Yes. Agreed 100%. Here’s another collaborative timeline that managed to be somewhat not-ASB: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...queen-a-collaborative-timeline.524576/page-24
The Four Suns in Splendour: A Wars of the Roses Collaborative Timeline
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Alright I say she stays dead and in exchange OrdinaryLittleMeme can't make any more kills for five in-universe years.
That's a bit harsh no? Maybe 2 years, after a new cap (if it's agreed upon) would limit the number of kills anyways
And also I think we need to be a bit more creative with the deaths. All the men are dying in battle and all the women in childbirth. Where’s my dying by hitting head on the doorway stories (a la Charles VIII)? And I think we should also not focus so much on killing everyone off and focus more on scandals and political problems they cause.
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We all have to worry about someone beating us to a post. It kind of limits how much time we can spend planning things
True, maybe we should start claiming. If so, I claim next post (after the whole Eleanor affair is decided upon).
Okay, so we’ll go with a claim system, that makes sense. The claim will become invalid after a few hours I am thinking 12. You cannot claim until another person completes their claim. As for deaths how about 3 per post with one being random. I don’t feel the need to make the claims creative though, that’s an individual’s issue tbh. As for Eleanor I’ll wait to see other people’s opinions before making a decision.
That will be fine by me. Though I do wish a decision would be made about Elanor.
August 1475: Queen Eleanor of England gives birth to a daughter named Anne. The birth is very difficult, lasting two days, and it’s known after a week that Eleanor’s about to die. She won’t stop bleeding, she’s delirious with fever, and finally she slips into a coma right after receiving last rites. The regency writes to Edward to tell him his wife has died. Edward collapses when he finds out, and spends hours on his knees praying to God. He is asking for a miracle. God provides a miracle. Eleanor awakens. She is so week she can’t walk, or even eat solid foods. But she’s alive, and recovering fast. The doctors explain that she will cannot have another child for at least two, if not three, years. And that’s if she’s lucky. She may never be able to conceive again. But she’s alive and Edward is so happy when he finds out he proclaims that a massive Cathedral should be built in honor of the Virgin’s intercession. The Pope, Sixtus IV, and Edward have formed a close relationship and Sixtus blesses him saying, “May God protect your family, for His love shines down upon thee.” Sixtus also blesses Richard and Edward confirms that he is his brother. At the end of the month, they leave Rome. Edward is set to return to London in December.
September 1475: Margaret of York, Dowager Queen of Portugal, having been overdue by almost an entire month, gives birth on the first to a daughter she names Maria. Margaret, always a strong woman, ends her churching early, and is able to greet her brothers at the end of the month. They visit Portugal where they are warmly received by Margaret. Edward is amazed by his sister’s strength at ruling, and he dotes on his namesake nephew, and his other nieces and nephew. Edward and Ferdinand go hunting together and seem friendly. Both Margaret and Edward are incredibly happy to reunite with their brother and the three spend hours talking over their shared interests: books, the outdoors, and religion. The treaty between England and Portugal is once again reaffirmed.
October 1475: Edward IV and Richard of Gloucester arrive in Brittany to meet their nephew. Jean and his siblings (Elizabeth and Arthur), have never met their uncles but treat them with kindness. Edward and Richard visit Elizabeth of York’s grave as well. Young Elizabeth, a sweet and kindly child, takes a particular shine to the English and an engagement between her and her cousin, the Duke of York, is arranged. Young Arthur is a quiet and reserved child, while Jean takes the exact personality of a younger Edward, which could cause problems in the future. Whatever the matter, Edward departs Brittany in a good mood, brave enough to see his last sibling: Anne of York.
November 1475: The last York brothers arrive at the Burgundian court. To their surprise, it’s chaos. Charles “the Bold” has died, having hit his head after tripping during a tennis match. Anne was able to have a relatively smooth transition to regent. The new Duke is Philippe, Anne and Charles’ eldest son. Anne is friendly, and even requests that, once the regency in over, she may visit England to spend some time with their mother and her eldest daughter. But she can’t keep food down, and is terribly exhausted. After almost five years of separation, Charles and Anne finally rekindled their relationship. Now she’s carrying the last remnant of their marriage. Edward tells Anne that she’s welcome to come to England whenever she wishes, and that he forgives her.
