The Four Suns in Splendour: A Wars of the Roses Collaborative Timeline

[EdwardRex]

January 1478: Margaret of Scotland, Duchess of Gloucester, gives birth to a daughter named Cecily after her mother-in-law. England celebrates especially since it seems that Eleanor of Naples is done bearing children.

February 1478: In Burgundy, Duke Philip assumes the regency. Anne of York is relieved and takes up the important duty of raising her daughters and her daughter-in-law.

March 1478: The Duke of Bourbon dies of an infected tooth, which caused a fatal infection. Juana is devastated and unfortunately not pregnant. She departs France in July.

May 1478: Joan of York, the unhappy Queen of Scotland, gives birth to a son named James. After so many hours of mental anguish and prayers, Joan can finally take a breath of relief. James is nice enough to her, and she manages to convince him to wait at least a year so she can recuperate at a country estate. To her delight, she’s even allowed to take her own children: little Margaret and newborn James. After she is churched and her thriving son’s health assured, she leaves. James is happy to see her gone, wanting to focus on his mistress while she is newly pregnant, and is moreover seducing another young lady.

June 1478: Edward IV becomes a grandfather sooner than expected. His illegitimate son Arthur, married last year to Anne Holland, has fathered his first child with her, despite having been instructed to wait. Anne is 17 and the main problem was Arthur, who’s only 14. But baby Edward looks just like his grandfather, so Edward’s proud and holds a party for his son. Despite first gaining the epitaph for his title “the Procreator” for his 23 known offspring (there was a long standing joke at court that in every county, there was at least one child of Edward’s), he has recently received the title “the Pious”, for he spends most of his private fortune on charity and makes pilgrimages constantly.

August 1478: Juana of Castile, who was planning on visiting Rome, is invited to the Navarre court. She accepts and arrives to a proposal from John, Prince of Viana. Wanting to become a Queen (and perhaps even regain her beloved Castile), Juana marries him. Emma of Burgundy announces a second pregnancy.

Births:
Cecily of Gloucester, daughter of Richard of Gloucester and Margaret of Scotland
Peter of Bourbon, son of John of Bourbon and Juana of Castile
James, Duke of Rothesay, son of James III of Scotland and Joan of York
Edward Fitzroy, son of Arthur Fitzroy and Anne Holland

Pregnancies:
Emma of Burgundy, due February 1479

 

[eliamartin65]

Emma of Burgundy announces a second pregnancy.

crosses fingers in anticipation

Please let it be a second son.....

 

[Prince of Permsia]

January 1478: Margaret of Scotland, Duchess of Gloucester, gives birth to a daughter named Cecily after her mother-in-law. England celebrates especially since it seems that Eleanor of Naples is done bearing children.

February 1478: In Burgundy, Duke Philip assumes the regency. Anne of York is relieved and takes up the important duty of raising her daughters and her daughter-in-law.

March 1478: The Duchess of Bourbon, Juana of Castile, gives birth to a son named Peter after her husband. The King of Castile is furious, his wife has yet to bear a healthy son, yet his “bastard of a niece” has given birth, on her first attempt, to a thriving son. Queen Catalina, not pregnant, is miserable and just wants to spend time with her stepdaughter and daughters.

May 1478: Joan of York, the unhappy Queen of Scotland, gives birth to a son named James. After so many hours of mental anguish and prayers, Joan can finally take a breath of relief. James is nice enough to her, and she manages to convince him to wait at least a year so she can recuperate at a country estate. To her delight, she’s even allowed to take her own children: little Margaret and newborn James. After she is churched and her thriving son’s health assured, she leaves. James is happy to see her gone, wanting to focus on his mistress while she is newly pregnant, and is moreover seducing another young lady.

June 1478: Edward IV becomes a grandfather sooner than expected. His illegitimate son Arthur, married last year to Anne Holland, has fathered his first child with her, despite having been instructed to wait. Anne is 17 and the main problem was Arthur, who’s only 14. But baby Edward looks just like his grandfather, so Edward’s proud and holds a party for his son. Despite first gaining the epitaph for his title “the Procreator” for his 23 known offspring (there was a long standing joke at court that in every county, there was at least one child of Edward’s), he has recently received the title “the Pious”, for he spends most of his private fortune on charity and makes pilgrimages constantly.

