The Great Crusade (Reds! Part 3)

I reckon that while the UASR would talk a lot about toppling tyrants and expanding freedom and socialism et cetera and will do that in a few cases they will also prop up their fair share of dictatorships as well. This is the Cold war, a struggle for national survival, nothing, well, almost nothing, is out of the question to win. That said I don't doubt that they will try to do good, I wonder if that could lead to a Yugoslavia type situation where the UASR intervenes with the best of intentions and the entire country collapses.

I am not sure if Jello really tackled on something like America propping dictatorships in OTL manner here. Well, not exactly OTL manner in propping fascist like dictatorships like Pinochet's Chile and countless others... but indirectly propping the Soviet zone through the benefits of Comintern's integration process. :eek: Most likely early 1950's Japan is an example, until it democratized... China too if a PRC analogue came up. Even if it's just a leftist ROC that is a one popular front state it already counts. In a way, partly because of Trotsky's success here in TTL of starting the integration process of the Comintern when Stalin died in the war, we can see America propping the Soviet zone indirectly at least for easing tensions. We do have the Communist Unity Party here for that. And Nixon who caused the Irish Missile Crisis in the first place is from the Uniates based on my speculation. He's a pro-Soviet guy here. :eek: Soviet Union's timid attempt of adopting facets of American socialist market economics will make the Soviet zone better off in TTL.... but still bad in human rights violations and still much poorer than America. This thing will last until the Third Revolution and the rise of the Third Left and the Third Party period in the late 1970's when the Soviet Union began democratization, the American ultra-left SEU took over and the Comintern most likely begin to look like a proletarian EU (but most likely without the single currency idea, since even within America there are parallel renumeration systems around since the Revolution like within agricultural communes for example).
 
I don't know what's going to happen to Spain proper, but IIRC, Jello hinted at an "Iberian Libertarian federation", basically a rump Spanish Republic centered around Barcelona. If that happens, it'll pretty much take on a role akin to that of OTL's West Berlin - a Red Island in a sea of Capitalism.

I don't get this. If ever the Spanish Civil War became more of a stalemate and a rump Spanish republic remains in 1939, by 1940 it would just be rolled over by Italians and Fascist Spanish allies as part of the start of the Second World War. So, during the World War II conferences, Spain was agreed to be broken up into two through a latitude on the map by the postwar period or just return it back to status quo of division... but now with a liberal democratic Kingdom of Spain rather than the Fascist one? But I mean something that would make the Spanish Republic alive would really make me feel great. Whahaha. :D
 
I don't get this. If ever the Spanish Civil War became more of a stalemate and a rump Spanish republic remains in 1939, by 1940 it would just be rolled over by Italians and Fascist Spanish allies as part of the start of the Second World War. So, during the World War II conferences, Spain was agreed to be broken up into two through a latitude on the map by the postwar period or just return it back to status quo of division... but now with a liberal democratic Kingdom of Spain rather than the Fascist one? But I mean something that would make the Spanish Republic alive would really make me feel great. Whahaha. :D

Well if Spain is involved in World War 2 then I can see the republic being restored by the UASR.
 
What's gun control like in the modern UASR?

I'd think the UASR probably has a pretty well established "home defense/ militia" system. With many local communities organizing policing forces. Gun laws would probably be lax in some places and strict in others. Here in the South I'd say gun laws would be strict at first due to counter-insurgency methods. But again a well armed local militia would work better against an insurgency here. I'd like to think there'd be a kind of local militia armory where weapons could be stored but easily accessed by the community. This is a very complicated question though just my take on it.
 
What's gun control like in the modern UASR?

Jello himself has said he is conflicted on gun laws, so he might not have a total answer :p but basing it off something he said I think almost every student in the USAR is trained in a form of militia group and given basic weapons handling in school depending on the region.

Just a wild guess and I could be totally wrong.
 
Being aligned to America, I think TTL's Nipponese modern culture would be a bit different from OTL. A stronger Third World and a less capitalist culture industry around would give it less influence though. But it would be there. I see no reason why.

