The Grey Souls: A Central Powers Victory TL

Hello guys this is my first timeline, this is a timeline on Germany winning World War I and its effects into the 20th and early 21st century,

On the morning of September 10th 1914, the Germans crush the French Army defending the Marne and make a breakthrough in Northern France and by February 1915 the encircled Paris cutting off the capital of France from getting supplies and British Support, the occupied territory stretched from Normandy in the north to Orleans in the south, with the exception of Brittany and Paris, Northern France was occupied and the Government retreated to the city of Vichy where the remnants of the French government desperately try to continue the fight, with most of the army trapped in Paris however, contact is impossible as the Germany Army cut off railways and other forms of travel for the occupied French, the First and Second Armies of the Germans attacked the City of Paris from the North on March 1st 1915 with the Third and Sixth Army attacking south of the city, the remaining French and British soldiers surrender quickly and the French Government with basically no defense is now forced to negation with Germany

Meanwhile in the East things have gone successful for the Austrians as well as the Germans, the Austrians win the battle of Galicia and advance toward Ukraine while the Germans utterly crush the Russian Army at the Battle of Tannenburg and now Occupy all of Poland, however with the heavy focus now on the Western Front, Germany decides to start fighting defensive war in Poland against the Russians, with no breakthroughs made in Poland, Russia cannot breakthrough any lines for three years, also Russia has internal problems and the Army is forced to divert to deal with the February revolution, and Russia leaves the war, this allows Austria-Hungary to invade Serbia and annex them in a matter of 6 months with a shocking advance in the Balkans, Italy also joins the War on the Central Powers side

with little hope of winning the French Surrender on April 5th 1915, the British follow soon after, the terms of The Treaty of Berlin signed two months later are:

France cedes Alsace-Lorraine to Germany

France pays Reparations of 15 billion marks to Germany

Belgium cedes a western part of the Liege to Germany

The French cede all African colonies except for Northern Algeria, to Germany

Britain cedes Egypt to the Ottoman Empire

Britan Cedes Nigeria,Sudan,and Uganda to Germany

The Strait of Dover and the English channel become a demilitarized zone
 
Welcome to the board! Lots of World War I alternate timelines, but earlier victory by one side or the other will probably be a lot less harsh than anything post-1916. Interesting vision of post-war Europe - what changes do you see in the East after this?
 
Germany only beat France in your TL, they cannot enforce terms on Britain. Especially forcing them to give up colonies. Beating France is still going to leave Britain untouched. Britain may ask for peace but in no way surrendering which is what the sort of peace terms you are forcing on to Britain are.

Germany would have asked for ALOT more territory from France than just to recognize the ceding of AL in the 1870s. There are very rich industrial areas near Lux and German border that are highly desirable.
 
Hey. Nice start. I'm always looking forward to a Central Powers victory timeline.
Only a few issues with the territorial exchanges. When you say the Germans got Alsace-Lorraine from the French, do you mean that they got the rest of Lorraine that they didn't get in the Franco-Prussian War?
Plus, I don't think the British would allow Egypt (the Suez Canal) or Nigeria (Germany is far likelier to get Kenya). However, the Ottomans are probably going to get Kuwait and Cyprus instead.
 
Welcome to the board. It's always good to see Central powers Victory scenarios, I think they are fascinating! Couple of points however.

If France and Russia fail in the field, the Central powers will not be able to enforce such terms against Britain. Germany's colonies in Asia, the Pacific and much of Africa were lost pretty much from the war's outset (except for maybe German East Afrika) and the Central Powers did not have the capacity to engage the Royal Navy in a manner where they could demand colonial possessions or enforce such harsh terms. Britain is probably going to hang onto these if the land war is lost to save face, though negotiating them back to Germany may not be out of the question.

You would probably see some nominal reparations from Britain but the British would probably continue a naval war if Germany made such massive colonial demands. Enforcing a DMZ on the Channel would be utterly unacceptable and would continue the war. Germany would probably not make such a demands either as they'd be eager for peace.

