The Guns of the Tawantinsuya

[robertp6165]

No Problem Robert, Im just happy they were answered and a great job with the Snapshot of the Tawantinsuya Empire. Everything is going i kinda predicted. It has stirred up some more questions with


1. Im kinda interested what's going on in the Involvements inside the United States...Have the Arnoldinian Monarchs pursued some of the more Isolationilst, and Industrialist policies that filled American Politics In OTL, at late 19th to early 20th Century? How has the American Military and Navy been expanded in peace time?

I will probably publish "snapshots" of the United States and Aztlan soon, as these are two nations which have radically different histories in this TL.

2. How are the US Relations with Prussia/German Empire in this TL?

The United States has maintained a policy of polite neutrality toward the various European powers, including Germany.

Does Wilhelm stilll attempt to greatly strengthen the Prussian Navy as he did in OTL?

Not to the extent he did in OTL. Prussian military expenditure has been primarily focused on the army. While Wilhelm expanded naval spending, it is still a fraction of what it was in OTL. His primary focus has been the development of the submarine force.

Most Importantly did the Future Kaiser plan on Intiating his Winter Plans for an possible Invasion of the United States?

No.

 

[robertp6165]

Here are additions and corrections in preparation for the publication of the next segment of the timeline, which I plan to do sometime this upcoming weekend.

ADDITIONS AND CORRECTIONS TO EARLIER SEGMENTS OF THE TIMELINE

A.D. 1861--The Zion Society is formed at Frankfurt, Germany. It advocates the creation of a
national homeland for the Jews in Palestine.

A.D. 1861 onward--In 1861, Tsar Alexander II of Russia emancipates the serfs of his realm from
their feudal obligations to their landlords. The Tsar optimistically hopes that the abolition of
serfdom will create a class of individual peasant landowners and the beginnings of a market
economy. However, this is not to be, as in order to gain the acquiescence of the landlords,
concessions have to be made to the landlords which will prevent such a thing from happening.
The landowners initially pushed for granting the peasants freedom but not any land. The Tsar and
his advisers, mindful of the recent revolutions of 1848, were opposed to this, as it would create a
proletariat and they feared the instability this could bring. But giving the peasants freedom and
land seemed to leave the existing landowners without the large and cheap labour-force they
needed to maintain their estates. To 'balance' this, the final legislation contains three measures
designed to reduce the potential economic self-sufficiency of the peasants. Firstly a transition
period of nine years is introduced, during which the peasant is obligated as before to the old
landowner. Additionally large parts of common land are passed to the major landowners as
“otrezki,” making many forests, roads and rivers only accessible for a fee. The third and most
important measure specifies that the serfs will be required to pay the land-owner for their
allocation of land in a series of redemption payments which will extend indefinitely until the land
is fully paid off. The government will advance the total sum to the landowner and then the
peasants will repay the money, plus interest, to the government. These measures, particularly the
redemption payments, will be bitterly resented by the peasantry and will contribute to the
increasing unrest against the government, which will arise in Russia over the succeeding decades.

A.D. 1870--Mikveh Israel, the first modern Jewish agricultural school and settlement is
established in Palestine.

A.D. 1870-1890--The group Hovevei Zion sets up 30 Jewish farming communities in Palestine.

A.D. 1881-1884--Pogroms in Tsarist Russia kill tens of thousands of Jews and force hundreds of
thousands to flee. While most of these end up in the United States, Britain, and other western
countries, many go to Palestine and settle.

A.D. 1882-1903--The first Aliyah, or major wave of Jewish immigration into Palestine. About
35,000 Jews move to Palestine, with about half remaining to become permanent residents.

A.D. 1896-1904--Theodore Herzl unsuccessfully approaches world leaders for assistance in
creating a Jewish national home.

A.D. 1902--Abdul al-Aziz ibn Saud, at the head of a Bedouin army, conquers Riyad and begins
working to unite the kingdom of Arabia (both through military action and marriage with 20
women) under the puritanical Wahhabi Islamic order. Also in this year, the British government
offers to create a Jewish national home by donating 5000 square miles of the Mau Plateau in
Uganda, in East Africa. This proposal is transmitted to Theodore Herzl’s Zionist Group by the
British Foreign Secretary.

A.D. 1903—The Uganda Proposal is brought before the Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland.
The proposal is tentatively accepted by a substantial margin (after the Russian delegation walks
out in protest).

A.D. 1904—The Zionist Congress sends a three man delegation to inspect the Mau plateau. Its
high elevation gives it a temperate climate making it suitable for European settlement. However
the observers find a dangerous land filled with lions and other creatures. Moreover it is populated
by a large number of Maasai who do not seem at all amenable to an influx of Europeans.

A.D. 1905—The Zionist Congress, upon hearing the report of the delegation sent to inspect the
lands in Uganda, decides to decline the British offer of a Jewish National Home in Uganda.

A.D. 1904-1929--The second Aliyah of Jews into Palestine, a migration of about 160,000 Jews,
of which about 20,000 will eventually leave, with the remainder becoming permanent residents.
The first Jewish defense organizations are formed during this period due to increasing hostility
from the local Arab population. During this period, some of the underpinnings of a future
independent Jewish nation-state arise: The national language Hebrew is revived; newspapers and
literature written in Hebrew published; political parties and workers organizations established.

A.D. 1906--Abdul al-Aziz ibn Saud takes control of the Nejd and Hasa regions in Arabia.

A.D. 1909--British companies begin extracting oil in Iran.

A.D. 1911--British forces occupy southern Iran to protect the oil fields.

A.D. 1912--Japanese Emperor Meiji dies and new emperor Taisho shifts more power to the
parliament.

A.D. 1914-1915--The Irish Civil War. In March 1914, the Irish Home Rule Act of 1914 is
introduced into the British Parliament. This bill provides for a bi-cameral Irish Parliament, to be
set up in Dublin (a 40-member Senate and a 164-member House of Commons) with powers to
deal with most national affairs; a number of Irish MPs would continue to sit in the Imperial
Parliament in Westminster (42 MPs, rather than 103); and finally, the abolition of Dublin Castle,
though with the retention of the Lord Lieutenant.

The bill is violently opposed by the Irish Unionist Party, mostly composed of Protestant Ulster
MPs, who feel that “Dublin Rule means Rome Rule.” The Unionists demand partition of
Ireland, with the northern six counties of Ulster to remain under direct government by Britain.
The Unionists proceed to form the paramilitary Ulster Volunteer Force, and secretly (and
illegally) import tens of thousands of rifles and millions of rounds of ammunition (via the
agency of a Prussian businessman, with the secret approval of King Wilhelm II of Prussia) with
which to oppose, by force, the implementation of the Act in Ulster. The Irish nationalist parties,
meanwhile, are adamantly opposed to partition, declaring their position that there must be “no
concessions for Ulster...Ulster must follow.” They, likewise, form a paramilitary organization
called the Irish Volunteers to oppose the Unionists and force Ulster to accept a united Ireland.
And they too, secretly import illegal arms from Prussia and other countries.

