mughal centralized authority and political chaos in
India.
A.D. 1712-1713--Tuscarora Indian War in North and South Carolina. War partly caused
by English slave raiding.
A.D. 1713--Treaty of Utrecht ends the War of the Spanish Succession. Frederick
William I becomes next King of Prussia. Frederick William will spend most of his reign
building up the Prussian army, which will be, by the end of his reign, possibly the finest
in Europe and an instrument of which his son will make great use.
A.D. 1714--Gabriel Fahrenheit (1686-1736) invents mercury thermometer. In England,
Queen Anne, last monarch of the Stuart line, dies. George, Elector of Hanover, becomes
George I, King of England.
A.D. 1715--Death of King Louis XIV of France. Accession of Louis XV to the throne.
The new King’s leadership skills are not anywhere near equal to those of his predecessor,
and he has the additional liability of having inherited a treasury depleted by Louis XIV’s
numerous wars. His reign will prove a disaster for France. Jacobite Rebellion in
Scotland is defeated by the troops of King George I. Also in this year, Yamassee Indians
kill several hundred settlers in South Carolina in retaliation for slave raiding.
A.D. 1716--First Freemason Grand Lodge established in Britain. South Carolina settlers
and their Cherokee allies defeat the Yamassee. The Yamassee are virtually annihilated.
A.D. 1717--Jean Watteau (1684-1721), “Departure for the Island of Cythera.” Scots-Irich
immigration into North America begins. Most settle initially in Pennsylvania, from
which they will begin spreading, via backwoods trails, throughout the South and
mid-West.
A.D. 1718--French found New Orleans, in their Louisiana provinces. City of San Antonio
founded by the Spanish in Texas.
A.D. 1719--Daniel Defoe writes "Robinson Crusoe" (first "real" novel). A second major
discovery of gold is made in the Quilombo, in the region which in OTL would be called
Mato Grosso. The South Sea Company offers to assume the entire national debt of
England, offering it’s own stock in exchange for government bonds, by which it hopes to
make a handsome profit. An incredible wave a speculation results, helped along by
fraudulent and wildly inflated claims about the profitability of the company, which causes
the price of South Sea Company stock to soar.
A.D. 1720--Collapse of "South Sea Bubble" trading empire. Confidence in the ability of
the South Sea Company to pay it’s obligations leads to a collapse of the stock price.
Banks fail when they can not collect loans on inflated stock, prices of stock fall,
thousands are ruined (including many members of the government), and fraud in the
South Sea Company is exposed. Robert Walpole becomes first lord of the treasury and
chancellor of the exchequer and starts a series of measures to restore the credit of the
company and to reorganize it (indeed, the company will survive the bursting of the bubble
and continue in business for over another century). The bursting of the bubble ends the
prevalent belief that prosperity can be achieved through unlimited expansion of credit.
Legislation is soon after enacted that forbids unincorporated joint stock enterprise. Also
in this year, Sir Edmund Halley becomes Astronomer Royal. The French build forts on
the Mississippi, Niagra, and St. Lawrence Rivers.
A.D. 1720-1722--Spain occupies Texas.
A.D. 1721--South Carolina becomes English Colony. Peter the Great made Emperor of
Russia. Russia takes Livonia and Estonia from Swedes at end of Great Northern War. Sir
Robert Walpole becomes first British Prime Minister of Great Britain. In Boston, a
smallpox epidemic prompts Cotton Mather and Zabdiel Boylston to experiment with
inoculation against the disease. Mather had learned of the practice from one of his black
indentured servants, who had himself been inoculated as a child and knew inoculation to
be a widely accepted medical practice in Africa. A Tawantinsuya trader, having observed
the effectiveness of this in Boston, brings the practice back to the Tawantinsuyu Empire,
where smallpox epidemics are still a major problem. Deaths from smallpox dramatically
decline in the Empire as a result.
A.D. 1722--Dutch are first Europeans to visit Easter Island.
A.D. 1725--Death of Peter the Great of Russia. Yet another major discovery of gold is
made in the Quilombo, this time in the region which would be called Goias in OTL.
A.D. 1726--Jonathan Swift (1667–1745), “Gulliver's Travels.” Also in this year, Huascar
Inca dies, and is succeeded by his son, who reigns as Tupahualpa Inca.