A quick victory would likely result in Germany taking Alsace Lorraine as you put and take reparations from France. If the CP's have cleaned Russia up, that's where you will see massive changes because Germany was extremely worried about Russian industrialization and were eager to knock them down several notches. Poland will probably be carved off a German puppet with a cadet branch of the German monarchy plopped on the throne. Ukraine might be taken also and probably the Baltic States with more mini-Kaisers to keep them loyal to Germany.

The Ottomans would probably carve of pieces of the Caucasus but lacked the projection to take Egypt. Arab Nationalism will take a very different path with them surviving the war.
 
Welcome to the board! Lots of World War I alternate timelines, but earlier victory by one side or the other will probably be a lot less harsh than anything post-1916. Interesting vision of post-war Europe - what changes do you see in the East after this?
Thank you, I will be covering the east more in the next post lots of interesting that I am thinking about
 
Germany only beat France in your TL, they cannot enforce terms on Britain. Especially forcing them to give up colonies. Beating France is still going to leave Britain untouched. Britain may ask for peace but in no way surrendering which is what the sort of peace terms you are forcing on to Britain are.

Germany would have asked for ALOT more territory from France than just to recognize the ceding of AL in the 1870s. There are very rich industrial areas near Lux and German border that are highly desirable.
Good point, I probably should have thought over that more as Britian wouldn't be under gunpoint from the Germans as the French were in the CP Victory Scenario.
 
Good point, I probably should have thought over that more as Britian wouldn't be under gunpoint from the Germans as the French were in the CP Victory Scenario.

It appears Russia has copped it pretty bad, there would be huge changes there. Lenin was still in exile so the aftermath of such a catastrophic defeat is going to have huge effects but Russia may not fall to Communism (though some revolution is probably inevitable, the Tsar has led Russia to another massive humiliation for the third time in living memory). Germany is going to be able to carve itself an a series of subservient states in the East which will greatly bolster it's power, so you can probably have a play around there ;)
 
It appears Russia has copped it pretty bad, there would be huge changes there. Lenin was still in exile so the aftermath of such a catastrophic defeat is going to have huge effects but Russia may not fall to Communism (though some revolution is probably inevitable, the Tsar has led Russia to another massive humiliation for the third time in living memory). Germany is going to be able to carve itself an a series of subservient states in the East which will greatly bolster it's power, so you can probably have a play around there ;)
I have plans for Russia that dont involve the Tsar or Communism, I will explain more in the next postr
 
Wholly agree with others - such a peace basically makes Germany overnight as big, if not bigger, than the UK and it's really hard to be enforced.
Also, an Italy joining the CP side is bound to ask for the standard Savoy, Nice, Corsica, Tunis set and probably get at least one of them as A-H would likely monopolize the Balkan gains.
Best of luck with the TL anyways!
 
Hi. Good start.

I think Germany would settle for a simple peace with the UK. No territorial changes, no reparations; just back to the way it was.

Also, did I miss something? Germany has had Alsace-Lorraine since 1871.
 
Soon after the defeat of France and Britain, the Russians and the Balkan States too are forced to negotiate with the Central Powers, after officially surrendering on June 16th 1915, the Treaty of Budapest is signed soon after, the terms are:

Russian Concessions:
Russia grants Independence to Poland,Ukraine,Belarus,Latvia,Lithuania,and Estonia, all of these new states are under German influence

Russia cedes the Caucasus Region to The Ottoman Empire


Annexations:

Austria-Hungary annexes Serbia and Montenegro

Italy annexes Albania and Corsica

Romania is split between Austria-Hungary and Bulgaria


The losers of the war are unhappy the effects of the war is profound the most in France where poverty is hard and people are starving, soon Communism becomes popular among the workers, and many refuse to work, strikes happen but Soldiers shoot them down the struggle boils into a Civil War erupts in France between the Government and the Communists in 1918, within 7 months the Communist control most of Southern France and an some enclaves in Brittany and Normandy. the war soons becomes bogged down and neither side is able to get an advantage

Austria Hungary boils over in Ethnic violence espically in the annexed states in the Balkans, soon chaos erupts and rebellions happen in all Austro-Hungarian possessions,shocking ethnic cleansing and extrajudicial executions happen and by 1918, the Empire falls apart, Hungary,Slovakia,Croatia,Serbia,and Bosnia all declare independence, Germany steps in to stop the violence, and sends troops to Austria and Bohemia and Germany annexes them, Germany also mediates the newly independent states and borders are drawn roughly according to ethnic majority.

