The Grey

Ok I've had this idea for a new TL floating around for a while. I've wrote this post just to see how the idea flies as well as see what input and opinions I can get. I hope yall enjoy and look forward to hearing yalls advice and input.



Prologue



1814-1815



The War against Britain had not gone well for the US. Every attempt by the American Army to conquer Canada had been driven back. The only war goals the US had achieved was gaining control of Lake Erie and the defeat of Tecumseh's Confederacy. Now with the defeat of Napoleon and has abdication ending the war in Europe not only were America's main reasons for going to war no longer an issue , but on the war front note it also freed up the Royal Navy and thousands of British troops to be sent to the fronts in America. By the summer of 1814 the war had turned against the US. With the European war finished Britain was able to marshal more resources to North America and had effectively blockaded the entire eastern coastline. Territory in the Maine District of Massachusetts was occupied in July, in August the White House and Capital were burned, and by September the British were advancing further in Maine and the Lake Champlain area of New York. A naval assault on Boston was expected in the near future. Free trade with the rest of the world had virtually ceased, thousands were thrown out of work, and by August banks were suspending specie payment. The federal government was approaching bankruptcy. On top of all this word had arrived from Ghent that the American envoy had never arrived pushing the start of peace talks back until late December.



In December 1814 the New England Federalist Party started meeting in Hartford, Connecticut to discuss their grievances concerning the ongoing war and the political problems arising from the federal government's increasing power. Despite radical outcries among Federalists for New England secession and a separate peace with Great Britain, moderates outnumbered them and extreme proposals were not a major focus of the debate. The convention discussed removing the three-fifths compromise which gave slave states more power in Congress and requiring a two-thirds super majority in Congress for the admission of new states, declarations of war, and laws restricting trade. The Federalists also discussed their grievances with the Louisiana Purchase and the Embargo of 1807. The Hartford Convention continued into the new year with talks and discussions continuing until January when the convention representatives went to Washington to advocate their changes. Upon arriving the Federalists achieved another boost with news arriving of the bloody Battle of New Orleans where 8,000 British troops finally broke Major General Andrew Jackson's defenses and despite sustaining large casualties broke the American lines forcing their retreat and thus capturing New Orleans.



In February 1815 a Constitutional Convention was called. Though there was significant resistance to the Federalist proposals and not all of them went anywhere further defeats in the south at Baton Rouge, Savannah, and Charleston during the month of February as well as the British attack and subsequent burning of much of Boston which left hundreds dead and wounded and many more homeless gave them enough traction to have some successes. The War of 1812 would finally come to an end on April 11,1815. It came to an end due to the fact that Napoleon had returned from exile and war had suddenly erupted again and, though he would eventually be defeated again in late September, troops that had been sent to North America during the peace were now needed back home. It was this and only this that saved the US from losing territory to Britain.



The near disaster that the late war had became gave the Federalist's enough traction to get one of its proposals passed and on May 5,1815 the Thee-Fifths Compromise was was revoked drastically reducing the power and influence of the southern slave states, especially Virginia. This, coupled with the failed war, allowed the Virginia Dynasty to come to an end in the Presidential Election of 1816 when Federalist Rufus King defeated James Monroe.



1820's



As the US began expanding westward past the Mississippi River the question of slavery began to rear its head again and the question would heat up in 1820 in the Missouri Question. There had been talks of outlawing all slavery west of the Mississippi, aside from Louisiana, but that had only really been talks as no attempts had been made to stop slave holding settlers from moving into the Arkansas Territory and Missouri Territory. That changed when the opportunity for Missouri to become a state arose. There was a significant call for Missouri to be admitted as a slave state to more even out the number of free and slave states. Calls for ending the expansion of slave holding states was growing and gaining more and more strength. The debate on what to do would go on with the southern states adamant about making Missouri a slave state however, with the Three-Fifths Compromise no longer valid the south didn't have enough strength in the house to stand without support from some northern representatives. Despite their calls for another slave state in August 1821 Missouri was admitted to the Union as a free state bringing the number of Free States to 14, with the admission of Maine a year earlier, and Slave States to only 11. Washington would compromise some however and to help appease the Southerners and declared that all existing and future territory acquired south of the 36-30 parallel would be slave territory and future slave states. This was viewed as little more than a consolation prize however by the Southerners and the drift between the North and the South grew even more so.



