I doubt it, caudillos have never needed that much inspiration to exist.
The Glowing Dream: A history of Socialist America
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I doubt it, caudillos have never needed that much inspiration to exist.
So I'm going to guess that Frick or his successor is going to get the United States into World War I which is going to be extremely unpopular and will result in a bunch of soldiers getting radicalized as they were forced to fight in a war they never wanted to be in which is ultimately going to lead to the revolution of 1919.
It will probably help if the Central Power somehow manage to win the war even despite the US' entry into the conflict.
It will probably help if the Central Power somehow manage to win the war even despite the US' entry into the conflict.
Sounds a bit too much like Reds!
Maybe the US will manage to stumble into revolution without war, that'd be interesting. It would have a tiny and very poor professional army then.
Because if the revolutionaries are stronger in the International then it could be the reformists splitting off or being expelled and thus needing to rebrand themselves.
Am not going to lie I kinda want Frick to stay in power. The devoplment of a authortion corporatist America and it's underground socialist opposition sounds very interesting.
Though on the other hand there's a very large and experienced paramilitary force that sidesteps government and answers directly to capital.
I don't think so, or at least not without a big push. If you'll recall, one of the nationalist's platform points was to bring the war in the Philippines to a swift conclusion. I think frick will see that ww1 is going to be a drawn out war on the other side of the globe and not get involved other than supplying material and capital to combatants
Which isn't to say he wouldn't fight any wars, i imagine he'd support plenty of banana republics. Its also not unlikely that he'd get involved in Mexico if it looks like its going socialist
On the other hand, Frick might declare war on the Central Powers early assuming the Kaiser orders for unrestricted submarine warfare to occur. Not to mention there still being a grudge against the Germans due to them arming the Filipino rebels.
Frick might also be more concerned about the Allies going down without paying back on American loans, and will jump in to ensure the Allies can pay them back through German reparations.
I am thinking of the possibility, presuming that 1919 is when the revolution has ended and not when it has begun (thanks to Pemberton being mentioned to be in the underground for the next decade back in the latest update) that perhaps the revolutionary war starts when Frick tries to bring the U.S. into the war when it is already suffering unpopularity and the majority of the population has no interest in joining such a war and it lasts for four years or so which means the U.S. doesn't properly join WWI.
After all, I think Iggies mentioned earlier that the ITTL socialist revolution in the U.S. isn't directly like the Russian Revolution of OTL. But I may be misreading things here.
After all, I think Iggies mentioned earlier that the ITTL socialist revolution in the U.S. isn't directly like the Russian Revolution of OTL. But I may be misreading things here.
There's also the possibility of Frick using the Zimmerman telegram as an excuse to install a puppet in Mexico by force, getting bogged down in another guerilla war.
I think it was only the OP saying that the 2nd American Revolution wouldn't be a 1:1 copy of Russia's (i.e no American Lenin, no Stalin analogue, etc)
You just reminded me we're still in the Banana Wars period. I'm morbidly curious about the atrocities Frick is going to commit
So. US Fascism is going to be more cyber-punky/noir-y/corporatocratic? More like Mussolini's Italy?
I fully expect a Constitutional Amendment to make a US Corporate Council part of the Legislature and then also something like the Corporate Court from Shadowrun part of the Judiciary.
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Based, so essentially the Big Bosses pulling a Weyland-Yutani and becoming the government in America, led by Frick in a Corporate Directory-style government. Is Walt around yet? Let's have him buy the US Marines and put under the House of Mouse