The country is essentially a powderkeg, ready to explode, when in May 1914 the bill passes the
House of Commons. Unlike previous Home Rule bills, which had been required to pass the
House of Lords as well, this one does not have to do that because of the recent passage of the
Parliament Act. All that is needed is for King George V to give his assent. This does not
immediately happen, however, and political wrangling continues. Seeking to defuse the
potentially explosive situation in Ulster, the Parliament passes an amendment which is a
compromise which satisfies neither side. The six counties of northern Ireland will “temporarily”
be excluded from the territory governed by the new Irish Parliament, and will continue to be
ruled directly from Westminster. How “temporary” this arrangement will be is not specified.
Both the Unionists and the Nationalists reject the compromise and begin preparing for war.

In September 1914, King George V gives his assent to the Home Rule Bill, and the bill goes into
effect in Ireland. The Ulster Unionists immediately call out their paramilitary forces to oppose
implementation of the bill in northern Ireland. The Nationalists call out their forces to oppose
the Unionists, and the bloodletting begins. The British government is eventually forced to
deploy tens of thousands of troops to put down the Unionist rebellion, ironically fighting beside
the Irish Nationalists against those who have declared themselves “Loyal Ulstermen” and desire
to continue under British rule. The Unionist paramilitary numbers over 50,000 men, and is well
armed, and it takes over a year to finally subdue the rebellion. Most of the cities of Ulster are
reduced to smouldering ruins by the fighting, and thousands die on both sides. It is another sad,
bloody chapter in the history of Ireland.

In the aftermath, the Home Rule Bill is revoked by Parliament on the advice of King George V,
who argues that the rebellion proves that Ireland is obviously not ready for self-government.
This outrages the Nationalists, who fought beside the British to suppress the revolt and feel that
the British “owe” them for their “loyalty.” Unionist leaders, including such lofty personages as
Sir Edward Carson, are brought to trial and sentenced to death for treason (Carson is hanged in
early 1916). This, in turn, outrages the basically Unionist population of Northern Ireland.

But the issue of self-government for Ireland won’t go away, and eventually, more debate within
Parliament will lead to the passage of yet another Home Rule Bill in 1921 which will include a
permanent partition of the island.

A.D. 1916 onward--The Ottoman Empire, stung by it’s defeat in the War of the Black Hand and
the loss of Constantinople, is undergoing a political upheaval. The Young Turks, who had taken
over power from the Sultan in a coup in 1909, while retaining the Sultan as a figurehead ruler,
are discredited for having taken the Empire into the disastrous war. Sultan Mehmed V Reshad,
with his brother, Mehmed Vahdettin, see this as an opportunity to regain control again for themselves.
But they realize they need allies. Declaring the liberal constitution originally promulgated by
Sultan Abdul Hamid in 1876 to be restored, they call for an election for a new Ottoman
Parliament. This is welcomed by many in the Empire who have been disenchanted by the
increasingly authoritarian rule of the Young Turks, who promised constitutionalism but never
intended on delivering it. The elections are held in early 1917, and when the Parliament meets in
Ankara (where the government had been relocated after the fall of Constantinople), the Sultan
offers a number of amendments to the constitution which limit his own power...including a
provision forbidding the Sultan from suspending the constitution or dissolving Parliament...and
which guarantee the rights of all citizens of the Empire regardless of their ethnicity or religion
(this also is in stark contrast to the policy of the Young Turks, which was intensely Turko-centric
and alienated most of the other peoples of the Empire). These amendments are adopted by the
stunned Parliament, which wholeheartedly declares it’s devotion to the Sultan.

Mehmed V Reshad dies in 1918, and is succeeded by Mehmed VI Vahdettin, who continues
these policies. Mehmed Vahdettin also seeks to transform the Empire from the perennial “sick
man” into a modern State. He aggressively seeks sources of funding for various industrialization
and infrastructure-improvement projects, including funding from an un-usual source...the Zionist
Movement. In 1901, Theodore Herzl had approached Sultan Abdul Hamid II with a
proposal...the Zionist Movement would pay off the majority of the Ottoman Empire’s foreign
debt in exchange for a charter allowing the Zionists to colonize Palestine. Abdul Hamid had
refused this offer. But Mehmed Vahdettin is a more pragmatic man, and in 1919 he invites Otto
Heinrich Warburg, Herzl’s successor as President of the World Zionist Organization (Herzl
having died in 1904) to Ankara for talks. The Sultan reminds Warburg of Herzl’s offer, and
then drops a bombshell...if the Zionist offer is still open, the Sultan is willing to consider it. A
series of lengthy discussions results, and an agreement is finally hammered out in early 1920. In
exchange for the assumption of half the Ottoman national debt by the World Zionist
Organization, the Zionists will be granted, not an independent State, but an autonomous,
self-governing region within the Ottoman Empire. The Zionists undertake to respect the rights of
the Palestinian Arabs living in the region, and to guarantee the sanctity of the Islamic holy places
there. The Jews will be represented in the Ottoman Parliament, and the autonomy of their
homeland will be guaranteed by an irrevocable amendment to the Ottoman constitution. The
Jews will be permitted to maintain their own military organization for the purpose of protecting
themselves from attacks by the local Arabs, with the understanding that in time of war, the
Jewish military will serve alongside that of the Ottomans. This agreement is presented to the
Ottoman Parliament in April 1920, and the popular Sultan is able to get it passed, despite
objections by Arab nationalists serving in the body. For the first time in almost 2,000 years, the
Jews are to have a national homeland.

Of course, this legislation is not popular with the Palestinian Arabs, and riots erupt throughout
the region when the agreement is announced. But Ottoman troops bloodily suppress the rioters,
and in the aftermath, over 400,000 Arabs who took part in or supported the rioters are forcibly
removed from their homes and settled in various parts of the Empire outside of Palestine. Unlike
the OTL Palestinian diaspora...whose “identity” as a people has been artificially maintained in
large part because of the refusal of the Arab countries in which they have settled to accept and
assimilate them...these people will gradually merge with the populations of their new lands, and
will eventually be absorbed. Although unintentional, this large-scale removal of population
allows the Jews to form a majority population in Palestine within a relatively short time, and
cements their hold on the region. Although there will be periodic outbreaks of violence between
Arab and Jew in Palestine for many years to come, the Ottomans will remain true to their
agreements with the Jews and suppress Arab and Islamic extremism whenever possible. The
ultimate outcome of each outbreak of violence, therefore, will be to further diminish the Arab
population of the region. By the end of the century, Arabs will be a tiny minority in what the
Jews will call the Land of Israel, their national homeland.

Mehmed Vahdettin’s successor, Abdul Mejid II, will be further aided by the discovery of oil in
Mesopotamia (and later in northern Arabia) in the late 1920s, which will greatly increase the
revenues available to the Imperial Treasury. Modern industries will be built up in many cities
throughout the Empire, and infrastructure greatly improved. By the time of his death in 1944, the
underpinnings of a modern state will have been established. The “sick man” will be sick no
more.

A.D. 1916--In the wake of the defeat of the Ottomans in the War of the Black Hand, Sharif
Husayn of Mecca leads a revolt against the Ottoman Empire in Arabia. It is crushed.