August 1478: In the small and struggling kingdom of Navarre, the Prince of Viana, John, welcomes his first child by his wife Juana of Aragon, whom he married last year: Little Infanta Eleanor. Emma of Burgundy announces a second pregnancy.

Births:
Cecily of Gloucester, daughter of Richard of Gloucester and Margaret of Scotland
Peter of Bourbon, son of Peter of Bourbon and Juana of Castile
James, Duke of Rothesay, son of James III of Scotland and Joan of York
Edward Fitzroy, son of Arthur Fitzroy and Anne Holland
Eleanor of Navarre, daughter of Jean of Viana and Juana of Aragon

Pregnancies:
Emma of Burgundy, due February 1479

Peter is not her husband. In this timeline the Duke is John, his older brother. He was married to Joan of Valois. Under the assumption that he would never have a son his brother Peter, who became Duke of Bourbon irl was made Duke of Berry and wed to Marie of Savoy, a sister of Queen Charollete and Bona of Savoy.

Also I thought Juana of Aragon was Queen of Navarre. And for that matter, dead.

 

[Reyne]

Claiming.

 

[EdwardRex]

Peter is not her husband. In this timeline the Duke is John, his older brother. He was married to Joan of Valois. Under the assumption that he would never have a son his brother Peter, who became Duke of Bourbon irl was made Duke of Berry and wed to Marie of Savoy, a sister of Queen Charollete and Bona of Savoy.

Also I thought Juana of Aragon was Queen of Navarre. And for that matter, dead

Can edit. About the second thing, that was very stupid of me, considering I crafted the entire plotline. That’s what I get for typing this while half asleep. The bride is now Marie of Orleans

 

[Prince of Permsia]

The King of Navvare's wife? Marie of Orleans is presently serving as regent in Milan. You can move her but it would be kind of out of character. If you want their is a way to make all of this work, one I was kind of planning to do. Have John of Bourbon die and his Dukedom be inherited by Peter. Then have Juana of Castile remarry to the King of Navarre.

 

[EdwardRex]

The King of Navvare's wife? Marie of Orleans is presently serving as regent in Milan. You can move her but it would be kind of out of character. If you want their is a way to make all of this work, one I was kind of planning to do. Have John of Bourbon die and his Dukedom be inherited by Peter. Then have Juana of Castile remarry to the King of Navarre.

That could work? Or I could just find another bride? Any suggestions?

 

[Prince of Permsia]

September 1478: After a failed attempt at betrothing James of Rothesay and Cecily of Gloucester, Joan retreats to her country estates. There she meets the handsome William Brandon, standard-bearer for her brother. Infuriated at her husband's affairs, she's tempted...

Not only were you not claimed, but you cut in front of Reyne. Are you ok dude?

 

[Prince of Permsia]

That could work? Or I could just find another bride? Any suggestions?

Well one of my other plans for Navarre was Elizabeth of Brittany. But assuming you still want him to have a son, you will need someone older.

edit: Maybe Catherine of Alecon?

 

[ordinarylittleme]

Not only were you not claimed, but you cut in front of Reyne. Are you ok dude?

Did not see Reyne claimed. Deleted

 

[Reyne]

Burgenland (Austro-Hungarian Frontier), August 1478: Maximilian cannot tarry long with his wife, despite being overjoyed that he might have another son next year. His revelry is broken by his father, who insists he returns to the front. King Casimir and Maximilian's cousin, Archduke Sigismund, are fighting the Hungarians in Bohemia, but with the Lithuanian's forced to return home after Muscovite intervention, their planned offensive into Northern Hungary has put the joint Austro-Polish plans in confusion. Maximilian, instead of heading back to Bohemia, decides instead to invade Burgenland, where the majority of the populace is German. Odenburg and Eisenach, Burgenland's capital and second most important economic city, surrender to the Austrian Archduke after he gives favourable terms to the cities' burghers. Burgenland is a fine addition to Austria - it's fertile fields do much to assure the food supply for both the Poles and Austrians in Bohemia. With Matthias busy in Bohemia, however, Maximilian looks to the Danube, and the open road between himself and Buda and Pest...

