The Golden Eagle, A Napoleonic France after the Peace of Vienna

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Antonio the Komnenoi, Oct 9, 2018.

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What do you think of this TL so far ?

  1. Vive L'Emperur ! Keep going !

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  2. Okay I guess ?

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  3. Change back to the Mexican Empire TL

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  1. Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

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    Why are the numbers so thicc ? Because they include things like Genocides, injuried, and the Petrograd incident in Russia's case.
     
  2. Drakiin26 New Member

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    And it ended up in a French screw. How original.
     
  3. HIM Dogson Rationally Royalist

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    Frankly, this entire TL is based on a Napoleon wank brought about by the chance death of the Tsar of Russia; fitting that France is brought to her knees in the same way.
     
  4. TheNerd_ Noobie History Entusiast

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    Can you link it please?
     
  5. HIM Dogson Rationally Royalist

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    I mean... you're kind of on it
     
  6. Threadmarks: Tsar and the Peasant

    Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

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    Tsar and the Peasant
    What started as a succession war due to a disaster would soon become one of the bloodiest Civil Wars of the starting century. Mikhail and Anastasia started a war that would blow out of their control and create one of the most brutal regimes in history. At first it was a fight of Liberals and Conservatives for the "Rationalist Throne of All-Russias", but as it lasted longer and became more destructive, it gave the opportunity for the Extremes to arise and seek to create a nation on their image.

    But first it was a succession war, While Anastasia's Liberals controlled the core of Russia, they were surrounded by Mikhail's armies in Finland, Kazan, the Caucasus, and especially the armies of Brussilov returning to Moscow. The first phase of the war (January 1915 - August 1918) was a clash of these titanic forces inside of Russia. Anastasia's regent, General Pyotr Wrangel, used the division of the Pretender's forces to crush them one by one, but the cracks in Russia began to spread. When the Northern Offensive was Lauched to retake Finland and Arkhangelsk, the Finnish assembly used the opportunity to declare independence, knowing that the two Tsars couldn't do much without moving vital troops that would allow the other to win.

    The Belarus offensive was the deciding attack, between January 1916 until October 1917, Mikhail's Brussilov army was sent back from the frontlines to take Moscow, Wrangel's army could do little against the almost 2 million war veterans marching to the capital, he ordered the Tsarina to quietly flee the city. Between June and October of 1917, the armies of Mikhail converged into Moscow, cutting them from Ukraine. Using another opportunity with the cut in communications, Ukrainian troops and politicians declared Independence from Russia, forcing Mikhail to send an army to stop it. The division of Mikhail's force saved Moscow.

    After 3 years of war, starvation and destruction by both armies achieved an apex. A man arose from these ashes and prepared to strike the two weakened sides. A group of normally hated enemies united into the Russian Social National Party, led by 2 men: Julius Martov, new leader of the Socialists and Pelletists of Russia (After the death of the Petrograd Soviet members including Lenin and Trotsky), and Boris Savinkov, leader of the Ultranationalist wing.


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    ((Julius Martov))

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    ((Boris Savinkov))

    The 3 men entered in contact with several known opposition groups, from soviets to the military, from capitalists to peasants. A wide anti-Monarchist front was formed, and on the 21th of February, a general strike was called in Moscow, the armed workers demanded "Peace, Bread, and Land". The police sent to stop them joined the crowd, at the council of her regent, Empress Anastasia fleed the city to Germany, the army led the way for the declaration of the "Russian Social Republic". But the short joy would be cut as Mikhail started a second offensive for Moscow, using the destabilization in his favor to end the war once and for all.

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    ((Russia during the start of the Peasant phase, yellow being under Tsarist control))
    Martov and Boris had to once again put their differences aside, creating the "National People's Army" to save Russia from the Tsar's brother. The Second Phase (AKA the Peasant's Phase) would last from February 1918 until March 1920. The defeat of Mikhail's forces in the battle of Moscow was crippling, preventing him from attacking the city a third time. The war was stagnant for the rest of the year, until the People's army grew massively from desertions across Imperial lands. In 1919, the Republicans advanced, and captured Mikhail by the Christmas in the City of Rostov, while he attempted to escape. Mikhail was brought to Moscow where a revolutionary trial sentenced him to death, a shock to all Europe on the 1st of March of 1920. The Russian civil War was over, Just like every reason for Savinkov and Martov staying togheter. They split apart as Martov desired a Democratic Pelletist Republic while Boris dreamed on a Totalitarian regime to save Russia, with himself as "Vozhd" (Leader) of the peoples of all Russias. The power struggle was cut short by the "Night of the National Cleasening", when Boris' paramilitary units and agents assassinated Martov and the leading figures of Pelletism in Russia. With Undisputed power, Boris renamed the country "The Russian State" and gave himself unlimited powers. He would start one of the most Brutal regimes of the 20th Century: Savinkovist Russia.
     
  7. Israel_Dan the Man Well-Known Member

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    Well, here's hoping Savinkov will at least help Russia in some way......
     
  8. Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

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    France's History is far from over.
     
  9. HIM Dogson Rationally Royalist

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    Is that a revived Poland-Lithuania? Who's in charge of it?
     
  10. Višeslav Well-Known Member

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    Just found this TL. I love the premise, though, as you mentioned, the POD is bordering on ASB. Of course, that doesn't matter if you develop it well since the scenario has plenty of potential. I also love the west bank of the rhine & piedmont border for France, it looks somehow pleasing on a map (not for any nationalist reasons, I'm not French). Good luck with the TL, I see you've already done quite a bit with it just by the number of pages. Anyway, nice TL so far, I'm definitely picking "Vive L'Emperur!" in the poll.
     
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  11. Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

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    August Wilhelm von Hohenzollern, son of Kaiser Wilhelm II.

