The Gates of Heaven Will Never be Closed: The World of the 1538 Sanhedrin

Acre is developing an honest-to-god Tzabar culture, it seems. Is the pronunciation of this version of Hebrew different than OTL's modern Hebrew? I would guess that the larger influence of Sephardis and Yemenis here might make vernacular Hebrew more phonetically similar to Arabic, for example conserving the pronunciation of צ as similar to Arabic ص.
If you already have a flow of Jews to the Holy Land there is less leverage for ther Zionists to demand a homeland. In addition, a large Jewish community under the auspices of the Ottomam Empire could be seen by the WW1 British as pro Central Powers. Thus the the Balfour Declaration is not declared.
I don't see Zionism arising ITTL, and definitely not in it's OTL form. Less because it doesn't have "leverage" (what does that mean? If anything, Jews from all corners of the diaspora forming a significant part of the population would be a much better basis for a global home for Jews), and more because the original goal of Zionism is already fulfilled - there is a Jewish national home in the land of Israel, and it is at least nominally open for any Jew fleeing persecution.
 
Acre is developing an honest-to-god Tzabar culture, it seems. Is the pronunciation of this version of Hebrew different than OTL's modern Hebrew? I would guess that the larger influence of Sephardis and Yemenis here might make vernacular Hebrew more phonetically similar to Arabic, for example conserving the pronunciation of צ as similar to Arabic ص.

I don't see Zionism arising ITTL, and definitely not in it's OTL form. Less because it doesn't have "leverage" (what does that mean? If anything, Jews from all corners of the diaspora forming a significant part of the population would be a much better basis for a global home for Jews), and more because the original goal of Zionism is already fulfilled - there is a Jewish national home in the land of Israel, and it is at least nominally open for any Jew fleeing persecution.
At this point before Romantic Nationalism even is developed Haamian Zionism(without Haam obviously) is already realized. and a refutation of Der Judenstaat if even published or conceived is met like the Gotha program with you mean like in the Galilee under the Banu Zaydan
 
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At this point before Romantic Nationalism even is developed Haamian Zionism(without Haam obviously) is already realized. and a refutation of Der Judenstaat if even published or conceived is met like the Gotha program with you mean like in the Galilee under the Banu Zaydan
I wonder if the end result of this TL would be a Jewish-Palestinian state under a Banu Zaydan Bedouin monarchy, like a combination of Jordan and Bahrain.
 
I wonder if the end result of this TL would be a Jewish-Palestinian state under a Banu Zaydan Bedouin monarchy, like a combination of Jordan and Bahrain.
Probably. Also American Jewry will be smaller because most of the Russian and German Jews who IOTL would go to America would probably choosse Palestine instead. And those who do will be more drawn by democracy. and the lack of strong guilds in their trade in America compared to Palestine a la Anshel
 
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I wonder if the end result of this TL would be a Jewish-Palestinian state under a Banu Zaydan Bedouin monarchy, like a combination of Jordan and Bahrain.
Agree if the kingdom includes other parts of the vilayet of Syria. You would end up with a kingdom covering much of Syria plus Lebanon along with the Holy Land.

The big question then would Britian and France subdivide it after the First World War because each wants a "protectorate" in the region.
 
Agree if the kingdom includes other parts of the vilayet of Syria. You would end up with a kingdom covering much of Syria plus Lebanon along with the Holy Land.

The big question then would Britian and France subdivide it after the First World War because each wants a "protectorate" in the region.
And remove a better competitor. I mean this regime is basically a Levantine PLC. So Im wondering how Britain and France would sell the Partition
 
Acre is developing an honest-to-god Tzabar culture, it seems. Is the pronunciation of this version of Hebrew different than OTL's modern Hebrew? I would guess that the larger influence of Sephardis and Yemenis here might make vernacular Hebrew more phonetically similar to Arabic, for example conserving the pronunciation of צ as similar to Arabic ص.
Definitely. One of the differences between the Galilee Haskalah ITTL and its European counterpart is that the Hebrew revival is taking place in a setting where another Semitic language is not only widely spoken but the everyday language of many Jews. This will mean a more Arabic-influenced pronunciation as well as more colloquial Arabic borrowings - the 18th century is too early for Galilean Jews to go around saying Yalla but there will be plenty of other usages drawn from the slang of the time. There might also be more divergence between literary standard Hebrew and vernacular Hebrew, especially among the young discontented Jews who are gathering in places like Acre.