Brabant, September 1478: Catherine of France, Louis XII's youngest sibling, arrives at her future home with a small entourage of French guards. She is received by her husband-to-be, Phillipe of Valois-Burgundy, and his mother, Anne of York. Phillipe feasts his bride with a large feast, and rides with her to the mouth of the Rhine to show her some of his domains. Catherine, childlike and delighted, is overjoyed at the attention of Phillipe, even if she knows his English mother doesn't look very kindly on her. She writes to her older sister, Anne, and her mother-figure for most of her life, "Phillipe is such a valiant Knight! He doesn't make me feel like a child and he lets me be with him in his study, before my afternoon prayers, so that I may learn with him and know the lands I will help him rule! But my mother-in-law, Anne, doesn't look kindly on me, I know. She barely speaks to me, and is always agitated. Mademoiselle de Brie tells me that she does not like us Frenchmen, and wanted Phillipe to marry one of his cousins in England, but it doesn't matter. Sometimes, after Phillipe returns from his discussions with her and I can see him, I see how angry he is."

The little Princess is not wrong, however. Phillipe, who holds no fealty to his English uncle and values his friendship with his cousin, Louis XII, more than distant family, cannot help but disturb his mother. Anne hates France - she hates their little King, who must rape her niece everyday, she hates all of the Spider's supporters, she hates Lorraine. That her own son is following the folly of his father enrages her and she and Phillipe have row after row. Young Phillipe, however, is more than popular to his subjects. They no longer have to pay to protect distant Burgundy, have actual peace in the continent and Brussels' coffers are filling up with money from trade to France. Besides, Phillipe's reign is one filled with new men - who point to Frisia and Guelders, those parts of the Netherlands still not under his rule...

Algeria, November 1478: The Duke of Berry, Peter of Bourbon, the governor-regent of French Numidia, is assassinated by local rebels in Tlemcen. His lieutenant, and new governor, Peter of Luxembourg, Count of Saint-Pol, represses the rebellion in its origins. The French achieve peace in Algeria, and the revenues of Meditteranean trade head to France, where they serve to improve the ports in Corsica and the Southern French coast.

Northern Italy, November 1478: Ludovico Sforza returns to Milan, victorious. The under-manned Venetians could not resist him, with so many of their forces in the Morea, and made peace after he had entered Verona. With Venetian Lombardy in his hands, Ludovico, through his nephew, is now supreme ruler of Lombardy. He makes more plans - to push south to the Po Valley, but he instead decides to winter in Milan. He and his sister-in-law, with their rich coffers, decide to start a process of patronage of many young artists, and Milan, strenghtened by recent victories over Genoa and Venice, is the glowing light of Northern Italia.

Epirus, December 1478: Ferdinand of Naples had done it. Mehmed the Conqueror, tired of trying to force Ferran and his army out of the mountains, had fallen right into his troop and the Neapolitans and Albanians had fallen upon the Ottomans like a cheeta upon it's prey. The Ottomans, unable to react, fell back and fell back until Mehmed, who ,despite his age took to the field to motivate his troops, was hit by a crossbow bolt and fell from his magnificent white horse. The death of the Sultan has sent the Ottomans reeling, especially as his sons - Bayezid and Cem, start fighting over the throne. The war ends with a surprising victory, with Albania, much of Northern Macedonia and all of Epirus being ceded to Ferdinand. He returns to Naples a hero, and the Pope gives him the title of Rex Crucesignati - the Crusader King. Ferdinand receives congratulations from all of Christendom for his massive victory, and he makes plenty of use of it when he starts reeling in his barons, fortifying his realm.

Castille-France, December 1478: For the ever angered Alfonso, Christmas brings him great news. His wife is showing - and for a three month old babe, her belly is massive. The Queen is rather content that her husband is not raging at her for once, and prays for a son. In France, however, Louis XII is becoming a ravenous man. Louis has been stealing public kisses from his wife since the Summer, after their last stay in the Loire, and Magdalena's coming of age at fifteen is a momentous occasion. Despite his fears of bedding his wife too soon, Magdalena manages to convince him that the time is nigh. Their consumation occurs the tenth day of the month and Louis is overjoyed, even too much, as he and Magdalena spend almost all their time together, and often dissapear together during the day. To the royal council, it is great news. Elizabeth Fitzroy is far from court and Queen Magdalena has managed to snatch the King's attention - perhaps too much, but at least, it will mean a son or daughter will come rapidly to the Crown of Saint Louis.