1830's



Southerners were doing all they could to expand American control south of the 36-30 line. They tried to get Washington to purchase Spanish territories in the Caribbean or some of the Mexican frontier. When that didn't work some calls were made for military action but that didn't garner much support either. Some privately funded filibuster expeditions were launched into Central America and Hispaniola and such. Unauthorized by the American government however all of these failed. The most successful attempt by the South to acquire new territory came in the form of Texas where American settlers, mostly from the south, had been migrating to since the 1820's. Though they had lived under Mexican control for years in October 1835 Texas immigrants revolted and by late April had won their independence as a new nation encompassing all former Mexican territory north of the Rio Grande. For annexation both from Texas, and the southern states began almost immediately. Texas was a slave holding nation however and annexing it would mean further expanding slavery, not to mention provoking war with Mexico who did not recognize Texas's independence. So there was no annexation and the South had to make due with only acquiring Arkansas as a new state.



1840's



By the 1840's tensions had grown strong between the North and South. While the US had finally recognized Texas's independence they were still no closer to annexing it. Instead most of the country's population was looking more northwards towards the Oregon Country. Here both British and American settlers had been moving into the area and both nations claimed full sovereignty over it. Though the dispute was small at first as more settlers moved in it grew larger. There were talks of solving the dispute by more or less evenly dividing the land between the two countries. Enough though though anything less than all of the disputed lands would be nothing but a slap in the face to the American people and a reminder of their defeat a generation earlier during the War of 1812. As the !840's decade began and tensions rose Washington increased the number of forts the US held in the territory. This in turn saw an increased British military presence. Though both sides had claims to the entire region both Britain and the US were fairly certain that they wouldn't receive all of it an most of their aims were towards the Colombia river area. The first clashes between American and British settlers and military personnel began in 1844 and became a pinnacle issue of the coming US presidential elections.



Though support for expansion in Oregon had strong support in the north in the south it was almost universally opposed. For one Britain purchased much of the south's cotton and any war would hurt the southern economy dramatically and even more importantly to them was this would only strengthen Free-soil power. Despite their best efforts to the stop it Democratic candidate Martin van Buren who was against Texas annexation and any expansion of slavery was elected to the office of the presidency. Van Buren didn't want a war with Britain either but was more willing to expand there than elsewhere and as tensions and the number of clashes of which some were deadly grew, van Buren agreed to an increased military presence in Oregon to protect American interests in the region. By the Fall of 1845 the US had around 7,500 soldiers scattered across the region and Britain had around 4,500. As the Spring of 1846 arrived President van Buren was doing all he could to keep America out of war.



While the US and Britain were the biggest contenders here there was a third party that neither side really considered and that was the native Indians of the region. The different tribes in the region didn't want either nation in their land, however knowing that the settlers were here to stay, they began choosing sides on who they thought would be the better neighbor. On April 5,1846 a band of 70 Natives attack a British patrol near Fort Nez Perces killing 18. The Natives didn't get off unscathed however with nine being killed and upon further investigation it was discovered that they were equipped with American arms. This no more meant that the Natives were sent by the Americans than a native with a British made rifle meant that he was a British ally. However Fort Nez Perces garrison commander Lieutenant Colonel Edmund Folley didn't see it that way and with over 100 British troops and British militia began moving towards the American Fort Okanogan. On April 12,1846 the British force ambushed 35 American troops killing or capturing all of them before then turning their sights on the fort itself. Though the British force wasn't large enough to take the fort the Battle of Fort Okanogan saw a total of 79 dead and 57 wounded making it the largest and most deadly clash by far.



Word of both engagements spread quickly to Canada and the US causing outrage. Calls for war rapidly grew as both sides saw the other as the aggressor. In the US however the southern states weren't as loud in their calls for war and called for peace to be maintained. Despite their calls the crisis grew more and more. In Maine a militia band took it upon themselves to get justice for the American dead in Oregon and attack the town of Saint Andrews in Canada killing 15 and burning the town. The militia however was quickly destroyed as a Canadian border cavalry unit caught up with them at Baileyville killing 45 and likewise burning the American town. Troops were moving towards their nations respective borders and militias were being called up in the US, mostly. In the US the southern states finally had enough and refused to mobilize their militias and declared that they wouldn't participate in any conflict. President van Buren tried to appease the southern states and tried to get them to stand behind the rest of the nation. The Southern senators informed Washington that they would stand behind Britain and fight if need be only if they agreed to the annexation of Texas as a slave state and renegotiating the 36-30 boundary line. This however, was something van Buren just wouldn't do and said Texas would never become part of the Union.