A.D. 1727--Death of King George I of Great Britain. His son assumes the throne as King
George II.
A.D. 1727-1728--Anglo-Spanish War; England's possession of Gibraltar confirmed,
1729.
A.D. 1728-1741--Voyages of Vitus Bering, a Danish officer serving in the Russian Navy,
exploring the far northern reaches of the Pacific Ocean. The Aleutian Islands and Alaska
are discovered in 1741, and claimed as a colony by Russia shortly thereafter.
A.D. 1729--North Carolina becomes English Colony. In France, Voltaire begins to
preach ideas of political freedom...quite a controversial idea in that place and time.
A.D. 1732--Under the leadership of James Oglethorpe, Georgia is chartered as a colony
for England’s debtors, who are given the choice between settling there or languishing in
debtor’s prison. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) begins publication of “Poor Richard's
Almanack.”
A.D. 1733--Jethro Tull advances new agricultural practices.
A.D. 1734--Voltaire (1694-1778), “Lettres philosophiques.” Jonathan Edwards begins
preaching fiery sermons to crowds in Northampton, Massachusetts. This begins the
religious revival movement known as the Great Awakening.
A.D. 1739--Persian army sacks Delhi and all but ends Mughal power.
A.D. 1739-1742--The War of Jenkins’ Ear between Britain and Spain.
A.D. 1740--Maria Theresa becomes Empress of Austria. Frederick II (the Great) becomes
King of Prussia. Governor James Oglethorpe of the new British colony of Georgia leads
an invasion of Spanish Florida. He attempts, but fails, to take St. Augustine.
A.D. 1740-1748--War of the Austrian Succession, begun by Frederick II (the Great)'s
occupation of Silesia.
A.D. 1741--The Tawantinsuyu Empire enters the War of Jenkins’ Ear against Spain.
Tawantinsuya participation will be mainly naval, and several battles between
Tawantinsuya and Spanish fleets will take place off the Pacific coast of Mexico and in the
Caribbean. Tawantinsuya marine infantry will also be landed along the coast of Mexico,
where they will burn several coastal towns.
A.D. 1742--The Spanish invade Georgia from Florida, attacking Fort Frederica on St.
Simon’s Island. They are defeated by James Oglethorpe’s English forces at the Battle of
Bloody Marsh, and retreat back to Florida. This will be the last time Spain will contest
England’s claim to Georgia and the Carolinas.
A.D. 1743--Battle of Dettingen. The English forces at the battle are commanded by none
other than King George II, marking the last time that a British monarch will personally
lead troops in battle. Also in this year, Tupahualpa Inca dies, and is succeeded by Sinchi
Roca Inca II. Sinchi Roca enters negotiations with Spain to end the war between that
country and the Tawantinsuyu Empire.
A.D. 1744--The Treaty of Cuzco ends the war between Spain and the Tawantinsuyu
Empire. As the fighting between the two had been mainly inconclusive, the Treaty does
not provide major gains to either side. The Tawantinsuya do gain the islands of Trinidad
and Margarita, which had been occupied by Tawantinsuya marines during the war
(Spanish naval vessels operating from these islands had been a nuisance to Tawantinsuya
shipping for quite some time).
A.D. 1744-1745--Second Silesian war between Prussia and Austria.
A.D. 1745--Francis Stephen of Lorraine (spouse of Empress Maria Theresa) elected Holy
Roman Emperor. Battle of Fontenoy, a French victory. British capture the French
fortress of Louisbourg, on Cape Breton Island at the mouth of the St. Lawrence River.
Prince Charles Stuart, known to history as “Bonnie Prince Charlie,” lands in Scotland and
calls the Highland clans to his banner. Beginning of the Scottish Jacobite Rebellion of
1745. French from Canada attack and burn Saratoga, New York.
A.D. 1746--French-British fighting in India intensifies when a French fleet seizes Madras
in 1746, but hostilities end in stalemate and the French return Madras to the British in
1748. Also in this year, the Battle of Culloden ends the Jacobite rebellion of 1745.
Beginning of great persecutions of the Scottish Highlanders and suppression of their
culture. Foundation of The Presbyterian College of New Jersey, in 1896 renamed
Princeton University.