BTW, there is still a European Haskalah ITTL, and there might be some disagreement over whose Hebrew is "purer," but the Galilee Haskalah will probably win out simply because of the prestige of where it's taking place.

If you already have a flow of Jews to the Holy Land there is less leverage for ther Zionists to demand a homeland. In addition, a large Jewish community under the auspices of the Ottomam Empire could be seen by the WW1 British as pro Central Powers. Thus the the Balfour Declaration is not declared.
OTOH with such a vibrant Old Yishuv do you even need Balfour. I mean it definitely will kill Hessian Herzlian and especially Jabotinskyan Zionism but it simultaneously strenghtens and weakens Haamian Pinskerian strands. Strengthens by showing feasibility but weakens by showing the Haamian Hessian and Pinskerian theories of Antisemitism to be wrong. The Galilean Renaissance since 1538 shows how it isnt a lack of a national ouvre or political autonomy that drives European bigotry. Furthermore unless something big happens in the mid 19th century, the Ottomans really only have nominal control of Palestine ITTL
I don't see Zionism arising ITTL, and definitely not in it's OTL form. Less because it doesn't have "leverage" (what does that mean? If anything, Jews from all corners of the diaspora forming a significant part of the population would be a much better basis for a global home for Jews), and more because the original goal of Zionism is already fulfilled - there is a Jewish national home in the land of Israel, and it is at least nominally open for any Jew fleeing persecution.
At this point before Romantic Nationalism even is developed Haamian Zionism(without Haam obviously) is already realized. and a refutation of Der Judenstaat if even published or conceived is met like the Gotha program with you mean like in the Galilee under the Banu Zaydan

There will always be some ideological element to Jews settling in the Holy Land - "next year in Jerusalem" is inherent to Jewish religion - but I tend to agree, for two main reasons, that TTL won't see anything like OTL's Zionist movement.

The first is, as Jacob and Space Rome mention, that the Old Yishuv is in much better shape. IOTL, the Galilee had a growing and thriving Jewish community in the 16th century, but that community was decimated over and over again during the 17th through early 19th, and only after 1840 did it have a sustained recovery. ITTL, the community had the numbers, resources and military strength to hold on - it had to give fealty to a succession of overlords, but it retained autonomy and the ability to accept immigrants. So there's no need to establish a Jewish home in the Holy Land - it's already there.

The second is that Zionism IOTL was conceived and implemented as a solution to a specific set of problems - antisemitism and persecution of Jews in the diaspora; the growth of romantic nationalism in Europe and later in the MENA region that excluded Jews; and ultimately, the Holocaust. Some of those problems will still exist ITTL - obviously there will still be antisemitism. But romantic nationalism might not develop in the Islamic world in a way that would require counter-nationalism on the Jews' part, and given how established the Jewish communities are and how they might participate in the region's 19th-century conflicts, whatever version of Arab nationalism develops ITTL might even include Jews. And a catastrophe equal to the Holocaust is very contingent.

It may be that Zionism ITTL will be less a political project than a practical one. Rather than establishing a Jewish state in the Holy Land, it will focus on the logistics of bringing Jews who need shelter to the quasi-state that already exists - providing the ships to bring immigrants and the money to absorb them. This also might mean a less ideologically fraught relationship between the Galilee Jews and the diaspora. But all of this is for the future.

