Sorry guys, was planning to get the new chapter up today, but work caught up with me. I think it'll be up on Sunday.
Yeah, it's a bad idea to piss off the Maniots.I smell a Greek "Gallipoli" in Peloponnese...
So I get the plan in the Balkans and around Vladivostok, it is dumb but just the kind of thing they thought would work in 1914.but in Central Asia as well
I was actually just looking at the maps and Baku seems like the right way to go on paper. So far the British haven't moved significant forces to Persia, but that will change shortly. The Central Asian campaign was indeed carried out by allied Persian and Afghan cavalry, supported by British Indians. Most of the infantry is in Afghanistan, securing supplies, etc.So I get the plan in the Balkans and around Vladivostok, it is dumb but just the kind of thing they thought would work in 1914.
But the Central Asian Front is batshit insane. Even the Trans-Caspian railway line is 500 km from the Persian border, the Trans-Siberian is around 1800 km. Assuming they are attempting to advance what today is Turkmenistan and avoiding the Hindu Kush to the east. Their plan was to march through Persia and Afghanistan both which barely have any roads and certainly no railroads to support the campaign. Meaning that at the starting point of your campaign you are already well over 150 km from the nearest railhead or port.
Then 1800 km across terrain that is the home of the Cossack cavalry. Cavalry that is famous for being the best in the world at attacking supply routes. Any infantry stepping foot on that steppe would be committing suicide. So as the British Army isn't exactly bursting to the seams with Cavalry divisions, the attack would in the main part be carried by the 'loyal' Afghan tribes and the Persians. Cossacks would eat them alive.
Any General proposing such a plan would be kicked out of Horse Guards.
No instead they would advance from Western Perzia towards Baku, Eastern Azerbaijan looks flat on a global map. Though in reality this is only true for the first 80 kilometres or so. Now remember that Baku is already the main Russian Oil field which is generating lots of income, though not yet all that important strategically.
So it looks like a nice juice important target that makes for great headlines, though the capture will mean diddly squat to the war making capacity of the Russians. This is one of those campaigns that will look really good to 1914 Generals and Politicians, British-Persians will take Baku and the Turks will take Batum. Everybody is home before Christmas.
Makes sense, regarding the probable plans of the British I have some ideas;*snip*
Thanks for the ideas. The only thing I'm not seeing is the RN on the Caspian Sea. As far as I know they had no presence there OTL and not sure how they will ITTL.Makes sense, regarding the probable plans of the British I have some ideas;
p.s. these plans will meet with some initial success as they push aside the border guards. But when the reinforcements arrive they will turn the Kür into this war's Isonzo.
- Bring along the Royal Navy to contend for the Caspian Sea and its many small harbours that could aid them in supplying their troops. Currently it is a Russian lake.
- https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...d_Efron_Encyclopedic_Dictionary_b54_360-1.jpg Please note that overland supply to Batum goes along the cross Caspian railroad. So taking the cities of Shirvan or Yevlax will seriously hamper any defence south of the Greater Caspian mountains.
- The campaign should consist of four prongs.
- Along the coast. Connecting the front with the second prong as they cross the Kür and continuing north.
- Through the city of Bilesuvar North-East towards the river Kür. Then heading upstream towards Shirvan from the south. If the first prong has cleared the mouth of the Kür then supplies can be shipped up the river.
- Along both banks of the Aras this would be the main push. Towards Shirvan approaching from the West. Supplies can be shipped down the river Aras.
- North keeping the Karbach mountain to their left. As a spoiling attack that should keep the right flank of the main push clear. Though in the dream plans of the British there will be a scenario that this prong will get to the Kür and head upstream towards Tiflis. To meat the valiant Turks coming in from the Black Sea coast to cut off all of Armenia.
- The British will attempt a landing somewhere north of Baku to cut the railroad towards the rest of Russia, the second they gain naval parity on the Caspian Sea.
I may be mistaken, but I believe he was referring to the RN building some disassembled river boats, small destroyers, and submarines, transporting the pieces by rail, and assembling them in some port city on the caspian. I’m pretty sure the Germans did this with a few of their submarines they shipped south and assembled in Austrian ports in OTL WW1.Thanks for the ideas. The only thing I'm not seeing is the RN on the Caspian Sea. As far as I know they had no presence there OTL and not sure how they will ITTL.
Of course not, but they can assemble some gunships in Persian ports. Won't be easy to get the parts there or to assemble before the Russian Caspian Fleet shows up to destroy the half built ships. Think the Great Lakes campaign or the German Fleet in the Flemish ports.Thanks for the ideas. The only thing I'm not seeing is the RN on the Caspian Sea. As far as I know they had no presence there OTL and not sure how they will ITTL.
yepI may be mistaken, but I believe he was referring to the RN building some disassembled river boats
The British also moved some riverine craft to Lake Tanganyika via tractor durring WWI.I may be mistaken, but I believe he was referring to the RN building some disassembled river boats, small destroyers, and submarines, transporting the pieces by rail, and assembling them in some port city on the caspian. I’m pretty sure the Germans did this with a few of their submarines they shipped south and assembled in Austrian ports in OTL WW1.
Oh yes the two boats called Mimi and Toutou.The British also moved some riverine craft to Lake Tanganyika via tractor durring WWI.
The British also moved some riverine craft to Lake Tanganyika via tractor durring WWI.
So looks like the OTL Russian flotilla in the Caspian only had a few ships, but the Soviets moved vessels there from the Baltic and formed the Astrakhan-Caspian Military Flotilla in 1918, bringing the number up to around 50 ships and even some hydroplanes.Oh yes the two boats called Mimi and Toutou.