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Deaths:
- Pierre, Duke of Berry.
- Mehmed II.

Pregnancies:
- Catherine of Navarre, Queen of Castille, probably with twins.

 

[eliamartin65]

Claiming next post.

 

[eliamartin65]

Austria, January 1479: Archduchess Emma of Austria gives birth to a second son, named Philip in honor of Emma's maternal grandfather. Maximilian, as well as the Emperor and Empress and her sister-in-law Kunigunde are delighted by the birth of a second son. However, the young Archduke soon leaves to fight the Hungarian forces under John Zapólya, leaving his wife in the care of his mother.

 

[EdwardRex]

Claiming next post

 

[EdwardRex]

February 1479: Queen Magdalene of France can announce that she is pregnant. While technically the pregnancy began before it was supposed to, Magdalene is almost sixteen and, fortunately, not built like her thin and short mother. Magdalene is wider like her father (but not fat by any means), and doctors encourage her that she should be perfectly fine giving birth. Elizabeth Fitzroy’s arranged marriage contract with the marriage with the Count of Vaudemont is broken, and she is betrothed to the Duke of Bourbon, who is overcome with lust to be with her. However, just like her sister, Elizabeth is feeling sick in the morning, and is constantly tired. It’s confirmed she is also pregnant. In tears to her confessor, she admits to succumbing to temptation and sleeping with her brother-in-law, Louis, who is incredibly handsome and charming. Louis does not reproach her and explains that this will be covered up, so she can marry the Duke of Bourbon. Any child she has with Louis could easily be passed off as Peter’s. Queen Magdalene is not told.

March 1479: In Iberia, things are going well. Margaret of York and Ferdinand of Braganza rule over a peaceful and prospering Portugal. In Aragon, Ferdinand and Isabella are beloved by their people. In Navarre, the Princess of Asturias is newly pregnant. However Castile is where the troubles start. King Alfonso, perhaps a little drunk, dies when thrown off his horse during a hunt. Queen Catalina almost miscarries on the spot. But she pulls through. She tells herself that, if she preservers, she will give her husband two sons. Navarre and Aragon seize the opportunity and arm for war. Queen Catalina is at the helm of an unstable regency for little Infanta Maria. She’s technically Queen, but everyone is waiting to see if Catalina will produce a son.

April/May 1479: Elizabeth decides to “make a pilgrimage” to a convent. She will give birth to the child, due in July. Elizabeth has managed to avoid her sister so far, with continually amusing excuses, but Magdalene surprises her. Elizabeth’s obviously pregnant and the two sisters get into a physical fight. Neither are actually hurt but the scandal is legendary. King Edward of England scolds both his daughters and demands they forgive each other. Elizabeth leaves to give birth in the clandestine atmosphere of a convent, while Magdalene enters into an early confinement, per Louis’ orders.

June 1479: In Castile, things blow over when Catalina goes into labor just as she enters confinement (six weeks early). The birth is traumatizing for both mother and children. The first child is indeed a son, christened Alfonso, while the second child is a daughter christened Ana (after the mother of the Virgin). Unfortunately, Catalina is dead within minutes and her children follow not long after. King Alfonso XIV will live nine days before dying, and little Infanta Ana barely manages to survive the summer, but hangs on by a thread. Aragon and Navarre mobilize and begin to attack Castile. The regency is in scrambles. Infanta Maria is hurriedly proclaimed Queen. The claimant from Navarre, Juana, gives birth to a son named John.

July 1479: Elizabeth Fitzroy gives birth to a daughter named Agnes, who is recognized by the King (privately). Queen Magdalene gives birth to a daughter named Marie. Louis is absolutely delighted but his wife and mistress are less so. Fortunately, both mothers and children are in good health.

Births:
John of Viana, son of John of Viana and Juana of Castile
Alfonso XIV, King of Castile, son of Alfonso XIII and Catalina of Navarre
Infanta Ana of Castile, twin of Alfonso
Agnes de Valois, daughter of Louis XII and Elizabeth Fitzroy
Marie de Valois, daughter of Louis XII and Magdalene of England

Deaths:
Alfonso XIII of Castile
Catalina, Queen of Castile
Alfonso XIV of Castile

 

[Prince of Permsia]

I claim the next post.

with Peter dead the next Duke of Bourbon will be his son, a baby.