Unbeknownst to the American units in Oregon of the North-South Crisis, war had basically begun with British and American units firing on one another anytime one got too close to the other. With tensions at a boiling point both sides sought to gain the control of the Colombia River before the other as they saw war imminent and moved towards Astoria. Colonel John C. Fremont moved with 650 men and 3 cannon for the Americans while Lieutenant Colonel Folley moved for Britain with 500 men and 4 cannon. British forces would arrive first with Fremont nearing Astoria a day later on June 9,1846 under the white flag Fremont met with Folley and informed him that Astoria was American territory and not to be occupied by Britain in which Folley replied that there still were no official boundaries in Oregon and Britain would move where it pleased. A standoff occurred for 12 hours between the two forces when sometime in the early morning light a shot rang out and soon after all hell broke loose. The Battle of Astoria was the first major battle fought between Britain and the US in 31 years and for three hours would rage before the well entrenched British force forced the Americans to withdraw. 109 men were killed and 211 were wounded during the fight and it seemed that there was no turning back now.



Word hit Washington about as fast as it hit Toronto and on July 7,1846 President van Buren asked Congress for a declaration of war and got out receiving only 6 votes from the southern states. A week later Washington received a declaration by Britain. For the third time in a century the US and Britain were at war but it seemed only half was willing to fight it. All slave holding states except Maryland and Delaware held true to their word and refused to allow their militia's to be called into Federal service nor allowed their states to be used to conduct war against Britain. As the first shots rang out across the US-Canadian border a standoff was occurring between the north and south. Van Buren had so far not used US regular troops stationed in the south nor moved troops into the south so not to escalate the situation. On August 3 however he finally ordered the warships at Charleston to leave port. As the USS United States set sail a battery of South Carolina cannon opened fire on them resulting in a firefight between the ship and battery with the ship eventually making it to sea though heavily damaged. That was the last straw by both sides an within a week South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Tennessee declared their secession. On August 22 after President van Buren ordered in troops to the rebellious states to restore order Virginia, Kentucky, and North Carolina would secede as well.
 
I like it I think that you got a good start and a take on the American Civil War/ war of 1812 that hasn't been done much I say keep at it good work.
 
I like it I think that you got a good start and a take on the American Civil War/ war of 1812 that hasn't been done much I say keep at it good work.
Doing it this way I'm hoping that I can have a Confederate timeline but be able to tweak it more the way I want because the Confederacy started in a different time under different circumstances so it can be different than the one we all know
 
with the Three-Fifths Compromise no longer valid the south didn't have enough strength in the house to stand without support from some northern representatives. Despite their calls for another slave state in August 1821 Missouri was admitted to the Union as a free state bringing the number of Free States to 14, with the admission of Maine a year earlier, and Slave States to only 11.
With them having been silcenced by being stripped of the three fifth compromise they are going to be going into your atl confederacy feeling more isolated than otl.
Looking forward to where you take it.
 
With them having been silcenced by being stripped of the three fifth compromise they are going to be going into your atl confederacy feeling more isolated than otl.
Looking forward to where you take it.
how more isolation?

I approve if only because I like seeing Confederate TLs that avoid ACW cliches by having a different secession.
I'm hoping to get around some of the barriers that cause too much hell-raising by starting a Confederate TL during the OTL Civil War
 
The OTL Civil War is
a) Done to death on this site and
b) Extremely hard for the South to win
An 1840's Civil War is much more evenly matched, especially if the British are involved.
 
Olt the south turned to secession after it saw its power to protect its lifestyle and economy (slavery)from northerns who wanted it squished. By 1860 this fear had become so great that the election of Lincoln a moderate honestly to be seen as the rise of the anti christ. Here there was no slow loss of balance in the house the south sees its votes ripped away and their intrest ignored out right.
 