A.D. 1918--The defeat of the Hashemite rivals of the Saudi clan by the Turks in 1916 encourages
Abdul al-Aziz ibn Saud to try to take the Hejaz, including Mecca and Medina. He leads a
bedouin army to Mecca and lays siege to the city. The Ottomans respond with a modern army
and aircraft. The Saudis are defeated and Abdul al-Aziz is killed. Shortly afterward, civil war
breaks out among the bedouin tribes which were formerly united under the Saudi banner. The
Wahabbi kingdom of Nejd falls apart.

A.D. 1923--A secular constitution is proclaimed in Egypt (a British protectorate) to create a
parliamentary monarchy.

A.D. 1925--Japan introduces universal male suffrage.

 

[JP_Morgan]

Good job on filling in what's going on. I was wondering, in the Irish Civil War, where is Michael Collins in all of this? De Valera is probably alive in any case.

There will very likely be an attempted Marxist/Communist revolution. It won't succeed, but it will certainly shake up Tawantinsuya society in ways that I am still thinking about. I have already published a list of the Incas which shows their rule continues to the present day, so the success or failure of the revolution is a foregone conclusion, I am afraid. Besides, I really don't like Communists. I hate to see them succeed anywhere, even in alternate history. Especially alternate history I write.

Well there goes an Communist Tawantinsuya... I still wonder how that would turn out.
So we'll be seeing the American and Aztlan snapshots sometime next week?

 

[robertp6165]

Good job on filling in what's going on. I was wondering, in the Irish Civil War, where is Michael Collins in all of this? De Valera is probably alive in any case.

Both are alive in this timeline and were active on the "nationalist side" in the civil war.

So we'll be seeing the American and Aztlan snapshots sometime next week?

Probably.

 

[robertp6165]

The Guns of the Tawantinsuya, Part Nine...with some more additions and corrections.

MORE ADDITIONS AND CORRECTIONS...

A.D. 1863 onward--In the wake of it’s seizure of the Philippines from Spain, the
Kingdom of Nuevo Espana also seizes the Spanish colonies in the Marianas Islands, the
Caroline Islands, and in Guam, establishing naval bases there. In the Philippines, it
abolishes the old Spanish colonial administration, which had been causing increasing
resentment among Filipinos, and institutes a more enlightened rule there. They also,
within a few years, grant representation to the Philippines in the Cortez of Nuevo Espana
(and later, of Aztlan). The embryonic independence movement among young Filipino
intellectuals, which had begun to arise in the years prior to the war, is won over by the
new administration, and the Philippines becomes a loyal part of the Kingdom.

A.D. 1874--The Marshall Islands are claimed by the Kingdom of Aztlan, which
establishes a colonial government there. Later that same year, Aztlan claims Wake Atoll,
and establishes a military base there.

A.D. 1883--Konstantian Tsiolkovsky, a Russian school teacher, publishes FREE SPACE.
In this, Tsiolkovsky shows that a rocket will function in a vacuum due to Newton's
Action-Reaction" laws of motion.

A.D. 1898--In France, Marie Curie and her husband, Pierre, discover that present in
pitchblende, an ore of uranium, is a substance which emits large amounts of radioactivity,
which they name radium. This raises the hopes of both scientists and lay people that the
elements around us could contain tremendous amounts of unseen energy, waiting to be
tapped.

A.D. 1903--Konstantian Tsiolkovsky publishes a report that suggests the use of liquid
propellants for rockets in order to achieve greater range.

A.D. 1909--American scientist Robert Goddard in his study of fuels, determines that
liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen would serve as an efficient source of propulsion, when
properly combusted.

A.D. 1911--Experiments by Ernest Rutherford of Great Britain indicate that the vast
majority of an atom's mass is contained in a very small nucleus at its core, made up of
protons, surrounded by a web of whirring electrons. Robert Goddard of the United States
is granted two U.S. patents for rockets using solid fuel, liquid fuel, multiple propellant
charges, and multi-stage designs.

A.D. 1921--The Japanese Navy launches the HONSHO, the world’s first
purpose-designed aircraft carrier. Over the next two decades, Japan will be a world
leader in aircraft carrier development and above all in deployment of these new ships,
which are viewed with disdain by the “battleship admirals” who hold sway in most of the
world’s fleets.

A.D. 1923--Dr. Hermann Oberth, a Hungarian-born German, publishes a book about
rocket travel into outer space. Because of his important writings, many small rocket
societies spring up around the world.

THE GUNS OF THE TAWANTINSUYA, PART NINE: 1925-1950

A.D. 1926--Japan's Emperor Taisho dies. His son, Hirohito, 25, ascends the throne. He
favors peace and cooperation with foreign powers. The political party in power, the
Democratic (Minseito) Party, expresses agreement. However, in Japan, factories are
closing. Falling silk and rice prices are hurting Japanese farmers. Starvation becomes a
real threat to millions of people in rural areas. The government fears unrest and
subversion and pursues a campaign against "dangerous thoughts." Socialists are sent to
prison and professors are dismissed from universities. Fears arise concerning events in
China, and military expenditures are increased. Ultra-nationalist parties, including
elements of the military, begin calling for an expansion of the Japanese empire as the
solution to Japan’s problems. Andre Matswa forms the liberation movement of French
Congo. Also in this year, the Russian Civil War ends. The government of Tsar Mikhail
II begins the process of reconstructing the country. Ottoman Sultan Mehmed VI
Vahdettin dies, and is succeeded by Abdul Mejid II. In view of the “close call” that
Europe recently had in containing the war between Russia and Austria-Hungary,
Pachacuti Inca II of Tawantinsuyu invites the great powers to a conference to discuss the
issue of international peace. The British government supports this, as does the
governments of Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany and Emperor Napoleon of France. The
conference is scheduled for May 1927, to be held in Geneva, Switzerland. In Palestine,
a steady stream of Jewish immigrants has been settling in the region since the 1880s.
Beginning in this year, a new influx of settlers begins arriving, fleeing pogroms in Russia
that took place during the Russian Civil War. Several hundred thousand Jews will
emigrate to Palestine during this period, making the Jews a substantial majority
population in their new homeland for the first time. In Morocco, a rebellion led by
Mohammed ben Abel Krim is crushed by French and Spanish forces. In South Africa,
Prime Minister M.B. Herzog introduces the Mines and Works Amendment Act, which
excludes blacks and Asians (people of Indian heritage) from all skilled and some
semi-skilled mining jobs. American scientist Robert Goddard of Massachusetts launches
the world’s first liquid fueled rocket. It flies for 2 seconds and reaches an altitude of 41
feet.

A.D. 1927--A book written by André Gide creates indignation in France regarding
mistreatment of people in the Congo-blacks forced to work on the construction of 300
miles of railroad that over a ten-year period killed nearly ten thousand. Maulana
Muhammad Ilyas founds in India the Tablighi, a missionary movement to spread
orthodox Islam worldwide. Huge oil fields are discovered near Karkuk in the Ottoman
province of Mesopotamia. Oil rights are granted to a British oil company.