 

[RedKing]

February 1479: Queen Magdalene of France can announce that she is pregnant. While technically the pregnancy began before it was supposed to, Magdalene is almost sixteen and, fortunately, not built like her thin and short mother. Magdalene is wider like her father (but not fat by any means), and doctors encourage her that she should be perfectly fine giving birth. Elizabeth Fitzroy’s arranged marriage contract with the marriage with the Count of Vaudemont is broken, and she is betrothed to the Duke of Bourbon, who is overcome with lust to be with her. However, just like her sister, Elizabeth is feeling sick in the morning, and is constantly tired. It’s confirmed she is also pregnant. In tears to her confessor, she admits to succumbing to temptation and sleeping with her brother-in-law, Louis, who is incredibly handsome and charming. Louis does not reproach her and explains that this will be covered up, so she can marry the Duke of Bourbon. Any child she has with Louis could easily be passed off as Peter’s. Queen Magdalene is not told.

March 1479: In Iberia, things are going well. Margaret of York and Ferdinand of Braganza rule over a peaceful and prospering Portugal. In Aragon, Ferdinand and Isabella are beloved by their people. In Navarre, the Princess of Asturias is newly pregnant. However Castile is where the troubles start. King Alfonso, perhaps a little drunk, dies when thrown off his horse during a hunt. Queen Catalina almost miscarries on the spot. But she pulls through. She tells herself that, if she preservers, she will give her husband two sons. Navarre and Aragon seize the opportunity and arm for war. Queen Catalina is at the helm of an unstable regency for little Infanta Maria. She’s technically Queen, but everyone is waiting to see if Catalina will produce a son.

April/May 1479: Elizabeth decides to “make a pilgrimage” to a convent. She will give birth to the child, due in July. Elizabeth has managed to avoid her sister so far, with continually amusing excuses, but Magdalene surprises her. Elizabeth’s obviously pregnant and the two sisters get into a physical fight. Neither are actually hurt but the scandal is legendary. King Edward of England scolds both his daughters and demands they forgive each other. Elizabeth leaves to give birth in the clandestine atmosphere of a convent, while Magdalene enters into an early confinement, per Louis’ orders.

June 1479: In Castile, things blow over when Catalina goes into labor just as she enters confinement (six weeks early). The birth is traumatizing for both mother and children. The first child is indeed a son, christened Alfonso, while the second child is a daughter christened Ana (after the mother of the Virgin). Unfortunately, Catalina is dead within minutes and her children follow not long after. King Alfonso XIV will live nine days before dying, and little Infanta Ana barely manages to survive the summer, but hangs on by a thread. Aragon and Navarre mobilize and begin to attack Castile. The regency is in scrambles. Infanta Maria is hurriedly proclaimed Queen. The claimant from Navarre, Juana, gives birth to a son named John.

July 1479: Elizabeth Fitzroy gives birth to a daughter named Agnes, who is recognized by the King (privately). Queen Magdalene gives birth to a daughter named Marie. Louis is absolutely delighted but his wife and mistress are less so. Fortunately, both mothers and children are in good health.

Births:
John of Viana, son of John of Viana and Juana of Castile
Alfonso XIV, King of Castile, son of Alfonso XIII and Catalina of Navarre
Infanta Ana of Castile, twin of Alfonso
Agnes de Valois, daughter of Louis XII and Elizabeth Fitzroy
Marie de Valois, daughter of Louis XII and Magdalene of England

Deaths:
Alfonso XIII of Castile
Catalina, Queen of Castile
Alfonso XIV of Castile

What happened to Alfonso’s son John?

 

[EdwardRex]

What happened to Alfonso’s son John?

He died quite some time ago, not long after birth.

 

[EdwardRex]

I claim the next post.

with Peter dead the next Duke of Bourbon will be his son, a baby.

I never killed the Duke of Bourbon.

 

[Prince of Permsia]

March 1478: The Duke of Bourbon dies of an infected tooth, which caused a fatal infection. Juana is devastated and unfortunately not pregnant. She departs France in July.

@EdwardRex. Oh I should Clarify, Peter did in Algeria.