December 1475: Edward IV returns to greet his wife, who is much thinner and tired-looking, but so glad to see him. Cecily Neville is there to embrace Richard. The Christmastide ceremonies held this year were of legend. Edward preformed public plays with his children, who easily make a full cast. Edward gets to meet his newest child, little Princess Anne, who is healthy and so very beautiful.
January 1476: Richard, Duke of Gloucester is married to Margaret of Scotland in a double match with James III, who marries Joan of York. Richard and Margaret take in the children of George of Clarence and Edmund of York, to prepare for their own children.
Births:
Anne, Princess of England, daughter of Edward IV and Eleanor of Naples
Maria of Braganza, daughter of Margaret of York and Ferdinand of Braganza
Marriages:
Richard, Duke of Gloucester to Margaret of Scotland
Joan of York to James III of Scotland
Death:
Charles, Duke of Burgundy
Pregnancies:
Anne of York, Dowager Duchess of Burgundy, due in June 1476
September 1475: Margaret of York, Dowager Queen of Portugal, having been overdue by almost an entire month, gives birth on the first to a daughter she names Maria. Margaret, always a strong woman, ends her churching early, and is able to greet her brothers at the end of the month. They visit Portugal where they are warmly received by Margaret. Edward is amazed by his sister’s strength at ruling, and he dotes on his namesake nephew, and his other nieces and nephew. Edward and Ferdinand go hunting together and seem friendly. Both Margaret and Edward are incredibly happy to reunite with their brother and the three spend hours talking over their shared interests: books, the outdoors, and religion. The treaty between England and Portugal is once again reaffirmed.
October 1475: Edward IV and Richard of Gloucester arrive in Brittany to meet their nephew. Jean and his siblings (Elizabeth and Arthur), have never met their uncles but treat them with kindness. Edward and Richard visit Elizabeth of York’s grave as well. Young Elizabeth, a sweet and kindly child, takes a particular shine to the English and an engagement between her and her cousin, the Duke of York, is arranged. Young Arthur is a quiet and reserved child, while Jean takes the exact personality of a younger Edward, which could cause problems in the future. Whatever the matter, Edward departs Brittany in a good mood, brave enough to see his last sibling: Anne of York.
November 1475: The last York brothers arrive at the Burgundian court. To their surprise, it’s chaos. Charles “the Bold” has died, having hit his head after tripping during a tennis match. Anne was able to have a relatively smooth transition to regent. The new Duke is Philippe, Anne and Charles’ eldest son. Anne is friendly, and even requests that, once the regency in over, she may visit England to spend some time with their mother and her eldest daughter. But she can’t keep food down, and is terribly exhausted. After almost five years of separation, Charles and Anne finally rekindled their relationship. Now she’s carrying the last remnant of their marriage. Edward tells Anne that she’s welcome to come to England whenever she wishes, and that he forgives her.
December 1475: Edward IV returns to greet his wife, who is much thinner and tired-looking, but so glad to see him. Cecily Neville is there to embrace Richard. The Christmastide ceremonies held this year were of legend. Edward preformed public plays with his children, who easily make a full cast. Edward gets to meet his newest child, little Princess Anne, who is healthy and so very beautiful.
January 1476: Richard, Duke of Gloucester is married to Margaret of Scotland in a double match with James III, who marries Joan of York. Richard and Margaret take in the children of George of Clarence and Edmund of York, to prepare for their own children.
Births:
Anne, Princess of England, daughter of Edward IV and Eleanor of Naples
Maria of Braganza, daughter of Margaret of York and Ferdinand of Braganza
Marriages:
Richard, Duke of Gloucester to Margaret of Scotland
Joan of York to James III of Scotland
Death:
Charles, Duke of Burgundy
Pregnancies:
Anne of York, Dowager Duchess of Burgundy, due in June 1476
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August 1475
When King Ferdinando of Naples heard of Elanor's death he was inconsolable. In Rome to meet his son-in-law he tore up all diplomatic niceties and indicted the King for his many sins and for killing his favorite daughter. News of the Queen's survival made these remarks somewhat awkward but Edward forgives him. Nothing will come with feuding and he hasn't said anything the King hasn't thought about himself. Ferdinando extracts a promise from Edward to remain faithful to Elanor and not to do anything that might imperil her health. The two men discuss politics. They agree that they have a common enemy in France, that is why Edward wed Elanor in the first place.