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  12. Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

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    You are in for a long, ongoing, ride buddy, thanks !
     
  13. Threadmarks: All Power to the Emperor

    Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

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    All Power to the Emperor
    While the peasants and workers united against their Monarchs in Europe, the opposite happened in Japan. The fruits of the Korean War continued to harm the Shogun, and the lack of intervention in the Great War meant that he was both irresponsible for the military, a coward for the Samurai clans, and a tyrant for the working class. The case of the latter was an interesting one as from Pelletists to Ultranationalist factions were united in hate of the Shogun. Besides, the old Shogun was dying by 1916, and many saw it as the ideal moment to rise the recently enthroned Emperor Taishō to the position of ultimate ruler of Japan.

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    ((Emperor Taishō))
    In 1916, the Shogun Yoshinobu died, the heads of the Japanese clans were called to Edo for the election. And the conspirators inside the Army, Syndicates, and several of the middle-class sectors seized the chance. A General strike was called and railroads were blown up to prevent the heads of loyal clans from arriving in Edo. In the assembly, the Tokugawa expected an easy victory but were surprised by the screams of "Down with the Shogun, All Power to the Emperor !" Led by General Kamio Mitsuomi, military commanders of Edo seized communication assets and arrested loyal politicians and officers. A menssage was sent across military units across Japan "THE BAKUFU IS OVERTHROWN. SIEZE TOKUGAWA ASSETS. LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR."

    The head of the Tokugawa clan, Tokugawa Iesato, was shocked after receiving such message that only made the heads of the clans snap. They disobeyed the head of the Tokugawa and started a vote that unanimously abolished the office of Shogun and gave the Emperor unlimited powers. On the 3rd of May of 1916, for the first time in centuries, the Emperor was in charge of Japan. And he had many plans for it.

    ((Here it is a small Japanese update, for those who wonder why they didn't join the war, it was the hesitation of the Shogun))
     
  14. Israel_Dan the Man Well-Known Member

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    Why can't there be just one timeline where Japan becomes democratic before WW2 and stays that way?
     
  15. HIM Dogson Rationally Royalist

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    There are plenty of ones like that; The Anglo-Saxon Social Model, With the Crescent Above Us, and Male Rising, just off the top of my head, all feature Japans with healthy democracies.
     
  16. Threadmarks: Seeds of Revenge

    Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

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    Seeds of Revenge
    It was over, news spread across the nation that they were now part of a foreign people that they learned to hate, families and neighbors suddenly were in two different nations. One nation of one language and one people, was split in 3. 3 weak nations. And that was all fault of London and Berlin, seeds of Revenge were planted on the fertile grounds of France. And they would give life to two trees called: Edouard Delacroix and his brother Charles Delacroix.

    But before we dive into these two men responsible for shaping the entire World like few before them, one must understand their mentors, two men that would be representatives of the two extremes of authoritarianism: Charles Maurras and Léon Blum.

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    ((Charles Maurras, the Mentor of Edouard))

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    ((Léon Blum, the Mentor of Charles))
    Maurras started as a minor journalist of a Nationalist newspaper that grew to become the figurehead of a new movement. Growing the idea of a New Europe, calling the French and Germans as the same race that was unified under Charlemagne, the "Father of Europe". But that the old nobility of the Bourbons and Hohenzollerns lied to their peoples, spreading lies about French Nationalism and German Nationalism as different things, he claimed that the old feudal nobility created these differences to divide the people and that the Bonapartes tried to reunify the Franco-German people using a bad way, they desired to make the others French instead of restoring the Frankish culture. He also argued that Liberalism and capitalism would bring only a new class of nobility based on money instead of blood, and that the system itself would collapse. But at same time he opposed all forms of leftism and Pelletism, arguing that "Those that desire to divide society in classes and get them to fight one another, merely want to divide the people to keep themselves in power while weakening the ones that would threaten them." He published called "Roots of Europe" explaining his views, and that would fall into the hands of the War veteran Edouard Delacroix.

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    ((The Ambition of Maurras was to restore the Frankish Empire))

    For his brother, it was the opposite, he made contact with Pelletism before the war, but only after it he became invested on it. His mentor, Léon Blum, was one of the leading figures of French Pelletism, as one of the leaders of the "Parti des Travallieurs". But Charles went a step further, entering the territory of National Pelletism as the ideal nation. With workers fully mobilized into a perfect state with no internal divisions, adding a total mobilization of society towards the military for the spreading of such Revolution.

    The Two Brothers had same origin, born in the city of Lacroix on the French Empire, Edouard was the older brother, being 2 years older than Charles (1886, 1888). They were raised in a troublesome household, depending on their uncle (that married her mother after their father died in 1895), that was tutor of the Crown Prince when both he and the Prince died on the Titan in 1912, both joined the army to sustain themselves and their family, serving in the Rhineland. Charles was injuried by a bullet during Operation Jena, being sent home. His brother fought in the siege of Paris, until the end of the War. Now both were unemployed due to the heavy military limitation over the French Kingdoms (150,000 men for France, 100,000 for Occitania, and 40,000 for Britanny) and were decided on avenge France. The family meetings would be interesting.
     
  17. TheNerd_ Noobie History Entusiast

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    Oh, thank god. Finally, a WW2 Timeline that isn't caused by "NOT HITLER". It was about time writers got more creative.
     
  18. Antonio the Komnenoi A devout Monarchist

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    What do you mean ?
     
  19. TheNerd_ Noobie History Entusiast

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    Well, many times, when TL's reach the early to mid-20th century, they will write their TL's version of Hitler, which is a trope I'm not very fond of. I was glad that you didn't go that route.
     
  20. Drakiin26 New Member

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    Two brothers at the opposite extremes. It will be interesting to see if there is a French civil war.
     
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