A Continent at Arms



Delegates from the seceded states began meeting in Atlanta in late August forming a Provisional Congress and government. On September 7,1846 the delegates from the eleven states declared that the seceded states had formed a Confederation and a declaration of independence was signed. Though a constitution and permanent government were in the works it wouldn't be quick and probably not until they had won their independence, if they won their independence. For now a provisional government was established and a temporary capitol set up in Atlanta.



As the seceded states were forming a government and both sides were preparing for civil war the war against Britain hadn't paused. Just three days after the US declared war Major General Winfield Scott moved out of Montpelier, Vermont with a force of 10,000 regular army troops and militiamen from neighboring states. The plan was to strike hard and fast into Canada and take Montreal and possibly Quebec City before Britain had time to send sufficient troops to the front. 5500 British and Canadian troops moved to halt the American advance at Sabrevois. On July 19 the Battle of Sabrevois became the first major engagement of the war and was an American victory with British led forces withdrawing and the American advance continuing. On the same day as civil war started back on the home front General Scott, reinforced with an additional 3000 men from Massachusetts, started the Battle of Montreal. For the next two weeks the battle raged as an intense bloody street fight took place across the city. Finally British led forces would withdraw leaving the city in American hands though there were now nearly 3000 less Americans to occupy it.



On July 17 brevet Major General Stephen Kearny led a second invasion force of 3,700 out of Maine and into New Brunswick. Kearny faced resistance but most of it was light from militia units and in ten days had captured Fredericton before turning towards Saint John which had only around 1000 Canadian militia. On August 7 Kearny's forces attacked Saint John. Further north however at Gardner Creek 900 Royal Marines had offloaded that morning and began a forced march to relieve Saint John defenders. The arrival of these Marines along with the increased firepower of the Royal Navy turned the Battle of Saint John against the Americans and eventually forced their retreat after General Kearny was wounded by a bullet to the shoulder. By September the American invasion force here had retreated back into Maine.



Nearly 13,000 troops had been gathering in Detroit for a third invasion aimed at taking Toronto. Following the Battle of Charleston Harbor and the outbreak of civil war however the army's commander Major General Zachary Taylor resigned his commission and returned to Louisiana where he would accept being commissioned into the new Confederate Army. Though Taylor was the most senior ranking officer to side with his home over his country he was far from the only one and troops from across the country, both enlisted and commissioned, resigned to simply left their post to return to their homes. In the coming months many of these men would be shooting at those they once served with.



Though the war started over Oregon its distance made everyone know that it'd be a sideshow. This didn't mean that there was no fighting however. Following his defeat at Astoria Colonel Freemont withdrew to Oregon City where he would be reinforced by newly promoted Brigadier General Joseph Lane who assumed overall command. With over 1500 men under his command and word arriving of war officially beginning, though not yet of the southern secession, General Lane moved to try again to take Astoria. Though British forces here had been reinforced as well they were outnumbered nearly 2-1. On September 1 the Second Battle of Astoria began with Lane's forces attacking. Despite their numerical inferiority British forces would fight hard and it would take the Americans three grueling days before they finally forced their retreat. Though the battle was a bloody one it had succeeded in removing the British presence from the strategic town and the front here now more or less ran along the Colombia River.



With the outbreak of war with the southern states Washington was hoping to move quickly and score a decisive victory before the rebels could create an army of their own. They figured if they could crush them in the field quickly enough then most, if not all, of the states would come back into the fold and the US could focus solely on Britain. On September 28 Brevet Major General Senator Franklin Pierce assumed command of nearly 30,000 men set out from Washington to capture the Virginia state capitol which the war department believed would cause Virginia to withdraw from the so-called Confederacy and if Virginia withdrew indeed most of the upper south would follow. The Confederate led forces were led by former Governor John Tyler which numbered about 25,000 and wasn't actually a Confederate Army. Though the creation of a national army had been called for by the provisional government it would take time for it to be an effective force. Instead it was mostly a Virginia state army with the only outside troops coming from a regiment out of North Carolina. While both armies were large and both figured the war would quickly be won they were also both poorly trained and poorly equipped for what was coming.