A.D. 1748--Treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle ends War of Austrian Succession. A Tawantinsuya
trading vessel, headed for the East Indies, is blown off course and discovers the Hawaiian
Islands. The Tawantinsuya establish friendly relations with the natives, but leave behind
a most unwelcome legacy...smallpox...which decimates the islanders over the next few
decades.
c. A.D. 1750 onward--The Mughal Empire has disintegrated, after Delhi was plundered
by the Muslim forces of Persian king Nadir Shah in 1739, and Delhi was again captured
in 1756 by Ahmad Shah, emir of Afghanistan, who had previously seized the Punjab. A
united of force of Marathas and Sikhs could not defeat the invaders, and the possibility of
a reunification of Indian peoples into a strong national state dims. India thereafter comes
increasingly under domination by the British and Tawantinsuya East India Company.
c. 1700 onward--The effects of the abolition of slavery in the English colonies on the population of those colonies, particularly in the American South, continues to grow. The butterflies caused by this have meant that some important Southern figures of OTL, such as Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Patrick Henry, were never born. Others, such as George Washington, were born, but ended up in different careers (Washington continued to work as a surveyor throughout his life, never became wealthy, and never became an officer. He will later fight in the American Revolution...as a sergeant in the Virginia militia). Others, such as George Rogers Clark and Daniel Morgan, will go on to fulfill roles similar to those they played in OTL. There will be contributions made by people who did not exist in OTL but were created by the butterflies as well. But the impact of these changes will be strongly felt later on, particularly during the American Revolution.
A.D. 1700--Charles XII of Sweden starts the Great Northern War against Russia. King
Charles II of Spain dies childless. End of the Habsburg line of Spanish Kings. King
Louis XIV of France installs his grandon, Phillipe of Anjou, on the Spanish throne as
King Philip V of Spain. Beginning of the Spanish Bourbon dynasty.
A.D. 1701--Antoine de la Mothe Cadillac (1658-1730) establishes a French colony at
Detroit, Michigan. Frederick I of the House of Hohenzollern, Elector of Brandenburg, is
crowned King of Prussia. Also in this year, Zumbi is assassinated by a rival chieftain.
Within a short time, civil war breaks out in the Quilombo, as rival tribal groups, no longer
held together by the charismatic personality of Zumbi, go for each other’s throats.
A.D. 1701-1713--War of the Spanish Succession (known in North America as Queen
Anne’s War) breaks out as most of the other great powers of Europe, fearing the potential
power of a Franco-Spanish combination, oppose the installation of Phillipe of Anjou on
the Spanish throne. The Tawantinsuya, fully occupied wth the disturbances in the
Quilombo, remain neutral.
A.D. 1702--Anne, last monarch of the Stuart line, becomes Queen of England.
A.D. 1702-1705--Huascar Inca, who is dismayed by the bloodletting which is going on in
the Quilombo, sends in the Tawantinsuya military to restore order and prevent the
European powers from getting any ideas about intervention of their own. After a
hard-fought campaign lasting three years, the Tawantinsuya end the civil war in the
Quilombo, and set about creating a stable government there. Eventually the Quilombo,
under the guidance of the Tawantinsuya, will establish a government loosely patterned on
that of England. Each tribal group is granted a territory within the Quilombo, and each
territory elects a representative to a Great Assembly. The Great Assembly selects
annually a Great Chief who will exercise the chief executive/magisterial function of
government for one year. The system will eventually work well, but the road to that point
is bumpy as the tribal hatreds brought over from the “old country” are slow to die. The
Tawantinsuya therefore find themselves acting as peacekeepers in the Quilombo for quite
some time to come.
A.D. 1702-1708--The old and new English East India companies reach a settlement. They
unite into one body—The Union Company of Merchants of English Trading in the East
Indies. Once again, the Tawantinsuya renew their partnership in the new company, which
becomes the Union Company of English and Tawantinsuya Merchants Trading in the
East Indies. Most people still refer to it simply as the English and Tawantinsuya East
India Company.
A.D. 1703--St. Petersburg made capital of Russia.
A.D. 1704--Battle of Blenheim—Duke of Marlborough defeats French. Isaac Newton
publishes OPTICKS, in which he proposes the particle theory of light. Deerfield,
Massachusetts destroyed by French and Indian raiders from Canada in another horrible
massacre of men, women and children.
A.D. 1705--Edmund Halley (1656-1742) predicts cyclic return of Halley's Comet.