I wonder if the end result of this TL would be a Jewish-Palestinian state under a Banu Zaydan Bedouin monarchy, like a combination of Jordan and Bahrain.
Agree if the kingdom includes other parts of the vilayet of Syria. You would end up with a kingdom covering much of Syria plus Lebanon along with the Holy Land.
I'm not gonna commit just yet, but yeah, that's one of the possibilities, obviously with a loose definition of statehood all around. A great deal is going to depend on what happens at the end of the 18th century and again in the mid-19th. I won't say much beyond that, though, because as I've mentioned, the butterfly net will be withdrawn after Napoleon, meaning that there won't be a WW1 as we know it much less Balfour. There's definitely going to be an evolving relationship between the Yishuv, the regional feudalists, the Porte and the European powers, but again, exactly how that plays out is for later.
 
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Definitely. One of the differences between the Galilee Haskalah ITTL and its European counterpart is that the Hebrew revival is taking place in a setting where another Semitic language is not only widely spoken but the everyday language of many Jews. This will mean a more Arabic-influenced pronunciation as well as more colloquial Arabic borrowings - the 18th century is too early for Galilean Jews to go around saying Yalla but there will be plenty of other usages drawn from the slang of the time. There might also be more divergence between literary standard Hebrew and vernacular Hebrew, especially among the young discontented Jews who are gathering in places like Acre.

BTW, there is still a European Haskalah ITTL, and there might be some disagreement over whose Hebrew is "purer," but the Galilee Haskalah will probably win out simply because of the prestige of where it's taking place.






There will always be some ideological element to Jews settling in the Holy Land - "next year in Jerusalem" is inherent to Jewish religion - but I tend to agree, for two main reasons, that TTL won't see anything like OTL's Zionist movement.

The first is, as Jacob and Space Rome mention, that the Old Yishuv is in much better shape. IOTL, the Galilee had a growing and thriving Jewish community in the 16th century, but that community was decimated over and over again during the 17th through early 19th, and only after 1840 did it have a sustained recovery. ITTL, the community had the numbers, resources and military strength to hold on - it had to give fealty to a succession of overlords, but it retained autonomy and the ability to accept immigrants. So there's no need to establish a Jewish home in the Holy Land - it's already there.

The second is that Zionism IOTL was conceived and implemented as a solution to a specific set of problems - antisemitism and persecution of Jews in the diaspora; the growth of romantic nationalism in Europe and later in the MENA region that excluded Jews; and ultimately, the Holocaust. Some of those problems will still exist ITTL - obviously there will still be antisemitism. But romantic nationalism might not develop in the Islamic world in a way that would require counter-nationalism on the Jews' part, and given how established the Jewish communities are and how they might participate in the region's 19th-century conflicts, whatever version of Arab nationalism develops ITTL might even include Jews. And a catastrophe equal to the Holocaust is very contingent.

It may be that Zionism ITTL will be less a political project than a practical one. Rather than establishing a Jewish state in the Holy Land, it will focus on the logistics of bringing Jews who need shelter to the quasi-state that already exists - providing the ships to bring immigrants and the money to absorb them. This also might mean a less ideologically fraught relationship between the Galilee Jews and the diaspora. But all of this is for the future.



I'm not gonna commit just yet, but yeah, that's one of the possibilities, obviously with a loose definition of statehood all around. A great deal is going to depend on what happens at the end of the 18th century and again in the mid-19th. I won't say much beyond that, though, because as I've mentioned, the butterfly net will be withdrawn after Napoleon, meaning that there won't be a WW1 as we know it much less Balfour. There's definitely going to be an evolving relationship between the Yishuv, the regional feudalists, the Porte and the European powers, but again, exactly how that plays out is for later.
Not to mention that given the Jewish members of Zahir's administration and militia, the Zaydani state can serve as an enforcer of minority millet rights. IE the 1840 blood libel if it arises will be forced to admit Ratti Menton either has no evidence as IOTL or produce it(he wont be able to as he doesnt and cant have evidence) by threat of Zaydani.
 
Just finished bingeing this TL and it's fascinating! My Jewish history classes in high school did touch on Sabbatai Zevi and Tzfat's importance, so I'm not completely out of my depth here.

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Jacob is right, but there's a range - extrapolate "two Jews, three opinions" to the number of rabbis in the Sanhedrin, and keep in mind that it's a Fibonacci series rather than a linear one.
That sent me ROLLING with laughter.
 