Is something like kawaiisa even getting off the ground though? It has deep roots in traditional Asian culture but there are some aspects of it that are rather socially retrogressive (mostly in regards to gender roles, though there are lots of assertive and independent moe girls), or would seem so from a socialist perspective. Also Japanese otaku culture is almost textbook Marxist alienation - a bunch of (mostly) guys who can't find fulfillment in Japanese hypercompetitive bureaucratic capitalism who turn to idealized representations of females and fantasy worlds to compensate.

There will probably be an anime industry but I don't see moe or something similar existing in a socialist Japan.
 
The Road to War
The Road to War
Like IOTL, the Second World War did not begin suddenly with a single event. Rather, it represented the coming together of multiple conflicts, with each prelude war being subsumed into part of a single, world spanning conflict. In this regard, the war began with the outbreak of the Spanish Civil War, expanded with the outbreak of the Second Sino-Japanese War and Nazi expansion in Central and Eastern Europe, before the war became a conflict of great powers with the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union.

Nevertheless, it is this event that united the various regionalized conflicts into a generalized world war. And it was a war that was truly globalized, with major fighting occurring on every continent, and at the height of the war only a handful of nations were not seriously involved fighting on one side or the other.

The events that led to the eventual outbreak of general war across the Eurasian continent can be summarized quickly. With the collapse of Czechoslovakian resistance, in spite of the heroic efforts by the Communist-led Popular Front to overturn the center-right’s capitulation to the Nazis, German aims turned towards Poland. The fragile Republic of Poland, controlled since the mid-20s by a succession of forgettable military strongmen, had been quick to find common cause with the Nazi state. The Polish government has lived in fear of Soviet invasion for two decades, and saw their German neighbor as a bulwark against that eventuality. Hence, the Polish government pressured Rumania to block Soviet attempts to supply Czechoslovakia.

Unfortunately for the Poles, Hitler found that they had outlived their usefulness with the successful annexation of Czechoslovakia. The Polish untermenschen were in possession of valuable living space and resources that rightfully belonged to the Aryan master race, and it was not hard at all to convince the French rightists to disentangle themselves from the fate of Poland in the summer of 1938.

The difficulty now was to not bite off more than could be chewed, at least at first. Hitler was still smart enough to realize that Stalin would recognize any attack on Poland as a direct assault on the Soviet Union itself in spite of the hostility between the two governments. The trick would be to convince Stalin to stay his hand.

In the months leading up to the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact, the Nazi regime’s public rhetoric shifted towards settling accounts with Britain and the French. Though this created discomfort among his erstwhile allies in France, the Nazi foreign office was able to convince their French counterparts that it was mere rhetoric, while ensuring to their Soviet counterparts that Hitler’s public rhetoric matched the real aims of the Nazi regime.

The pact was signed unceremoniously as a mere attempt at ensuring the peace between two nations, but its secret protocols established a much more sinister agenda. The barbarian horde would be appeased: Stalin’s government accepted German hegemony over Poland and the Balkans, and they would pay tribute in the form of vital trade to strengthen both economies. Raw materials would flow west in exchange for capital goods and technical assistance.

The pact was signed in late 1938 to little fanfare. However, when American intelligence intercepted transcripts of the secret protocols, there was a crisis of confidence in Foster’s government. Uninformed of this by the Soviet government, and indeed feeling personally deceived and betrayed by Stalin, Foster nonetheless defended Soviet policy before a closed session of the Central Committee, as well as within the Politburo.

This would be Stalin’s “great gamble,” as Foster described it, to put the Nazi regime onto a collision course with the two great bourgeois imperialist powers. They would exhaust each other in futile bloodshed over a revanchist cause, sowing the seeds for a new a revolutionary wave in Europe, to be followed by a decisive revolutionary war, in which the Comintern would rally to the defense of new revolutionary uprisings.

Through great effort, he convinced the Left Opposition to not go public with information on the secret protocols, though they didn’t like it one bit. Foster found himself skating on thin political ice with all the factions of the Workers’ Communist Party. The right opposition threatened to defect to the DFLP over the concessions he made to the Left. The Browderists questioned his commitment to the Comintern’s united front. His own faction on the center-left were chafing under his micromanagement, and the Left all but denounced him for allowing America to be backdoored into a pact with the enemies of the workers’ republic.