A.D. 1707--Death of Aurangzeb, Emperor of Mughal India at its height. Act of Union
unites the thrones of England and Scotland, creating the United Kingdom of Great
Britain. Charlestown, South Carolina successfully defended against attack by French and
Spanish fleets.
A.D. 1709--Russians rout Swedes at Battle of Poltava, ending Swedish dominance.
Russia emerges on the European stage as a great power. In England, Abraham Darby uses
coke to smelt iron ore, replacing wood and charcoal as fuel.
A.D. 1711--The South Sea Company is set up in England. It is granted a monopoly over
English trade with the Quilombo, as well as trade with certain Tawantinsuya ports and
with the South Sea Islands. The company profits handsomely by importing cacao, sugar,
and coca leaves into England and exporting English-made textiles and other manufactures
to the Quilombo and the Tawantinsuya.
A.D. 1712--Thomas Newcomen introduces the first commercially successful steam
engine. It is sold to owners of coal mines, who use it to pump water from the mines, and
fuel it with coal from the mines themselves, which allows the engine to be economically
feasible despite being extremely inefficient in it’s fuel consumption. Also at this time, the
independent state of Hyderabad is established, one of many Muslim and Hindu states to
emerge amid the rapid decline of Mughal centralized authority and political chaos in
India.
A.D. 1712-1713--Tuscarora Indian War in North and South Carolina. War partly caused
by English slave raiding.
A.D. 1713--Treaty of Utrecht ends the War of the Spanish Succession. Frederick
William I becomes next King of Prussia. Frederick William will spend most of his reign
building up the Prussian army, which will be, by the end of his reign, possibly the finest
in Europe and an instrument of which his son will make great use.
A.D. 1714--Gabriel Fahrenheit (1686-1736) invents mercury thermometer. In England,
Queen Anne, last monarch of the Stuart line, dies. George, Elector of Hanover, becomes
George I, King of England.
A.D. 1715--Death of King Louis XIV of France. Accession of Louis XV to the throne.
The new King’s leadership skills are not anywhere near equal to those of his predecessor,
and he has the additional liability of having inherited a treasury depleted by Louis XIV’s
numerous wars. His reign will prove a disaster for France. Jacobite Rebellion in
Scotland is defeated by the troops of King George I. Also in this year, Yamassee Indians
kill several hundred settlers in South Carolina in retaliation for slave raiding.
A.D. 1716--First Freemason Grand Lodge established in Britain. South Carolina settlers
and their Cherokee allies defeat the Yamassee. The Yamassee are virtually annihilated.
A.D. 1717--Jean Watteau (1684-1721), “Departure for the Island of Cythera.” Scots-Irich
immigration into North America begins. Most settle initially in Pennsylvania, from
which they will begin spreading, via backwoods trails, throughout the South and
mid-West.
A.D. 1718--French found New Orleans, in their Louisiana provinces. City of San Antonio
founded by the Spanish in Texas.
A.D. 1719--Daniel Defoe writes "Robinson Crusoe" (first "real" novel). A second major
discovery of gold is made in the Quilombo, in the region which in OTL would be called
Mato Grosso. The South Sea Company offers to assume the entire national debt of
England, offering it’s own stock in exchange for government bonds, by which it hopes to
make a handsome profit. An incredible wave a speculation results, helped along by
fraudulent and wildly inflated claims about the profitability of the company, which causes
the price of South Sea Company stock to soar.
A.D. 1720--Collapse of "South Sea Bubble" trading empire. Confidence in the ability of
the South Sea Company to pay it’s obligations leads to a collapse of the stock price.
Banks fail when they can not collect loans on inflated stock, prices of stock fall,
thousands are ruined (including many members of the government), and fraud in the
South Sea Company is exposed. Robert Walpole becomes first lord of the treasury and
chancellor of the exchequer and starts a series of measures to restore the credit of the
company and to reorganize it (indeed, the company will survive the bursting of the bubble
and continue in business for over another century). The bursting of the bubble ends the
prevalent belief that prosperity can be achieved through unlimited expansion of credit.
Legislation is soon after enacted that forbids unincorporated joint stock enterprise. Also
in this year, Sir Edmund Halley becomes Astronomer Royal. The French build forts on
the Mississippi, Niagra, and St. Lawrence Rivers.
A.D. 1720-1722--Spain occupies Texas.
