The Glowing Dream: A history of Socialist America

There’s definitely a strain of leftists who think Jewish bankers are behind the Iron Heel TTL.

Wow, I am finding a lack of anti-Semitism implausible. That’s just sad.
I am doing a research on the origin of Zionism and what caused people to join the movement, and let me tell you, its sadder then you think. Alot of times jewish socialists were trying to get their comrades to help against the pogroms, but they answered that as jews they deserved it. Zionism was really the only way..
 
I am doing a research on the origin of Zionism and what caused people to join the movement, and let me tell you, its sadder then you think. Alot of times jewish socialists were trying to get their comrades to help against the pogroms, but they answered that as jews they deserved it. Zionism was really the only way..
that's just...depressing honestly...fucking hell
 

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Lenin was the person who thought less of the farmers, and he is condescending towards them, a sort of the prelude to the Dekulakization.
 
I am doing a research on the origin of Zionism and what caused people to join the movement, and let me tell you, its sadder then you think. Alot of times jewish socialists were trying to get their comrades to help against the pogroms, but they answered that as jews they deserved it. Zionism was really the only way..
Unfortunately so, for now anyway. I personally think Vladimir Jabotinsky was a fashy sonofabitch, but he was the one trying to get Jews out of Poland, whereas the Bundists felt that it would be unproletarian. Look how well that ended for them.
 
Idle question: why do people think the Populists have been banned in the future of the TL? Because one guy wrote a book in Britain?
 
Idle question: why do people think the Populists have been banned in the future of the TL? Because one guy wrote a book in Britain?
We don't even know if Penguin Books is prevented from operating in socialist America ITTL, so it's a literal mountain out of a molehill situation.
 
To take the discussion back on track: I think with the solidifying of Frick's totally-not-a-party-state, I do think we won't see any Lenin or Stalin analogues. The best way for the revolutionaries to gain popular support would be to portray themselves as a force to bring back democracy. Despite "not being Reds", if we assume that the national party holds on until the fall of the US in 1919. that's only 14 years out of more than 100 of a more-or-less functioning democratic system, so I doubt America's image of being a "bastion of liberty and democracy" fades out of the cultural memory that fast. With DeLeon and the IWW apparently making up the core of this America's revolutionary philosophy I also think a great premium will be placed on liberty in both thought and deed unlike the explicit small concentration of power enabled by Leninist vanguardism.
 
We don't even know if Penguin Books is prevented from operating in socialist America ITTL, so it's a literal mountain out of a molehill situation.
You're right
We're years away from any global war analogue
For all we know penguin could be in socialist britain.
To take the discussion back on track: I think with the solidifying of Frick's totally-not-a-party-state, I do think we won't see any Lenin or Stalin analogues. The best way for the revolutionaries to gain popular support would be to portray themselves as a force to bring back democracy. Despite "not being Reds", if we assume that the national party holds on until the fall of the US in 1919. that's only 14 years out of more than 100 of a more-or-less functioning democratic system, so I doubt America's image of being a "bastion of liberty and democracy" fades out of the cultural memory that fast. With DeLeon and the IWW apparently making up the core of this America's revolutionary philosophy I also think a great premium will be placed on liberty in both thought and deed unlike the explicit small concentration of power enabled by Leninist vanguardism.
Maybe using the return of constitutional(popular) government as a flag, as frick's regime solidifies and harshens.
 
To take the discussion back on track: I think with the solidifying of Frick's totally-not-a-party-state, I do think we won't see any Lenin or Stalin analogues. The best way for the revolutionaries to gain popular support would be to portray themselves as a force to bring back democracy. Despite "not being Reds", if we assume that the national party holds on until the fall of the US in 1919. that's only 14 years out of more than 100 of a more-or-less functioning democratic system, so I doubt America's image of being a "bastion of liberty and democracy" fades out of the cultural memory that fast. With DeLeon and the IWW apparently making up the core of this America's revolutionary philosophy I also think a great premium will be placed on liberty in both thought and deed unlike the explicit small concentration of power enabled by Leninist vanguardism.
I get the feeling things will go well for his first term then a decade-long decline.
 
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