The King of Naples has sought to build a wider net of alliances. To that end
-he betroths his grandson Ferdinand of Naples to Isabella of Aragon
. -His granddaughter Isabella is to be wed to Prince George Corvinus, to seal their alliance against the Turks, and implicitly, to extend it against the French, should that prove necessary.
-He has sent out envoys to Charles the bold asking for the hand of one of the Duke's young daughters for himself, once she comes of age.
September 1475
Turin and Mantua both go into mourning at the death of Anne of Savoy. She is survived by a two-week-old daughter, named Anne after her mother. The Marquis of Mantua is distraught but knows he must wed again.
The French regency council makes marital moves in Italy.
-Bona's little girl Isabelle is betrothed to young Duke Philbert, her mother is delighted that her child will be the future Duchess of Savoy.
-Catherine of Loraine is betrothed to Gian Galeazzo Sforza, infuriating Ippolita Maria Sforza, who had hoped to wed her daughter Elanor to the future Duke of Milan. King Ferdinand of Naples feels growing unease at French ambitions on the Peninsula.
-William VIII Paliologos weds the fourteen-year-old Jeanne of Bourbon. The Marquis is desperate for an heir and for a marriage alliance with France.
October 1475
With affairs in Genoa (brutally) settled, Galeazzo Maria Sforza returns to Milan a conquering hero, and is reunited with his family. A great sculpture of the Duke slaying a Dragon is commissioned to symbolize his conquest of Genoa, whose Patron saint is George. Duchess Marie proudly introduces him to his second son. Though he is respectful, even tender with Marie, Galezzo Maria is in no way faithful. While he resumes his marital duties with his young wife, the Duke also returns to his numerous lovers both male and female.
The Duke of Ferrara grows increasingly irritated at his wife's infertility. Oh, she is pretty and educated and a fine companion, but a wife who couldn't produce children is to d'Este, a pretty accessory, and not of much practical value.
Margret of Bourbon's health has been on the decline ever since her last childbirth. She catches a fever and despite the care of her doctors and loved ones, she passes. Her husband is inconsolable. Anne of France is promoted to the first lady in Loraine and a mother figure to the Duchess's young children. It is a big responsibility for one so young but Anne rises to the occasion.
November 1475
The Ottomans launch a new offensive in the Morea and for safety's sake, Philip has his son and six months-pregnant wife evacuated to Cyprus. Catherine Corano gets along surprisingly well with the Queen. She and the King like her much more than Philip.
Meanwhile back in the Morea, the Ottomans win a deceive navel victory enabling them to land troops on the Peninsula. The rebuilt Hexemalion is breached and soon all the territory Philip had been promised for his principality is overrun. His army falls back to Lepanto where it is besieged.
Casimir IV of Poland bethrothes his eldest son Vladislaus to Knudigrde, daughter of Frederick iii Holy Roman Emperor. It is clear that the two are aligning against Mathias Corvinus. Only the Hungarian King's ongoing war against the Turks keeps them from attacking.
Piere de Bourbon Duke of Berry welcomes a daughter with his wife, Maria of Savoy. She is named Magret after his sister.
December 1475
Catherine Queen of Bohemia gives birth to a daughter in Prague castle who is named Catherine. The Queen proves an invaluable mediator between her husband and the Bohemian nobility. Though their marriage did not start out well Catherine has earned her husband's respect and affection.
Anne of France and her husband Nicholas spend Christmas in Blois with her brothers and her sister Marie. They all miss Catherine and Charlotte.
A raucous Christmas party in Milan ends when Galeazzo Maria Sforza stabs a castrato to death supposedly the boy had refused his advances. Marie of Orleans does her best to calm her husband's temper but as her confessor tells her there is only so much she can do. Her efforts are nevertheless appreciated by the Milanese and the court adores the young Duchess. Marie spends as much time with her children as possible, hoping that by doing so she can keep them from manifesting their father's madness. Her husband at least is gentle with her and even takes her confession that she hopes their next baby is a girl in stride.
January 1476
With Charles of Burgundy dead and the English reopening ties to Brittany and Burgundy the regency council is not pleased at all. Particularly concerned is the Duke of Loraine, in a foul mood since the passing of his wife Margret. With English help, the Duke might try and retake Luxemburg. The union between Elizabeth of Brittany and the Duke of York is particularly infuriating, as it came without royal permission. Crusade plans are torn up and troops are mustered in France itself.