The second is that Zionism IOTL was conceived and implemented as a solution to a specific set of problems - antisemitism and persecution of Jews in the diaspora; the growth of romantic nationalism in Europe and later in the MENA region that excluded Jews; and ultimately, the Holocaust. Some of those problems will still exist ITTL - obviously there will still be antisemitism. But romantic nationalism might not develop in the Islamic world in a way that would require counter-nationalism on the Jews' part, and given how established the Jewish communities are and how they might participate in the region's 19th-century conflicts, whatever version of Arab nationalism develops ITTL might even include Jews. And a catastrophe equal to the Holocaust is very contingent.
IMHO, ruling out future confrontations between Arabs and Jews ITTL is too optimistic.

From the way things are developing so far, ITTL Galilean Jewry seems to tend to consolidate a situation analogous to OTL Druze or Maronites, i.e. an ethnoreligious island in an Arab-Muslim ocean.
OTL Mount Lebanon was the scene of terrible inter-community clashes as a result of the Great Powers & Muhammad Ali intervention in the region. Even the Jewish population of Ottoman Syria took their share, as often happens to defenseless minorities in the middle of a conflict. ITTL some great power (UK, Russia?) could decide to intervene in the region using the Jews as proxies.

Nor should we rule out that the arrival of a large number of non-Muslim immigrants to a territory ALSO inhabited by Muslim Arabs would most likely be a source of conflict, no matter how much "prosperity" and "opportunities for progress" that a mass inflow of capital and human resources they could contribute to the Palestinian region.

What is certain is that ITTL the absorption of Jewish immigrants in Palestine would begin earlier, in a more staggered and substantial manner, and that it would not be a process directed solely "from outside", but rather based on the coordination between the Diaspora and the Galilean Yishuv.

And of course, the re-Hebraization of Jews, perhaps even in their family names, would happen much earlier and in a more general way.
 
IMHO, ruling out future confrontations between Arabs and Jews ITTL is too optimistic.

From the way things are developing so far, ITTL Galilean Jewry seems to tend to consolidate a situation analogous to OTL Druze or Maronites, i.e. an ethnoreligious island in an Arab-Muslim ocean.
OTL Mount Lebanon was the scene of terrible inter-community clashes as a result of the Great Powers & Muhammad Ali intervention in the region. Even the Jewish population of Ottoman Syria took their share, as often happens to defenseless minorities in the middle of a conflict. ITTL some great power (UK, Russia?) could decide to intervene in the region using the Jews as proxies.

Nor should we rule out that the arrival of a large number of non-Muslim immigrants to a territory ALSO inhabited by Muslim Arabs would most likely be a source of conflict, no matter how much "prosperity" and "opportunities for progress" that a mass inflow of capital and human resources they could contribute to the Palestinian region.
I'm certainly not ruling anything out. There has been one conflict mentioned already - Fakhr al-Din II's invasion of the Galilee in 1634 ITTL - and there will certainly be more. As you say, the period when European powers are intervening and seeking proxies in the region will be a very dangerous one.

Your comparison to the Druze and Maronites is a fair one (and there are plenty of Maronites immigrating to Zahir al-Umar's realm too, as IOTL), but unlike them, Jews have a diaspora which is a source of support and reinforcements. On the one hand, that itself can be a factor that escalates conflict, but it can also be an aid in navigating the difficult politics and diplomacy of the 19th century, and it will increase the Yishuv's staying power, maybe to the point where it makes more tactical sense to court them than to try to annihilate them. The Maronites and Druze were able to make regional alliances and to maintain autonomy well into the twentieth century; I don't see why the TRL Yishuv wouldn't, although it will have to take the bitter along with the sweet.

As for the immigration, it's taking place more slowly and over a longer period of time than the post-1880 aliyot - again, not something that will necessarily prevent conflict, but could be mitigating, especially since this will be happening without an avoda ivrit program and without the ideological and nationalist baggage of the late 19th-20th centuries.