A.D. 1721--South Carolina becomes English Colony. Peter the Great made Emperor of
Russia. Russia takes Livonia and Estonia from Swedes at end of Great Northern War. Sir
Robert Walpole becomes first British Prime Minister of Great Britain. In Boston, a
smallpox epidemic prompts Cotton Mather and Zabdiel Boylston to experiment with
inoculation against the disease. Mather had learned of the practice from one of his black
indentured servants, who had himself been inoculated as a child and knew inoculation to
be a widely accepted medical practice in Africa. A Tawantinsuya trader, having observed
the effectiveness of this in Boston, brings the practice back to the Tawantinsuyu Empire,
where smallpox epidemics are still a major problem. Deaths from smallpox dramatically
decline in the Empire as a result.
A.D. 1722--Dutch are first Europeans to visit Easter Island.
A.D. 1725--Death of Peter the Great of Russia. Yet another major discovery of gold is
made in the Quilombo, this time in the region which would be called Goias in OTL.
A.D. 1726--Jonathan Swift (1667–1745), “Gulliver's Travels.” Also in this year, Huascar
Inca dies, and is succeeded by his son, who reigns as Tupahualpa Inca.
A.D. 1727--Death of King George I of Great Britain. His son assumes the throne as King
George II.
A.D. 1727-1728--Anglo-Spanish War; England's possession of Gibraltar confirmed,
1729.
A.D. 1728-1741--Voyages of Vitus Bering, a Danish officer serving in the Russian Navy,
exploring the far northern reaches of the Pacific Ocean. The Aleutian Islands and Alaska
are discovered in 1741, and claimed as a colony by Russia shortly thereafter.
A.D. 1729--North Carolina becomes English Colony. In France, Voltaire begins to
preach ideas of political freedom...quite a controversial idea in that place and time.
A.D. 1732--Under the leadership of James Oglethorpe, Georgia is chartered as a colony
for England’s debtors, who are given the choice between settling there or languishing in
debtor’s prison. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) begins publication of “Poor Richard's
Almanack.”
A.D. 1733--Jethro Tull advances new agricultural practices.
A.D. 1734--Voltaire (1694-1778), “Lettres philosophiques.” Jonathan Edwards begins
preaching fiery sermons to crowds in Northampton, Massachusetts. This begins the
religious revival movement known as the Great Awakening.
A.D. 1739--Persian army sacks Delhi and all but ends Mughal power.
A.D. 1739-1742--The War of Jenkins’ Ear between Britain and Spain.
A.D. 1740--Maria Theresa becomes Empress of Austria. Frederick II (the Great) becomes
King of Prussia. Governor James Oglethorpe of the new British colony of Georgia leads
an invasion of Spanish Florida. He attempts, but fails, to take St. Augustine.
A.D. 1740-1748--War of the Austrian Succession, begun by Frederick II (the Great)'s
occupation of Silesia.
A.D. 1741--The Tawantinsuyu Empire enters the War of Jenkins’ Ear against Spain.
Tawantinsuya participation will be mainly naval, and several battles between
Tawantinsuya and Spanish fleets will take place off the Pacific coast of Mexico and in the
Caribbean. Tawantinsuya marine infantry will also be landed along the coast of Mexico,
where they will burn several coastal towns.
A.D. 1742--The Spanish invade Georgia from Florida, attacking Fort Frederica on St.
Simon’s Island. They are defeated by James Oglethorpe’s English forces at the Battle of
Bloody Marsh, and retreat back to Florida. This will be the last time Spain will contest
England’s claim to Georgia and the Carolinas.
A.D. 1743--Battle of Dettingen. The English forces at the battle are commanded by none
other than King George II, marking the last time that a British monarch will personally
lead troops in battle. Also in this year, Tupahualpa Inca dies, and is succeeded by Sinchi
Roca Inca II. Sinchi Roca enters negotiations with Spain to end the war between that
country and the Tawantinsuyu Empire.
A.D. 1744--The Treaty of Cuzco ends the war between Spain and the Tawantinsuyu
Empire. As the fighting between the two had been mainly inconclusive, the Treaty does
not provide major gains to either side. The Tawantinsuya do gain the islands of Trinidad
and Margarita, which had been occupied by Tawantinsuya marines during the war
(Spanish naval vessels operating from these islands had been a nuisance to Tawantinsuya
shipping for quite some time).