The spring of 1939 came all too soon. And as the snow melted, so did Poland’s fortunes. Abandoned by the world community, as Fascist and Communist made common cause to seal the doom of the Polish people, they fought gallantly against the German blitzkrieg. But their fight was futile, and in a month Germany had obliterated the armies of the Polish Republic, and put the country under their yoke. What would follow under Generalplan Ost would be nothing short of genocide.

By the end of 1939, all of Eastern Europe, from Danzig to Trieste, all the way to the Soviet frontier was under Nazi domination. Eastern Europe was filled with a Jewish population that Hitler no longer had any patience for. Persecution of Jews, Roma, Slavs (with some exceptions provided to the reliable Croats and others who Hitler felt sufficiently useful) and other undesirables intensified, both by the Germans and their puppets. The first seeds of the Final Solution were sown.

The forces the Germans marshaled from their “allies”, and the resources they obtained, were all organized to build a war machine for a singular purpose. Hitler, as gleeful as a schoolboy for pulling one over on Stalin, drew his plans against the Soviets.

The British and the French had paid their tributes to the barbarian horde as well. Trade, technical assistance, recognition of the German sphere of influence in Eastern Europe; it was all quite valuable. And in time, they might join the Anti-Comintern Pact of their own accord. But for now, they were content to bankroll the Drang nach Osten, and that was sufficient. The time to deal with the Bolshevik menace was fast approaching, and everyone in the world seemed powerless to stop it.

Which is not to say that it went unnoticed. You cannot assemble the world’s largest army on someone else’s doorstep without someone else noticing. British and French intelligence knew it. American intelligence knew it. Japanese intelligence knew it. Even Soviet intelligence knew it, in spite of Stalin’s continued hammering of those who he felt threatened the fragile peace with Germany with their “paranoia”.

The habitual paranoiac and his inner circle seemed to be the only ones convinced that war wasn’t coming to the Soviet Union. While they had made preparations in modernizing the military, they had been less urgent than the situation called for. He was convinced, based on the German’s successful deception operations, that the units stationed on the Soviet frontier were phantom units, to deceive the French into unpreparedness for the coming invasion. The units were really preparing their positions to strike in Belgium and at Verdun. But in reality, the German battle plans against France were the real phantoms. They were in denial, and Stalin most of all wanted to believe that German bellicosity to the west would result in war.

It did not. At 3:15 A.M., on Sunday 19 May 1940, the Luftwaffe commenced bombing strategic command targets in Byelorussia and Ukraine. Within hours, Axis forces crossed the border into the Soviet Union.

The German government announced the invasion to the world later that morning, with Goebbels delivering the radio address himself. Response in Western Europe was muted, with many media sources and the governments endorsing the German line that the invasion was a pre-emptive attack to stop imminent Soviet attack.

In the UASR, the Central Committee called an emergency session of both the CEC and the Convocation of Soviets. The American ambassador in Berlin delivered a final ultimatum to the German government: unless the German government indicated, by noon on 20 May, a willingness to unconditionally withdraw all forces from the Soviet Union, a state of war would exist between America and Germany.

The ultimatum went unheeded, and by the end of the legislative day, the Congress of People’s Deputies had unanimously passed a declaration of war against Germany. Under American direction, the governments of Haiti and Quisqueya both separately declared war that evening, even though both were in the process of petitioning to join the UASR. The governments of Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, El Salvador, Columbia, Chile and Argentina declared war on Germany the following day.


The rest of the Anti-Comintern Pact, with the exception of Japan which maintained neutrality for the time being, joined into the war. This meant that Brazil would be at war with America’s allies in South America, and it wasn’t long before the remaining capitalist states on the continent joined in the anti-communist crusade. With the Republic of China joining the Comintern, and America pledging to an undeclared war against Japanese aggression, the war became truly global.
 
Hooray! An update! And war finally comes to Europe, as a sidenote I have to commend you for not having stupid Stalin be deceived into thinking Germany only had peaceful intentions with him. Also what where the concessions to the far left? (I really don't get what the far left could even want in this situation, they seem to have everything they could want right now).