Meanwhile in Russia, Prime Minister Kerensky, in cooperation with his Deputy, Leon
Trotsky, push a reform bill through the Duma aimed at satisfying the long-standing
demands of the peasantry that have caused so much internal strife for so many years. The
new legislation officially ends the redemption payments to the government, which have
been required of the peasants since their emancipation from serfdom in 1861. The
peasantry now officially own their lands, free and clear of obligation. Furthermore, lands
belonging to nobles who supported Grand Duke Nicholas in the recent civil war (most of
whom are dead or in exile) are declared vacant, confiscated and distributed to landless
peasants. The legislation also ends the otrezki, removing the fees imposed by landowners
on peasants wishing to use forests, roads, and rivers (in response to the objections of the
landowners, a plan of government compensation for the loss of income caused by the
removal of their rights to impose these fees is also approved). With the support of Tsar
Mikhail, Kerensky also seeks out foreign capital investment and loans for use in resolving
another major issue which has plagued Russia in the past…the lack of infrastructure and
an inadequate transportation system, which greatly contributed to the recent famine. Over
the next decade, a major program of road improvement and railroad construction will
solve most of these problems, as well as providing an impetus for further industrialization
of the country, which in turn will begin to provide increased revenues to the government
through international trade (this will, over time, finally end the endemic financial crises
which have afflicted Russia for years).

Also in this year, the Geneva Conference convenes to discuss the issue of international
peace. Attendees include representatives of the governments of Tawantinsuyu, Great
Britain, France, Germany, Russia, China, Japan, Aztlan and the United States, as well as a
number of smaller European nations (Spain, Portugal, Austria, Hungary, Denmark,
Norway, Sweden, Belgium, and the Netherlands). Pachacuti Inca II, while
acknowledging that the elimination of war itself is an unrealistic goal...makes the
argument that the interlocking alliance system that has grown up in Europe has the
potential to lead to the outbreak of continent-wide, or even world-wide war. As this is
obviously in nobody’s best interest, Pachacuti proposes the creation of an international
organization where disputes can be brought for arbitration and where negotiations can be
carried on to prevent the outbreak of such a war. After much wrangling, it is agreed to
create such an organization, to be called the Congress of Nations. All the attending
nations become signatories to the agreement, with the exception of one…Japan. Also
notable by their absence from the conference are two other powers…Italy and the
Ottoman Empire…both of which will refuse to join.

A.D. 1928--Voting in Italy drops by two-thirds in the wake of new voting restrictions,
including a prohibition on the vote of women. Achmad Sukarno founds the Nationalist
Party with the mission to gain independence for Indonesia. In Egypt, Hassan Al-Banna
creates "Al-Ikhwan Al-Moslemoon" (Muslim Brotherhood), a quasi-monastic movement
that advocates for the entire Arab world a fundamentalist Islamic society and therefore
advocates rebellion against the westernized government of King Faruk. After another
radical piece of socialist legislation is vetoed by Pachacuti Inca II, a group of Marxist
leaders meets secretly in Chan Chan to form the Popular Front for the Liberation of
Tawantinsuyu. Over the next decade, their numbers will steadily grow among the urban
industrial workers who form the base of Marxist support in Tawantinsuyu, and they will
begin secretly caching away arms. Extended negotiations between King Karl of Austria
and the Hungarian Diet, which has ruled Hungary without an official head of state since
the revolution at the end of the War of the Black Hand, result in the conclusion of an
agreement which restores the House of Habsburg to the throne of Hungary. The re-united
realm of Austria-Hungary takes it’s place on the map of Europe once again.

A.D. 1929--In Kenya missionaries have been critical of the Kikuyu custom of female
circumcision. The Kikuyu claim that it was an essential part of their culture and accuse
the missionaries of undermining their rights. Many Kikuyu break away from the Christian
churches and mission schools and develop their own schools. A Scot, Alexander
Fleming, discovers penicillin, an anti-biotic. The Lateran Treaty restores Vatican City to
the pope. The Roman Catholic Church is established as the state church, and it is assured
substantial control over Italy's educational system. King Alexander proclaims a
dictatorship and changes the name of his kingdom from the Kingdom of the Serbs,
Croats, and Slovenes to Yugoslavia. Crown Prince Felipe Carlos of Spain marries
Princess Henriette of Parma. Tawantinsuya inventor Acahuana launches a liquid-fueled
rocket. It climbs to an altitude of over 300 feet.

A.D. 1930--Zawditu of Ethiopia dies and is succeeded by Ras Tafari Makonnen, who
becomes emperor Haile Selassie I. In Jamaica, Rastafarians proclaim Haile Selassie the
messiah. In Vietnam, strikes erupt on French-owned plantations. Farmers demonstrate
against taxes. The French Foreign Legion and airplanes are sent against rebellious
peasants. The French execute Vietnam's leading nationalist, Nguyen Thai Hoc and others.
Nguyen Thai Hoc's nationalist movement is destroyed, providing opportunity for a
movement directed by Ho Chi Minh, a Marxist who recently returned from France to
Vietnam to organize rebellion there. Ho Chi Minh founds the Social Democratic
Revolutionary Party of Vietnam. In India, Allama Iqbal calls for a separate homeland for
the Muslims. Gandhi unleashes "civil disobedience" against the British. France completes
the railway in the Congo that cost the lives of 17,000 African workers. A young German
named Wernher von Braun assists Dr. Hermann Oberth in his early experiments in testing
a liquid-fueled rocket with about 15 pounds of thrust. Von Braun will go on to outshine
his mentor in the upcoming years. Robert Goddard fires a rocket to a height of 1,000 feet.

A.D. 1931--Another war breaks out between Greece and Bulgaria over the possession of
Constantinople. Sultan Abdul Mejid II of the Ottoman Empire sees this as an opportunity
to regain the former Ottoman capital for the Turks, and begins mobilizing his troops.
Tsar Mikhail of Russia calls on the Congress of Nations to respond...or Russia will.
Mikhail orders the mobilization of troops on the Ottoman border. It appears that another
major war is imminent. But the Congress of Nations does respond to the situation,
issuing a joint ultimatum to the Ottomans...stay out of the conflict, or face war with the
Congress of Nations. Knowing that there is no way he can win such a contest, Abdul
Mejid declares the neutrality of the Ottoman Empire in the conflict, and orders his
military to stand down. Tsar Mikhail does likewise, and the crisis is averted. The
Greeks...who have been preparing for this war for quite some time...defeat the Bulgarians
later that year and take Constantinople. But the long-term effect of the incident has little
to do with the Greek victory...it has shown that the Congress of Nations can work as had
been hoped to prevent the escalation of local wars into continent-wide or world-wide
conflicts.

A.D. 1932--King Prajadhipok of Siam (Thailand) is overthrown and a constitution is
introduced. John Chadwick of Great Britain discovers that the nucleus contains another
fundamental particle, the neutron, and in the same year John Cockcroft and Ernest
Walton, also of Britain, "split the atom" for the first time, the first occasion on which an
atomic nucleus of one element is successfully changed to a different nucleus by artificial
means.

A.D. 1933--In Russia, a group lead by Tsiolkovsky launches a liquid fueled rocket which
reaches an altitude of 400 meters.

A.D. 1934--Racial laws forbid blacks from running any business in Rhodesia, a British
colony in Southern Africa. Also in this year, French physicists Irene and Frederic
Joliot-Curie discover that artificial radioactivity can be induced in stable elements by
bombarding them with alpha particles, and Italian physicist Enrico Fermi reports similar
results when bombarding uranium with neutrons.