A.D. 1744-1745--Second Silesian war between Prussia and Austria.
A.D. 1745--Francis Stephen of Lorraine (spouse of Empress Maria Theresa) elected Holy
Roman Emperor. Battle of Fontenoy, a French victory. British capture the French
fortress of Louisbourg, on Cape Breton Island at the mouth of the St. Lawrence River.
Prince Charles Stuart, known to history as “Bonnie Prince Charlie,” lands in Scotland and
calls the Highland clans to his banner. Beginning of the Scottish Jacobite Rebellion of
1745. French from Canada attack and burn Saratoga, New York.
A.D. 1746--French-British fighting in India intensifies when a French fleet seizes Madras
in 1746, but hostilities end in stalemate and the French return Madras to the British in
1748. Also in this year, the Battle of Culloden ends the Jacobite rebellion of 1745.
Beginning of great persecutions of the Scottish Highlanders and suppression of their
culture. Foundation of The Presbyterian College of New Jersey, in 1896 renamed
Princeton University.
A.D. 1748--Treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle ends War of Austrian Succession. A Tawantinsuya
trading vessel, headed for the East Indies, is blown off course and discovers the Hawaiian
Islands. The Tawantinsuya establish friendly relations with the natives, but leave behind
a most unwelcome legacy...smallpox...which decimates the islanders over the next few
decades.
c. A.D. 1750 onward--The Mughal Empire has disintegrated, after Delhi was plundered
by the Muslim forces of Persian king Nadir Shah in 1739, and Delhi was again captured
in 1756 by Ahmad Shah, emir of Afghanistan, who had previously seized the Punjab. A
united of force of Marathas and Sikhs could not defeat the invaders, and the possibility of
a reunification of Indian peoples into a strong national state dims. India thereafter comes
increasingly under domination by the British and Tawantinsuya East India Company.
Very cool installment. Will Persia and Afghanistan have large parts to play in Asian politics? They seem to be doing very well in TTL.
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My name is kingdobbs, and I approve of this timeline.
Except, I don't really think it's necessary to butterfly people like Madison, Jefferson and Henry out of existence so much as out of prominence. They could be the kind of small holders you've turned Washington into. Maybe they're not the philosophical voice of the Revolution, but the men fighting the revolution from the side of the road.
My name is kingdobbs, and I approve of this timeline.
Except, I don't really think it's necessary to butterfly people like Madison, Jefferson and Henry out of existence so much as out of prominence. They could be the kind of small holders you've turned Washington into. Maybe they're not the philosophical voice of the Revolution, but the men fighting the revolution from the side of the road.
Darkest
Banned
Then again, if you are going to use butterflies, I wouldn't use ANY famous people after say, the 1600s. Because the Americas are just SLIGHTLY different than they were, that means that anyone that returns from that continent is going to act differently, meaning things will happen differently, affecting the whole of history across Eurasia, therefor preventing the ancestors of historical celebrities from meeting. And even if they do meet, they won't raise or even name their children the same.
Tawantinsuya gets simplfied
This remains a very sold series. There is one suggestion and that is I think
Tawantinsuyan is going to get a slang simplification--something like Twantyzu's that is going to become very popular with their British counterparts.
Contrary to some posts I support you in butterflying away the Southern portion of the ARW pantheon--and I would mix having some like GW reduced to obscurity and others consigned to nonexistence.
One other suggestion is something I brought up before. I would see some of the Enlightenment figures taking an exotic fancy to the Twantyzu. I see Voltaire as a likely candidate but maybe Friedrich der Grosse will invite a Twantyzu observer to his court where he creates quite a stir (that sort of thing) Or maybe a lover for Catherine the Great (as if she needs another).
And as for the Brits there might be an attempt to get the Twantyzu seriously interested in Freemasonry. Which will upset the infernal Jesuits even more.
Tom.
This remains a very sold series. There is one suggestion and that is I think
Tawantinsuyan is going to get a slang simplification--something like Twantyzu's that is going to become very popular with their British counterparts.
Contrary to some posts I support you in butterflying away the Southern portion of the ARW pantheon--and I would mix having some like GW reduced to obscurity and others consigned to nonexistence.
One other suggestion is something I brought up before. I would see some of the Enlightenment figures taking an exotic fancy to the Twantyzu. I see Voltaire as a likely candidate but maybe Friedrich der Grosse will invite a Twantyzu observer to his court where he creates quite a stir (that sort of thing) Or maybe a lover for Catherine the Great (as if she needs another).