We're at a point in the timeline where a lot of things can happen - I'm already winging it to a great extent, and will be doing that even more when we get to the 1800s. It's no secret that I'm a meliorist and that the dice are gonna be loaded in that direction. But that doesn't mean that every throw will come up seven.
What is certain is that ITTL the absorption of Jewish immigrants in Palestine would begin earlier, in a more staggered and substantial manner, and that it would not be a process directed solely "from outside", but rather based on the coordination between the Diaspora and the Galilean Yishuv.

And of course, the re-Hebraization of Jews, perhaps even in their family names, would happen much earlier and in a more general way.
Yes - the diaspora will still be more numerous and will have most of the people who can act as financiers (in the 18th or even 19th centuries, being rich by Galilee standards is still very different from being rich by German or British standards, and there is unlikely to be another merchant prince who combines the wealth and Ottoman court connections of Joseph Nasi), but the Galilee Yishuv will be in a position to direct absorption on the ground and will be the existing society to which immigrants assimilate. And the balance of power, both political/financial and cultural, will shift toward the Yishuv over time.

Re-Hebraization could get weird in the diaspora. On the one hand, the literature, music and other cultural output coming from the Galilee will have a wide audience in the diaspora, and although the Sanhedrin's judicial authority is limited to the Talmudic boundaries of the Land of Israel, its rulings will have prestige even elsewhere. On the other hand, diaspora Jews face assimilation pressures that the Yishuv doesn't (and which will only increase after emancipation), religious jurisprudence will decrease in day-to-day importance, and the Yishuv ITTL won't have the numbers to be a complete cultural center of gravity. And as mentioned above, the European maskilim will sometimes compete with the Galilee maskilim for influence. So yeah, the Hebrew revival is going to happen, but it probably won't be universal and will face more headwinds in some areas (with "area" meant in both the cultural and geographic senses) than others.
 
It's interesting to see that TTL "proto-Israel" looks like it will internaly evolve in a smoother and more "traditional" way: an unified religious hierarchy, stalwart defender of the ethernal power, and a more "liberal" (but far from unreligious) urban population, connected to the outer world and "dangerous" new ideas. Everything forecasts that the likely outcome from the friction and interaction between both factions will ressemble a lot the changes many european societies experienced, perhaps differing only in its pace .

I fancy about the idea that, unlike IOTL where the main zionist faction, Labor, was highly disruptive (even heretical) against the most conservative stream of judaism, TTL early "Kibbutz Galuyot"movements among PLC destituted jews will be more traditional. Perhaps some trend among early alt-hasidism ends up blending efectively pietism with "redemption of the soil" idea.
 
Tsade wasn't originally pronounced "ts"? I've never understood why that letter was needed given it could have just been written tet samech
 
But there is one detail that I find very interesting, and about which my ignorance is absolute: the idea that ITTL non-Muslims could carry weapons in Ottoman territory.

Certainly, in territories where the non-Muslim population was the majority, such as in continental Greece, the authorities used Christian militiamen for law enforcement (Armatoloi). And I imagine that in other isolated provinces, such as Mount Lebanon, the Druze and Maronites also broke the armed monopoly....

But were there similar cases in OTL mixed zones in which a Muslim hieftain used, at least partially, Dhimmi militia?
 
Tsade wasn't originally pronounced "ts"? I've never understood why that letter was needed given it could have just been written tet samech
it still isnt its more palatal or alveolar in articulation think the z in do vizenya from Russia https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/27313/why-does-hebrew-transcribe-akkadian-š-inconsistently https://www.jstor.org/stable/1357296 https://pure.mpg.de/rest/items/item_1900120/component/file_2240440/content. Most Arabic cognates use Saad and in my pronunciation its only tet samech where such produces the \s\ as an onset and the \t\ closes the preceding syllable.
 
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But there is one detail that I find very interesting, and about which my ignorance is absolute: the idea that ITTL non-Muslims could carry weapons in Ottoman territory.

Certainly, in territories where the non-Muslim population was the majority, such as in continental Greece, the authorities used Christian militiamen for law enforcement (Armatoloi). And I imagine that in other isolated provinces, such as Mount Lebanon, the Druze and Maronites also broke the armed monopoly....