A.D. 1935--Konstantian Tsiolkovsky dies. With him dies much of the impetus for
rocketry research in Russia. Just prior to his death, however, the Russians fire a
multi-stage rocket fueled by solid and liquid fuels which reaches a height of 8 miles, far
and away the greatest achievement so far by any rocket. In the same year, one of Robert
Goddard’s rockets exceeds the speed of sound, another reaches an altitude of 7500 feet.

A.D. 1935-1936--Italian conquest of Ethiopia. Italian leader Benito Mussolini orders
Italian forces into Ethiopia in 1935. Italian forces use aircraft, armored vehicles, and
poison gas against Ethiopia’s antiquated military and also against the civilian population,
causing much outrage in the world press. The Congress of Nations discusses the matter,
and imposes economic sanctions on Italy, but declines to intervene militarily (as it is seen
that Italy’s conquest of Ethiopia does not directly threaten the wider peace of the world,
devastating as it is to the Ethiopians themselves).

A.D. 1936--In Japan, the continuing economic crises following the end of the Second
Sino-Japanese War have brought the ultra-right-wing and nationalist Kohoda Party to
power. This party advocates expansionism as the solution to Japan’s economic problems.
Seeing that China is too powerful to be a viable target, Japan begins to look elsewhere...to
the Dutch East Indies and their lucrative supplies of oil, rubber, tin, and other vital
materials. Wernher von Braun launches two rockets which reach a height of
approximately 1.5 miles.

A.D. 1936-1938--Another period of drought strikes Russia, severely reducing the harvests
and causing a famine. However, the effects of this famine are much less severe than the
1921-23 famine, as the government has widely built up grain reserves, and the vastly
improved transport system which has been put in place since the end of the Russian Civil
War a decade earlier allows grain to be moved to where it is needed. Less than 100,000
people die in this famine...a dramatic improvement from the 2 million who died in the
last one. But the political fallout is enough to topple the government of Alexander
Kerensky, who has served as Russia’s Prime Minister for a decade. Kerensky loses a “no
confidence” vote in the Duma in 1937 and is replaced by Leon Trotsky. Trotsky argues
that the industrialization program which Kerensky has pushed over the past decade has
neglected one vital facet of the economy...agriculture, which has remained virtually
unchanged since the days before the Revolution. Peasants are still plowing their fields
with horse and ox-drawn plows, and harvesting with hand scythes. Trotsky pushes a
program through the Duma designed to introduce widespread mechanization of
agriculture. By the end of the next decade, the sight of horse-drawn plows will have
virtually disappeared in the Russian countryside, replaced by tractors and mechanical
harvesters. The efficiency of the agriculture sector is greatly improved as a result.

A.D. 1937--Britain makes Burma a separate colony from India. King Karl I of
Austria-Hungary dies. He is succeeded by his son, who reigns as King Otto I. The
Western Hemispheric Free Trade Zone is formed by treaty between the United States,
Aztlan, and Tawantinsuyu. By the treaty, the three nations agree to dramatically reduce
trade barriers between them. Robert Goddard launches a rocket to a height of over 9,000
feet. This will prove to be the peak of Goddard’s career as a rocket developer, however.
None of his subsequent designs will reach that altitude ever again.

A.D. 1938--Death of Emperor Guangxu of China. He dies childless (he detested his wife,
the Empress Consort Longyu, and Guangxu’s favorite concubine, Zhenfei, was murdered
by Cixi during the Boxer Rebellion). Guangxu is therefore succeeded by his nephew, Pu
Yi, who reigns as Emperor Xuantong. Shortly after his accession, Emperor Xuantong
(who has and will have no children...theories exist stating that he was infertile, or
possibly homosexual) names his cousin, Prince Yuyan, as his heir. Emperor Xuantong,
remembering the humiliation of the Chinese navy during the second Sino-Japanese war,
pushes for the modernization and expansion of the Chinese fleet. He is at odds with his
legislature over this issue, however, and although there is some increase in naval
spending, the Chinese fleet still lags far behind that of Japan. Death of King Kalakaua II
of Hawaii. He is succeeded by his son, who reigns as king Kalakaua III. Also in this
year, Germans Otto Hahn and Fritz Strassman release the results of their finding proving
that what Fermi had witnessed in 1934 was no less than the bursting of the uranium
nucleus: nuclear fission. Immediately afterwards, Lise Meitner and Otto Frisch describe
the theoretical mechanisms of fission and reveal that large amounts of energy are released
in the process. Austro-Hungarian physicist Leo Szilard, working in Vienna, confirms with
his own experiments that along with energy, neutrons are given off in the reaction as well,
creating the possibility of a nuclear chain reaction, whereby each fission creates two or
more other fissions, exponentially releasing energy. He files for a patent on the idea with
the Austro-Hungarian Patent Office.

A.D. 1938-1939--The Franco-German Crisis. For some time, Kaiser Wilhelm II of
Germany has been negotiating with France and Britain for the right to obtain some
African and Pacific colonies, but has been rebuffed, especially by France. In response, he
has been intriguing with various native leaders in Algeria and Morocco and formenting
rebellion there. In 1938 the French produce what they consider to be incontrovertible
proof of German involvement in these activities before the Congress of Nations (it is not
so incontrovertible to the representatives of other nations, however). Kaiser Wilhelm
passionately argues that Germany deserves “her place in the sun,” and that France is
wrong to stand in the way. For a while, it appears that Germany might walk out of the
Congress and that war between France and Germany might be imminent. However, a
compromise, brokered by King Benedict V of the United States, with the support of King
Ferdinand II of Aztlan, finally saves the day. It seems that the Republic of Portugal has
been undergoing a fiscal crisis since it took over power in that nation in 1910. King
Benedict manages to persuade that government to sell it’s colonies in Angola and
Mozambique...which have become more of a burden than an asset to Portugal since the
abolition of the lucrative slave trade in the mid-to-late 19th century...to Germany, and
persuades Emperor Napoleon V of France to accept the deal in exchange for guarantees
by Germany not to interfere in the French colonies again. Kaiser Wilhelm also accepts
the deal, and the crisis is defused. The Congress of Nations has weathered it’s second
major challenge...a potential conflict between member nations of the Congress itself.

A.D. 1939--Siam changes its name to Thailand. Also in this year, a Marxist revolt
breaks out in Spain against the rule of King Louis II. Louis had been experimenting, in a
limited way, with the introduction of democratic reforms granting more power to the
Cortez, which had been resurrected under his predecessor, Charles VII. However, these
limited measures have been seen as a sign of weakness by the Marxists in Spain, and in
1939 they rebel. The Marxists, however, have little support among the masses of the
people, and the rebellion is soon crushed. Louis will demonstrate his gratefulness to his
people for their support during the revolt by granting yet more democratic reforms. By
the end of his reign, Spain will be a fully-functioning and relatively liberal constitutional
monarchy. Benito Mussolini of Italy orders an invasion of Albania. The country is
quickly occupied. The Congress of Nations debates the issue, but in the end does
nothing, much to the disgust of several of it’s members.