And as for the Brits there might be an attempt to get the Twantyzu seriously interested in Freemasonry. Which will upset the infernal Jesuits even more.
Tom.
Tom_B said:
That's an entirely possible devlopment.
Tom_B said:
I have been thinking about that, but am sort of stymied as to what impact that might have on the Enlightenment. For one thing, I can't see Voltaire or Rousseau, for example, being greatly enthralled by the Tawantinsuya system of government, which has an emperor ruling by divine right, supported by a strongly hierarchical system of nobility and commoners (although, the Tawantinsuya do have the "aristocracy by examination" system by which commoners can enter the bureaucracy, and thus the aristocracy, by going to school and passing an exam, which some figures in the Enlightenment might find interesting as an alternative to the "aristocracy by birth" system which prevails in Europe). Any suggestions?
Tom_B said:
Very possible.
Wendell said:
Tom_B said:
kingdobbs said:
Darkest90 said:
G.Bone said:
Well, it's obvious we have some disagreement among our readers over the issue of butterflies.
To be honest, while I understand the concept of butterflies, I don't totally agree with it myself. I am not in any way a "purist" on this matter. My own feelings are as follows. I believe that in any totally random system, such as would be created by a butterfly situation, there is a chance that OTL people would continue to be created in an ATL. In some cases these will be genetically identical people to the ones which existed in OTL...i.e. the same sperm and the same egg met at the same time to produce the same person. In others, they will be children of the same OTL parents, but not a genetically identical person...a different sperm and the same egg meet, for example, and the result is given the OTL name of the historical figure in question. So "George Washington" or "George Rogers Clark" in this timeline might not actually be, genetically, the same person as OTL. In either case, however, whether they are genetically identical or not, you still have a "George Washington" or a "George Rogers Clark" who appears in the history. I also believe that some OTL figures would not be born at all, and some OTL figures who are born will have different lives in the ATL. Besides which, the inclusion of some OTL figures, placed in different situations or associating with ATL created figures, makes for an interesting story. So even if such a thing is unlikely according to the "butterfly theory," I think it would be a poor Alternate history which did not make use of this device.
MerryPrankster said:
The roles of Persia and Afghanistan in the ATL so far are virtually identical to OTL. Nothing in the ATL really affects their chances for the future. The British and Tawantinsuya are still going to end up with India in the end. There will be a surprising kink coming up in the next segment though...
Voltaire et al.
Voltaire was capable of some zigzagging esp. if his ego was being stroked. What I think would be working here is what we often see in the modern Left--exotic form of repression are found more charming than the local variety. It could be that Voltaire does not present the Incans are Utopia but merely a step better--a crude form of meritocracy. Also their history of opposing the Catholic Church will appeal to him.
Furthermore if you were to have an Inca express even a limited interest in Voltaire's ideas he would be bedazzled even if this interest is half hearted at best and opposed by much of the court. Inca as Enlightened Despot.
The other side of the coin is likely to be occultism. The Rosiicrucian, Cagliostro, Count de St. Germain, Illuminati, Elpiphas Levi crowd is probably looting the spiritual gold of the Incas. This interaction with Freemasonry would be two way as certain supposed secrets of Incan esotericism get mixed into Speculative Masonic rites.
Which could have an impact on Mozart and Goethe.
Tom
Voltaire was capable of some zigzagging esp. if his ego was being stroked. What I think would be working here is what we often see in the modern Left--exotic form of repression are found more charming than the local variety. It could be that Voltaire does not present the Incans are Utopia but merely a step better--a crude form of meritocracy. Also their history of opposing the Catholic Church will appeal to him.
Furthermore if you were to have an Inca express even a limited interest in Voltaire's ideas he would be bedazzled even if this interest is half hearted at best and opposed by much of the court. Inca as Enlightened Despot.
The other side of the coin is likely to be occultism. The Rosiicrucian, Cagliostro, Count de St. Germain, Illuminati, Elpiphas Levi crowd is probably looting the spiritual gold of the Incas. This interaction with Freemasonry would be two way as certain supposed secrets of Incan esotericism get mixed into Speculative Masonic rites.
Which could have an impact on Mozart and Goethe.
Tom