EDIT: I really hope my post isn't making people think there wasn't an update.
 
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So this has probably been answered but what happened to the original Jello Biafra in this timeline? I just got on a major Dead Kennedy's kick and started wondering, but then again every single time I watch something new I kind of want to know what happened to them in the Redsverse.
 
So this has probably been answered but what happened to the original Jello Biafra in this timeline? I just got on a major Dead Kennedy's kick and started wondering, but then again every single time I watch something new I kind of want to know what happened to them in the Redsverse.
I can't see him taking that stage name ITTL, since I'm fairly certain the Jell-O brand won't be prominent, and it's unlikely for the same circumstances to occur in Biafra around the same time.

I'll have to say that, tenatively, Eric Reed Boucher will still be a punk musician for the time being, but that might change. If only because he is my namesake :p
 
One quibble: you have the German campaign (a campaign unassisted by the USSR) against Poland take a month. It took a month (and a few days) OTL to finish the job against a Polish army not fully mobilized at the time of attack and invaded by the USSR in the midst of the proceedings. Might not the Poles take longer to finish off, since they are presumably fully mobilized and not being attacked in the rear?

Bruce
 
One quibble: you have the German campaign (a campaign unassisted by the USSR) against Poland take a month. It took a month (and a few days) OTL to finish the job against a Polish army not fully mobilized at the time of attack and invaded by the USSR in the midst of the proceedings. Might not the Poles take longer to finish off, since they are presumably fully mobilized and not being attacked in the rear?

Bruce
Poland is also smaller and weaker than IOTL. They don't have control of the large swaths of territory in the Ukraine and Belarus that they did IOTL, and so they have fewer resources and manpower to draw on.
 
So it begins. Excellent update if a bit bland (I prefer history book style or narrative updates).

I could imagine this quote being said by someone in Britain after 1942:

"In 1940, Chamberbalin, Halifax, all of us, thought we were dealing with Bismarck reborn. Instead we were dealing with Attila the Hun..."
 
So it begins. Excellent update if a bit bland (I prefer history book style or narrative updates).

I could imagine this quote being said by someone in Britain after 1942:

"In 1940, Chamberbalin, Halifax, all of us, thought we were dealing with Bismarck reborn. Instead we were dealing with Attila the Hun..."
That's perfect. Can I use it? :D
 

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Poland is also smaller and weaker than IOTL. They don't have control of the large swaths of territory in the Ukraine and Belarus that they did IOTL, and so they have fewer resources and manpower to draw on.
I find it hard to believe Stalin makes the same mistake in TTL when the situation is so different. With the Germans not at war with France and the UK, still carrying on trade, and from what it sounds like, the French aren't responding with mobilization, so Nazi threats look less believable. Keep in mind one of Stalin's greatest fears IOTL was the West ganging up on him; Without the Allies and the Nazis at war, that's still going to be his prime fear and he'll react accordingly.

Secondly, how is Nazi Germany paying for all this? IOTL they only managed to build the Army they pulled Barbarossa with on the loot from France and the Low Countries. They went to War in 1939 in large part because the alternative was that or economic collapse, the economy was massively overheated and foreign exchange reserves were depleted down to near nothing. Unless the UK and France are giving the Nazis outright lend lease, the Nazi economy won't be able to support the same sized army they could OTL, and even with Lend Lease it's not going to have as much motor transport as the Nazi's had after looting almost the entirety of the French motor pool.

Thirdly, if The Soviets kept the bits of Poland they lost OTL, why the heck are they making deals with the Germans from which they gain nothing? They have the USAR to get manufactured goods from, why dick around with Enemies of the Workers?

Fourthly, if the USSR HAS held on to those bits of Poland, they're going to be much better defended than OTL, in OTL the USSR was in the process of moving it's defenses to the new border when they got hit by the invasion, as a result neither defensive line was particularly effective. In TTL you have a static border, which means Stalin's paranoia can run rampant, it won't be the Maginot Line, but it will be nasty, and the troops there won't have been recently shifted.

I really do love your timeline, I just feel like your pulling a Turtledove with unwarranted parallelism with the alt WWII.
 
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