A.D. 1939-1940--Japanese conquest of the Dutch East Indies. In 1939, the right-wing
nationalist government of Japan declares war on the Netherlands and sends an invasion
force to the Dutch East Indies. The Netherlands takes this issue to the Congress of
Nations, but it is agreed that the purpose of the Congress is to prevent the escalation of
war between the major powers, not to bind the nations into a military alliance pledged to
defend each other’s colonial interests against outside aggression. The Congress agrees to
impose economic sanctions, but militarily, the Netherlands is on her own against Japan.
Japan completes it’s conquest of the East Indies over the course of the next year. A treaty
signed between Japan and the Netherlands in 1940 ending the war recognizes the fait
accompli, and the Japanese nationalists declare themselves vindicated before the people.

A.D. 1940-1949--The Tawantinsuya Civil War. In 1940, the Popular Front for the
Liberation of Tawantinsuyu declares that the time for revolution has arrived, and
orchestrated riots break out in most of the cities of the empire (not including those in the
colonies, where they have little, if any support). The Popular Front declares that the Inca
is deposed, and proclaims the establishment of a provisional government for the new
Tawantinsuya People’s Republic. Pachacuti Inca II calls out the imperial troops to
suppress the rioters, and several thousand rioters are killed when government troops open
fire in various cities. But the riots are suppressed, and peace is restored, temporarily.
However, in response, supporters of the Popular Front flee the cities into the mountains
and forests and begin a guerrilla war and terrorism campaign which will last until 1949.
1947 will prove the crucial year, seeing the death of Pachacuti Inca II of Tawantinsuyu
when a car-bomb explodes outside his palace in Cuzco. The Popular Front for the
Liberation of Tawantinsuyu claims responsibility. He is succeeded by his son, who
reigns as Tupahualpa Inca II. Tupahualpa Inca begins a policy which will bring an end to
the ongoing civil war. The new Inca supports the passage of several pieces of socialist
legislation (the creation of a state-funded retirement system for workers, limits on the
number of work hours allowed each week, a minimum wage for non-agricultural
workers, and other measures designed to improve the lot of the urban proletariat) which
will erode much of the base of support for the Popular Front. He also escalates the
military campaign against the Popular Front, while declaring an amnesty for those
guerrillas who will lay down their arms and swear loyalty to the Inca. Within two years,
the last of the guerilla groups will have surrendered, and the conflict comes to an end.
However, the struggle has been very destructive, and over 350,000 have died in the
fighting. The scars caused by the conflict will be long in healing, but Tawantinsuyu will
recover.

A.D. 1940--Crown Prince Benedict of the United States marries Charlotte von Habsburg,
daughter of King Karl I of Austria. Crown Prince Felipe Carlos and Princess Henriette of
Spain produce a son (their sixth child, the first five being daughters), who they name
Carlos Luis. Wernher von Braun launches a rocket with gyroscopic controls which
attains an altitude of seven miles and a range of eleven miles.

c. A.D. 1940 onward--By this time, atomic research has progressed to the point that
scientists in several countries (Germany, Italy, Austria-Hungary, and Britain) have come
to the realization that they have stumbled onto a source of enormous power...both for
peaceful energy generation and, more ominously, with the potential for use as a weapon
of tremendous destructive potential. The scientists inform their governments, which
thereupon order a ban on publishing any further discoveries in the field of atomic physics.
Most of these governments (except Austria-Hungary, which does not have the financial
wherewithal to pursue an active program) also begin diverting money into research
programs to fully explore the potential of the new technologies...including the military
applications. But progress is a good deal slower than in OTL because there is no massive
government research program along the lines of the OTL Manhattan Project to push
things along. Also, rocketry research has reached a sort of plateau at this point, largely
because there is little government funding for rocketry research. None of the world’s
governments see the military potential of large rockets, and (unlike the Nazis of OTL),
they are not actively funding research program. Rocketry remains a field largely in the
hands of civilian enthusiast clubs, some gifted amateur inventors, and a few under-funded
scientists. As a result, as with atomic research, rocketry research proceeds much more
slowly than OTL.

A.D. 1941--Prince Imperial Napoleon of France marries Princess Marie Josefa von
Wittelsbach, daughter of Prince Rupprecht of Bavaria. Norodom Sihanouk becomes king
of Cambodia (his country is still under French rule, however). Death of Kaiser Wilhelm
II of Germany. He is succeeded by his son, who reigns as Kaiser Wilhelm III.

A.D. 1941-1946--The Pacific War. In 1941, the nationalist regime in control of Japan
decides to further expand it’s colonial empire by seizing the Philippines, which is a
province of the Kingdom of Aztlan. The Kingdom of Aztlan has not engaged in warfare
outside it’s borders since 1870, and then only against a frail and decrepit Spain. It has
maintained only a small military establishment since the end of the Indian Wars in the
1890s. And so the Japanese militarists look on them with disdain. A Japanese invasion
force lands on Luzon in December 1941, and over the course of the next year, resistance
in the islands is subdued. Of course, Aztlan declares war on Japan in response, but the
Aztlan fleet...composed mainly of battleships...is decimated by Japanese aircraft
operating from it’s fleet of aircraft carriers before it ever comes into sight of the enemy in
March 1942. Japanese expeditionary forces soon occupy Aztlan’s other island
possessions in the Marianas, Marshall Islands, Carolines, and Wake, establishing forward
defense positions there against any attempt by Aztlan to move against Japan or the
Philippines. It looks like Japan may just get away with it’s gamble once again.

But unwittingly, Japan has awakened a sleeping giant. Aztlan’s shipyards are soon
building aircraft carriers, and Aztlan’s factories are turning out aircraft, tanks, and other
weapons in huge quantities...far more than Japan can ever hope to match. Beginning in
early 1943, Aztlan begins a campaign of “island hopping” as it moves from one Japanese
possession to another in a drive aimed ultimately at the Philippines. It is helped in this by
an agreement between King Ferdinand II of Aztlan, Pachacuti Inca II of Tawantinsuyu
and King Kalakaua III of Hawaii which allows Aztlan to use the Tawantinsuya naval
facilities at Pearl Harbor and elsewhere in the Hawaiian islands. Although Japan protests
this agreement, it has no interest in bringing these other nations into the war, and does not
go further than protest.

And so, in a series of bloody battles, the forces of Aztlan advance across the Pacific. The
decisive battle of the war is fought in the Marianas, where the main Japanese fleet is
destroyed by Aztlan aircraft carriers in May 1944. Aztlan’s reconquest of these islands
provides a base which allows the bombing of Japan by the long-range aircraft which
Aztlan has been building, secretly, since the beginning of the war. The destruction of the
Japanese main fleet also encourages China’s Emperor Xuantong, who has been watching
the conflict with interest, to declare war on Japan, with the aim of re-taking Formosa. A
Chinese invasion force lands on the island in August 1944, and in a campaign lasting six
months against fanatical Japanese resistance, virtually exterminate all the Japanese on the
island in the process of re-taking it. Later, Chinese naval vessels join the Aztlan fleets
which sweep the remainder of the Japanese navy from the seas by the early part of 1945,
and a joint Chinese/Aztlan invasion force re-takes the Philippines in June 1945.
September 1945 sees the Sino/Aztlan invasion of the former Dutch East Indies, aimed at
depriving Japan of it’s main source of petroleum and other vital materials. Realizing that
continuing the struggle is hopeless, and anxious to make peace before the East Indies are
irrevocably lost, Japan sues for peace shortly thereafter.

