I suppose I have to wonder is what are effects of WW1 on this new America? Does the US go in and on which side? How late into the war does the US enter? And does the strains of this new kind of war cause the nation to join in the revolution?
The Glowing Dream: A history of Socialist America
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Regarding Russia, the International chapter stated that the alliance between American and Russian socialism shaped the twentieth century. To me, that strongly suggests a socialist Russia.
Hmmm. From what was implied, it doesn't seem like Britain is friendly with Red America.
So, have even Populists been exiled from the country? That implies bad things about Red America...
I just realized that wasn't even the worst scenario, should Mexican revolution and WW1 go down as the same in TTL, and if Frick somehow is insane enough to intervene in both wars, and with anarchy coming after his death... The sh*tshow will made OTL RCW look like child fighting in make-believe game.
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Inadvertently frick is doing the socialist's job for them
Proletarianizing the rural workers will only help the future socialist nation in the long run.
Proletarianizing the rural workers will only help the future socialist nation in the long run.
Considering they are closing ranks with frick and closing off their party to socialists, i don't see why they should have a place in the table.
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A perfect man to turn the military of the United States into a force of oppressing the poor and sowing the seeds of future revolution, from his record in the Philippines.
Because the Populists did that out of fear? And Red America looks like it it will be very authoritarian if there is no legal opposition to the increasingly radicalized and angry revolutionaries?
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I don't see why prewar parties should be the opposition, the movement has many currents as it is.
And non socialist parties will be banned, i have no doubt.
This seems most likely to me. If we presume major divisions based on economic strategy (not that this will be the case, if anything organisation and societal structure might be prominent) but I could expect that the Left-Right spectrum would instead be a spectrum from Co-operatives/Wobbly Shops and a free market, through State Capitalism, to Isolationism. Then you have the other factors, but even those options are strong divisors. Throw in concepts like minimum economic standards, and AnComs/AnSocs you've got a very wide political debate, the only limitation being "Capitalism and Fascism are Bad"
This ain't a Reds clone. America was only a dictatorship for less than a year in Reds. Here the pre-war dictatorship exists for at least a decade.
Democracy isn't magically coming back as part of the communist revolution when the people have already had years to adjust to authoritarianism.
I also think less isolated than OTL and with a Red USA as an ally the Soviet Union will be far less totalitarian
I think it depends on how exactly the Russian Civil War goes.
In a good outcome, the USSR ends up as a dominant-party psuedo-democracy by the 1920s. In a bad outcome, Stalin still takes over the USSR and there's an Amero-Soviet Split in the 1930s.
Stalin is unlikely to be able to take power the same way under these circumstances, he was only able to justify his actions OTL and get away with it until it became an autocracy due to the fact they were the only marxist country, and he could use that to justify "socialism in one country."
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He's also the one that dissolved the Soviets and the Constituent Assembly when the Bolsheviks lost to the Menshiviks and the SRs.
I wonder what Sam Johnson (LBJ’s dad) down in the Texan Black Hills is up to…
Very fun timeline. Although personally I was hoping for the Socialists to win power without a revolution sometimes needs must
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Very fun timeline. Although personally I was hoping for the Socialists to win power without a revolution sometimes needs must
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