But were there similar cases in OTL mixed zones in which a Muslim hieftain used, at least partially, Dhimmi militia?
Al Andalus under Shmeul hanagid
 
It's interesting to see that TTL "proto-Israel" looks like it will internaly evolve in a smoother and more "traditional" way: an unified religious hierarchy, stalwart defender of the ethernal power, and a more "liberal" (but far from unreligious) urban population, connected to the outer world and "dangerous" new ideas. Everything forecasts that the likely outcome from the friction and interaction between both factions will ressemble a lot the changes many european societies experienced, perhaps differing only in its pace .

I fancy about the idea that, unlike IOTL where the main zionist faction, Labor, was highly disruptive (even heretical) against the most conservative stream of judaism, TTL early "Kibbutz Galuyot"movements among PLC destituted jews will be more traditional. Perhaps some trend among early alt-hasidism ends up blending efectively pietism with "redemption of the soil" idea.
The 18th century is way too early for full-on secularism to be more than a fringe position - Spinoza's quasi-Deism is pretty much the boundary, and as seen in Acre, even that is combined with a sense of the deity as something ineffable and awesome. And as we'll see when Anshel's journey reaches the Wadi Ara, you're on the mark about what the more "working-class" Polish Jews' settlements will look like.

Between Acre and Wadi Ara, though, Anshel will visit Tzfat, and there we will learn that although the religious hierarchy is unified in the sense of having a single governing body, it is still very factionalized, and that these factions (some of which align more with the new urban openness than others, but which also include incompatible types of conservatism) will also play a part in how the Galilee society evolves. I'm hoping to have that done this weekend but no promises.
Tsade wasn't originally pronounced "ts"? I've never understood why that letter was needed given it could have just been written tet samech
it still isnt its more palatal or alveolar in articulation think the z in do vizenya from Russia
I don't know one way or the other, but according to this (thinly sourced, but written by someone who appears knowledgeable), the original pronunciation of tsade was likely the same as Arabic sad, and this is still the case among Yemenite Jews. If true, this would also be one of the (few?) instances in which Askhenazi pronunciation won out over Sephardi pronunciation in the standardization of modern Hebrew.
But were there similar cases in OTL mixed zones in which a Muslim hieftain used, at least partially, Dhimmi militia?
Jezzar Pasha did, during the 1799 siege of Acre. One can argue, of course, that this was a defensive battle and the rules were different - the defense of cities against sieges often involves people outside the traditional military class. But also, ITTL, the Galilee Jews assumed the "Druze/Maronite" role in the 1560s under Joseph Nasi, whose firman gave him a degree of military authority, so by Zahir's time, they had been bearing arms at least as town militia for 150 years. That would make his recruitment of a regiment from the Polish Jews, and his confirmation of the Galilee Jews' privilege of raising a militia, an easier precedent to set.
 
I don't know one way or the other, but according to this (thinly sourced, but written by someone who appears knowledgeable), the original pronunciation of tsade was likely the same as Arabic sad, and this is still the case among Yemenite Jews. If true, this would also be one of the (few?) instances in which Askhenazi pronunciation won out over Sephardi pronunciation in the standardization of modern Hebrew.
theres also Arabic ard as is Yom al Ard land day. really Hebrew [+coronal] is a mess if you try tracing shin and sin back to P.S. and hence the decades of papers on it. Hendel Hoch et al.
 
@Jonathan Edelstein are there Jewish communities in the Jezreel Valley/Lower Galilee? Or are they currently restricted to the Eastern Galilee, Wadi Ara and Acre? What about south of it? Are there Jewish communities in the Sharon/Coastal Plain/Samarian hills?

Also, on the subject of Hebrew and accents, I see TTL's Hebrew having a much greater diversity of accents than OTL without centralising authorities and figures and with an added 150 years of development. The Wadi Ara polish community would probably keep the Ashkenazi pronunciation (maybe even the ת as "s" part), Acre will have a greater Sefardic and Yemenite influence, and in general there would be more variety of pronunciation. I wonder if they'll adopt the multiple pronunciations of the letter ق/ק from Palestinians Arabic.
 
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