A treaty is signed in February 1946, ending the war. By the terms of the Treaty of
Manila, Japan is allowed to keep the East Indies, except for the western half of New
Guinea, which is relinquished to Aztlan. Japan is also forced to relinquish Formosa to
China. Japan is also made to pay heavy reparations to Aztlan, and lesser payments to
China (which suffered much less in the war). Japan is also forced to turn over the
remnants of it’s navy to Aztlan, and to agree to strictly limit the size of it’s military
establishment so it will no longer pose a threat to it’s neighbors. Although the Japanese
military strongly opposes the treaty, Emperor Hirohito insists that it be accepted, and in
the end, his influence wins the day.

A.D. 1942--Crown Prince Felipe Juan Luis of Aztlan marries the Infanta Carlota Joaquina
of Spain, daughter of King Louis II of Spain. Nehru replaces Gandhi as the recognized
leader of the Congress party in India. Romania joins the Congress of Nations.

A.D. 1943--Bulgaria and Yugoslavia join the Congress of Nations. Also in this year,
Benito Mussolini of Italy concludes a Mutual Defense Treaty with Sultan Abdul Mejid II
of the Ottoman Empire. The two leaders begin talking over plans for a possible joint
invasion of Greece.

A.D. 1944--Crown Prince Felipe Juan Luis and Princess Carlota Joaquina of Aztlan
produce a son, who they name Carlos Felipe. Felix Houphouet-Boigny founds the
Syndicat Agricole Africain in Cote d'Avoire. This organization, founded to seek
improved conditions for African farmers, will eventually become the nucleus of an
independence movement in the French colonies in West Africa. Ottoman Sultan Abdul
Mejid II dies, and is succeeded by Ahmed IV Nihad. The new Sultan continues planning
joint aggression against Greece with Italy’s Benito Mussolini. Leon Trotsky, in ill health,
steps down as Prime Minister of Russia. He is replaced by Georgy Malenkov, another
member of Trotsky’s Menshevik Party.

A.D. 1945--Crown Prince Benedict and Princess Charlotte of the United States produce a
son, who they name Benedict Henry Charles John Arnold. Robert Goddard dies of
cancer. Wernher von Braun launches a large rocket, fueled by alcohol and liquid oxygen,
which attains an altitude of almost 50 miles and a range of almost 110 miles. This very
expensive rocket had consumed the entire budget of von Braun’s rocket club for the past
five years with a single launch, and while von Braun is elated at the result, he is
nevertheless keenly aware that it will be years before he can repeat, or indeed, improve
upon the rocket design. But, to von Braun’s good fortune, the launch was witnessed by a
Colonel of Artillery, one Walter Dornberger, who enthusiastically reported the test to his
superiors. Shortly afterward, von Braun finds himself called to a meeting with the Chief
of the Imperial General Staff, who offers to fund von Braun’s research if he will agree to
work for the German Army. German scientists lead by Dr. Werner Heisenberg, it seems,
are close to testing a new and powerful weapon, and it has occurred to the General Staff
that von Braun’s rockets might provide an excellent means of delivering them, with
further development. Von Braun agrees, and is set up in a state-of-the-art facility on the
Baltic Coast, with ample funding, staffing, and supplies to conduct his research.

A.D. 1945-1946--The Rape of Greece. In late the Italians stage a border incident on
Albania’s border with Greece, and declare war. Claiming Greek oppression of ethnic
Turks living in Constantinople, the Ottoman Empire quickly follows suit. The Greeks
resist bravely, but are no match for the combined might of Italy and the Ottoman Empire.
The whole country is occupied within three months, and partitioned between the
victorious powers, while the Congress of Nations is still debating what course of action to
take. Faced with a fait accompli, in the end, the Congress does nothing, once again.
Disgusted, Russia...which had strongly argued for immediate intervention...formally
withdraws from the Congress.

A.D. 1946--King Ananda of Thailand is assassinated and Phibun Songkhram becomes
dictator. Yet another drought hits Russia. But this time, there is no famine, as the
improved productivity of the farming sector has allowed larger reserves of grain to be
stored up by the government, and the improvement of the transport and distribution
system has been further improved since the last famine. In the midst of this success of
the system he put into place, Leon Trotsky dies. He is given a state funeral attended by
hundreds of thousands, and is deeply mourned in Russia.

A.D. 1946 onward--In the aftermath of the disastrous Pacific War, Emperor Hirohito
demands the resignation of all the Kohode party members in his government and the
dissolution of the party itself (many Kohode Party members commit ritual suicide shortly
thereafter). He calls new elections for the Japanese Diet, and with the right-wing
ultra-nationalists being discredited, a new liberal government takes power which begins
to rebuild Japan’s relations with the rest of the world. In 1948, in furtherance of this
goal, Japan will apply for membership in the Congress of Nations, her application being
accepted in 1949. Meanwhile, the new government struggles to rebuild Japan’s cities
and shattered economy. Although the Treaty of Manila allowed Japan to keep the East
Indies, most of the resources produced there are exported to either Aztlan or China as
reparations for the next couple of decades. Nevertheless, Japan will be allowed to keep
enough of this production that it will be able to gradually recover, economically, over the
same period.

A.D. 1947--Assassination of Pachacuti Inca II by the Popular Front. He is succeeded by
his son, who reigns as Tupahualpa Inca II. Also in this year, the failure of the Congress
of Nations to act against the aggression of Italy and Japan has caused much dissatisfaction
among many of it’s members. The governments of Great Britain and France jointly
propose an amendment to the charter of the organization, allowing the organization to
intervene not only to prevent the escalation of war, but also to provide for joint military
response to acts of aggressive war against members of the Congress. A two-thirds vote of
the membership of the Council would be necessary to authorize intervention. The
measure passes, narrowly, when put to a vote. Russia, encouraged by this action, rejoins
the Congress of Nations later that same year.

A.D. 1948-1957--Construction of the Panama Canal. For many years, the government of
Tawantinsuyu has considered the benefits to be gained by the construction of a canal
across the isthmus of Panama, enabling easier passage of trade, and more importantly,
naval vessels, between the Caribbean and the Pacific. Unfortunately, the isthmus is a
possession of Aztlan, and the government of that kingdom has not been keen on the idea,
rejecting several Tawantinsuya offers to purchase the region. But the increasingly close
relations between the two governments have lead to a change of heart, and in 1948 a joint
corporation is formed by the governments of Tawantinsuyu and Aztlan for the purpose of
constructing such a canal. The project will take the better part of ten years, but by 1957,
the canal will be a reality. The first ships pass through the canal on April 23, 1957.

A.D. 1949--Death of Tsar Mikhail II of Russia. He is succeeded by his son, who reigns
as Tsar Georgi I. Germany explodes the world’s first atomic bomb, sending shock waves
through the world’s governments. The bomb was detonated aboard a ship several miles
off the coast of Angola. The other major world powers immediately either increase
funding for their own atomic research programs, or, in the case of those who have no
such programs, begin them.

 

[Max Sinister]

Although I'm usually pro-butterfly effect for scientific reasons, I have to say: Great TL, first league!