The Ottomans crumble, Egypt almost immediately rebel after being annexed by the Ottomans, Anti-Ottoman Militants in Hejaz seize the region and declare the Islamic Republic of the Hejaz in 1916, the Rump Ottoman state collapses a year later, Palestine declares independence with little resistance and Jordan joins them, Representatives from Turkey,Lebanon,Syria,and Iraq sign the Istanbul Proclamation in 1918 dividing the remains of the Empire among themselves

Meanwhile in the United States, Republican Charles E Hughes defeats Incumbent President Woodrow Wilson in the 1916 election,while the US is seemingly indifferent to European affairs and remained Neutral in World War I, the influx of immigrants from Europe populated in less populous areas of the country such as the Central and Western reigons, the new President was also very concerned with the power Germany was exercising over Europe and feels if they grow too powerful they would threaten the United States, he also had to deal with Conservatives in Congress and Prohibitionists wanting to block his progressive polices.

The Tsar is overthrown due to the failure of World War I and a Republic is proclaimed, Communist attempt to rise to power like in France but are suppressed by the anti-Communist Republican government who instead want Democracy and moderate Social polices.
 
Interwar

Germany:
Germany having survived the economic downturn unlike allies Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire allies it self with former Central Power states, Italy and Bulgaria, along with German satellite states in former Russian territory form the Central Defense Pact in case of aggression from other European states, the Pact stated in case one country in the pact is attacked, the other nations would help that state militarily, Kaiser Wilhelm II also introduced programs to improve the economic situation of Germany and social programs to keep the economy of Germany stable

France:
Communists start to get the upper hand in the French Civil War and reorganize the Communist Militias into the Red Army of France into an effective fighting force and also severely punishing defections to the pro-Government forces of France such as the Blue Army, The Communists take Vichy and Orleans and occupy a significant portion of Southern France and Brittany by 1920, two years later the Government surrenders, and a Communist Government takes its place, the new Government is a dictatorship and quickly industrializes, also their are secret plans to build up the Military violating the Treaty of Berlin and getting revenge on Germany

Russia:
With the Tsar overthrown some in the New Republican government demand Russia invade the new German Protectorates and regain the land lost in World War I, others are more moderate and some even support and alliance with Germany, the economy is in shambles,and like in Germany, social programs are introduced and works even better then in Germany, the government spends major money on Miltary but are divided in what to do with it, Russia also regained the Cascaucus region after the Ottoman Empire fell

Britain:
After losing the war not much changed, despite Germany demanding a DMZ be established in the English Channel, it is unenforceable allowing the British to maintain naval presence on the Channel, Communists have a presence on the British Isles but their not nearly as dominant as in France and the government is relatively unchanged

Balkan States:
The Balkan States after Germany mediated have remained repetitively peaceful but are divided in diplomatic relations, Hungary and Slovakia are Pro-German and establish diplomatic relations with Germany and also join the Central Defense pact, while the Other Balkan States feel a lot of anti-German Sentiment as they allied with former Austro-Hungarian Empire that oppressed them and form an alliance with Russia instead
 
Somehow I do not believe that Monarchist Germany is going to allow a Communist France to exist as it would be considered a threat. In Britain the Communist would not be a threat but it is possible that the Labour Party might make progress. You might also se the growth of Right wing parties in Britain starting to form. Ireland would probably gain its independence quicker as there is likely to be no British intervention.
 

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Somehow I do not believe that even in France communism might rise to such a prominency.

Without the Russian Revolution as a 'positive' example - in terms such a thing being not only possible but also successfull (despite its very special circumstances) - I don't think communism would spread. But there will be IMHO some rise of 'leftish' groups but more on the line of the majority german social democrats (waiting for the - taught by Marx and Engels - unevitable downcomming of capitalism by itself and 'arranging' themself with the regime in power until this happens).

However,
Warm Welcome here on the board :)

... and as I'm always interested in what others think of the time AFTER a CP-victory, I'm really eager and interested in your solutions : subsribed
 
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