On October 6,1846 at about 10am the first major battle between the north and the South would begin at the Battle of Fairfax. At the beginning the Battle of Faifax looked like it was just a large show as many politicians from both sides had came out with friends and family to watch the battle that would surely end the war. Quickly they discovered that this wasn't a place to be and in the chaos of battle many were actually swept up before they could escape. For over two hours the battle raged before it looked as if the Northern forces would finally beak Confederate defenses, however shortly after noon brevet Lieutenant Colonel Robert Edward Lee halted and then turned the Union advance while rallied the rest of the Confederate forces and turned the tide of battle. By mid afternoon it was the Union army that was in retreat heading back north leaving much in the way of their supplies and arms behind.



The Battle of Fairfax shocked the Union who quickly realized that this wouldn't be a quick war. Though his force won the battle General Tyler quickly realized he wasn't equipped to command a force in the field and resigned his commission in favor of assisting the creation of a government in Atlanta. Lee however was praised as a hero that saved their great victory from becoming a disastrous defeat. For his actions he was promoted to full Colonel.



Further to the west Union forces prepared an invasion of Kentucky. In southern Indiana 17,000 Union troops under the command of Brevet Major General William J. Worth began the invasion of Kentucky crossing the Ohio River on October 3 and moving towards Owensboro. Here the Confederates had managed to get together 15,000 troops from Kentucky and Tennessee under the command of the Democratic 1844 presidential candidate Major General James K. Polk. Polk had dug in his troops in Owensboro and was intent on letting Union forces break themselves trying to drive them out. The Battle of Owensboro began on October 5 as Worth's troops began their attack. Though Union forces fought well against the Confederates and in some cases fought better, the Confederacy held a good defensive position and after more than twenty-four hours of fighting General Worth reluctantly ordered his forces to withdraw and returned to Indiana. The second major battle of the war was another Confederate success however, unlike in Virginia this one wasn't a major one and Union forces retreated in good order and unopposed. As the colder months set in all fronts began to calm down to a lull as they settled in to winter quarters. This was good for both the US and even moreso the Confederacy as it allowed them to form and train a professional army and prepare themselves for next springs fighting.



As soon as they declared their independence the Confederate provisional government sent envoys to Britain requesting recognition and an alliance against the US. Though Britain would grant them belligerent status they would hold off on official recognition for the time being. However as they were both fighting the same enemy and Britain needed Southern trade, specifically cotton, the Royal Navy would protect the Confederacy's shores from blockade and attack and be allowed to dock in Confederate ports. Trade was also established with arms, ammunition, and industrial material coming in and raw goods going out of the Confederacy. Fearful of other nations recognizing the Confederacy as a nation Washington stated that any nation that recognized the Confederacy would be at war with the US. Seeing as Britain would be the only nation that could really do anything to challenge the US on the continent nothing was thought too much of making the threat. Despite the threat Texas wasn't so hesitant in giving out their recognition however and gave official recognition to the Confederacy on November 10. This didn't sit well within Washington and they demanded that Texas change their position immediately or face military action. These demands were largely ignored and in late November Confederate and Texas delegates met in Houston to discuss the future of the two nations following Confederate independence. On December 14,1846 the Treaty of Houston was signed agreeing that Texas would merge with the Confederacy and become the fledgling nation's twelfth state. While both countries knew that it probably wouldn't happen until the war had ended and independence secured steps in that direction began almost immediately. News of the Treaty of Houston would be the last straw in Washington and the Union would officially declare war on Texas on December 20. The decision to unite their two countries would also cause problems with Mexico who still recognized Texas as one of its provinces just in rebellion and stated any attempts by the so-called Confederacy to acquire Texas would be seen as an act of war against Mexico.
 
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After reading your first post, I got really confused.

You have a convention in which the Federalists send an amendment repealing the 3/5 compromise from the Constitution to the states.

I don't get it. Even in 1815, after a constitutional convention, the amendments must be voted on by the states. In 1815 there are 9 slave and 9 free states. The amendment, to become law, requires 14 states, or 75% of the states.

What 5 slave states are going to vote for an amendment that will reduce their own standing and political power? Maybe Delaware, but who else? Doing away with the 3/5 compromise would reduce their number of representatives and I can't imagine as situation where you get any of the 9 to pass such an amendment.

@herricks, you have an interesting premise, and a lot of positive feedback, and I'm in no way trying to take away from any of that. I just am curious about how you overcome the constitutional requirements to get your amendment passed?
 
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