 

[G.Bone]

I have to agree with Max on this....

 

[robertp6165]

Although I'm usually pro-butterfly effect for scientific reasons, I have to say: Great TL, first league!

I have to agree with Max on this....

Thank you both!

 

[JP_Morgan]

I think there should be more butterflies at some point like max said Though I've never bought into the "butterfly effect" I think long-term that things would start to change quite differently at around this time. Will Greece ever regain Constantinople. I have the feeling that more things are in store in the future

And I thought of something yesterday. Will the TL end on a positive note like the Ancient Egypt one? It'd be a little more exciting if it didn't is what i'm thinking.

 

[Max Sinister]

Well, now it's a bit too late. You either have to include the butterfly effect from the very beginning or leave it completely out. This TL is entertaining even if it doesn't fit the Chaos theory, and I won't demand from robert completely rewriting it.

 

[robertp6165]

I think there should be more butterflies at some point like max said Though I've never bought into the "butterfly effect" I think long-term that things would start to change quite differently at around this time.

I'm not sure what you mean. The butterflies have affected most of the world by now to some degree. And considering that weve butterflied away World War One, World War Two, and the Cold War...not to mention all the other differences that exist in this timeline from OTL...seems like the butterflies have been active enough.

Will Greece ever regain Constantinople. I have the feeling that more things are in store in the future.

It depends on if Mussolini continues to push his luck, or if he decides to be satsified with his ill gotten gains. If he continues to push his luck, likely there will be a war in which Italy and the Ottomans will be forced to restore Greek Independence.

And I thought of something yesterday. Will the TL end on a positive note like the Ancient Egypt one? It'd be a little more exciting if it didn't is what i'm thinking.

Well, it won't end up with people living on the Moon and Mars and complete world peace, if that's what you mean. The ending will be somewhat more "realistic" than that, I think.

 

[Historico]

Great Installment Robert, What an interesting take on 1925to 1950, Japan has been sorely defeated by Aztlan, The Tawantinsuya almost became the Tawantinsuya People's Republic and Germany seems like it will be the first to land on the moon. I do have a few questions for you.

1. Is it possible for instead of a Space Race to the moon in this TL, That Germany might want to follow up on Von Braun's plans of low orbit Space Station?

2. Did Acahuana appeal to finacing his rocketerring project with the Inca?

 

[Historico]

Great Installment Robert, What an interesting take on 1925to 1950, Japan has been sorely defeated by Aztlan, The Tawantinsuya almost became the Tawantinsuya People's Republic and Germany seems like it will be the first to land on the moon. I do have a few questions for you.

1. Is it possible for instead of a Space Race to the moon in this TL, That Germany might want to follow up on Von Braun's plans of low orbit Space Station?

2. Did Acahuana appeal to finacing his rocketerring project with the Inca?

 

[Historico]

Great Installment Robert, What an interesting take on 1925to 1950, Japan has been sorely defeated by Aztlan, The Tawantinsuya almost became the Tawantinsuya People's Republic and Germany seems like it will be the first to land on the moon. I do have a few questions for you.

1. Is it possible for instead of a Space Race to the moon in this TL, That Germany might want to follow up on Von Braun's plans of low orbit Space Station?

2. Did Acahuana appeal to finacing his rocketerring project with the Inca?

 

[Hendryk]

I see this TL avoids a common AH cliché, that of accelerated scientific development. Nice to see a slower pace in nuclear and rocket research, instead of a faster one as is often the case.

Now, if you allow me a minor nitpick: some purists may object to having so many people from OTL being born in TTL as well, considering the extent of the butterflies. For example, the different history of the American continent implies a different pattern of European migration to it, with people leaving would have stayed in OTL and vice versa, meaning ultimately that some couples won't meet and some children will never be born. But it's your choice to apply the "twitch rule" or not.

 

[robertp6165]

I see this TL avoids a common AH cliché, that of accelerated scientific development. Nice to see a slower pace in nuclear and rocket research, instead of a faster one as is often the case.

Now, if you allow me a minor nitpick: some purists may object to having so many people from OTL being born in TTL as well, considering the extent of the butterflies. For example, the different history of the American continent implies a different pattern of European migration to it, with people leaving would have stayed in OTL and vice versa, meaning ultimately that some couples won't meet and some children will never be born. But it's your choice to apply the "twitch rule" or not.

I agree that the butterfly theory would make it less likely that OTL people would be born...but not impossible. And in some cases they wouldn't be. For example, Thomas Jefferson, Orville and Wilbur Wright, and a great many other prominent OTL people were not born in the ATL. However, I think that a totally random system would produce some OTL people in an ATL. If we exclude that possibility totally, then it's not a totally random system, which in itself violates the "chaos theory," as another poster has called it.

The one major example from America I used in the most recent installment...Robert Goddard...I chose to allow into the timeline because he was from Massachusetts and came from a family which had been in America since the 1600s...before any major butterflies struck the North American continent. Therefore, there would have been a possibility that he could have still been born in the ATL.

 

[robertp6165]

Great Installment Robert, What an interesting take on 1925to 1950, Japan has been sorely defeated by Aztlan, The Tawantinsuya almost became the Tawantinsuya People's Republic and Germany seems like it will be the first to land on the moon. I do have a few questions for you.

1. Is it possible for instead of a Space Race to the moon in this TL, That Germany might want to follow up on Von Braun's plans of low orbit Space Station?

That's possible.

2. Did Acahuana appeal to finacing his rocketerring project with the Inca?

He probably petitioned but was rejected. He had no government funding.

 

[JP_Morgan]

Well, now it's a bit too late. You either have to include the butterfly effect from the very beginning or leave it completely out. This TL is entertaining even if it doesn't fit the Chaos theory, and I won't demand from robert completely rewriting it.

Like I did. Chill out. I never said anything of the sort of completely rewriting it. Obvously, it's too late, but I fely like saying it anyway.

 

[Historico]

1. Is it possible for several members of the Popular Front to have escaped punishment for the Tawantinsuya Civil War to the Quilombo Successor States? Would the tribal states allow for one of the a person of Tawantinsuya descent to come in and lead their country who was part of the Popular Front? And could one of the Popular Front members gain enough Power to enact some of the Facist-like polices simmilar to what Getullo Vargas did in OTL?

2. Does the Armenian Genocide still take place during the War of the Black hand in TTL? Is the Population of Jews in Palestine much larger in this time because of the lack of the Holocoust?

3. At the height of TTL's Pacific War, What is the size of Aztlan's Armed Forces and does it exceed that of the US Military in OTL Pacific War? Also what is production rate that Aztlan is churning out ships?

 

[JP_Morgan]

1. Is it possible for several members of the Popular Front to have escaped punishment for the Tawantinsuya Civil War to the Quilombo Successor States? Would the tribal states allow for one of the a person of Tawantinsuya descent to come in and lead their country who was part of the Popular Front? And could one of the Popular Front members gain enough Power to enact some of the Facist-like polices simmilar to what Getullo Vargas did in OTL?

Sounds like an interesting idea, but you're going to have to reiterate that. Popular Front doctrine. is opposite of Fascism, but I suppose one of them coudl change their philosophy?