Still, the council is inclined to try diplomacy first. Anne of England is offered a seat on the regency council, provided she does not betroth her children to any English prince or undertake acts of war against Loraine. For his part, Louis is much less concerned about Burgundy, thanks to his good relationship with the new Duke.
The Duke of Brittany is read the riot act. As a French Prince, he cannot marry off relatives without royal consent. Taking advantage of the Savoyard offer, it is suggested that instead Elizabeth should be sent to Turin. After all, a sovereign Duke is better than a mere royal relative.
With the Duke of Savoy receiving a new French suitor, Isabelle of Loraine is offered to Duke Arthur. With all three children of Francis and Elizabeth accounted for, a marital alliance with England is rendered impossible. Jean's advisors are wanted that if these proposals are not accepted then the claim of Marie of Brittany will be considered once more. Jean is furious and declares he will not be intimidated. Fortunately, the regency council is made up of much more stoic men. The only person more angered is Bianca who saw her daughter go from the future Duchess of Savoy to the consort of a second son of the Duke of Brittany.
To say that Joan of York and James iii do not get along is an understatement. Before their wedding, she is forced to publicly apologize for insolently taunting him, and to a much lesser extent making light of the death of poor Queen Margret and her child, but James cares much more about his own pride. James orders her confessor to read Ephesians 5:22-24 aloud to her, every morning. Her social circle is limited to ladies considered reliable by the monarch, and her letters back home are opened to search for any content that would defame the King. The best thing that can be said about King James is that he honors Joan's desire not to have physical relations. Scotland needs heirs so husband and wife must be reconciled, but not yet, though people are working on that.
Births
Anne Gonzaga
Margret of Bourbon-Berry.
Catherine Corvinus
Deaths
Anne of Savoy
Margret of Bourbon
Pregnancies
Catherine Coriano Due February 1476
Anne of York, Dowager Duchess of Burgundy, due in June 1476
Marie of Orleans, Duchess of Milan due August 1476
When King Ferdinando of Naples heard of Elanor's death he was inconsolable. In Rome to meet his son-in-law he tore up all diplomatic niceties and indicted the King for his many sins and for killing his favorite daughter. News of the Queen's survival made these remarks somewhat awkward but Edward forgives him. Nothing will come with feuding and he hasn't said anything the King hasn't thought about himself. Ferdinando extracts a promise from Edward to remain faithful to Elanor and not to do anything that might imperil her health. The two men discuss politics. They agree that they have a common enemy in France, that is why Edward wed Elanor in the first place.
The King of Naples has sought to build a wider net of alliances. To that end
-he betroths his grandson Ferdinand of Naples to Isabella of Aragon
. -His granddaughter Isabella is to be wed to Prince George Corvinus, to seal their alliance against the Turks, and implicitly, to extend it against the French, should that prove necessary.
-He has sent out envoys to Charles the bold asking for the hand of one of the Duke's young daughters for himself, once she comes of age.
September 1475
Turin and Mantua both go into mourning at the death of Anne of Savoy. She is survived by a two-week-old daughter, named Anne after her mother. The Marquis of Mantua is distraught but knows he must wed again.
The French regency council makes marital moves in Italy.
-Bona's little girl Isabelle is betrothed to young Duke Philbert, her mother is delighted that her child will be the future Duchess of Savoy.
-Catherine of Loraine is betrothed to Gian Galeazzo Sforza, infuriating Ippolita Maria Sforza, who had hoped to wed her daughter Elanor to the future Duke of Milan. King Ferdinand of Naples feels growing unease at French ambitions on the Peninsula.
-William VIII Paliologos weds the fourteen-year-old Jeanne of Bourbon. The Marquis is desperate for an heir and for a marriage alliance with France.
October 1475
With affairs in Genoa (brutally) settled, Galeazzo Maria Sforza returns to Milan a conquering hero, and is reunited with his family. A great sculpture of the Duke slaying a Dragon is commissioned to symbolize his conquest of Genoa, whose Patron saint is George. Duchess Marie proudly introduces him to his second son. Though he is respectful, even tender with Marie, Galezzo Maria is in no way faithful. While he resumes his marital duties with his young wife, the Duke also returns to his numerous lovers both male and female.
The Duke of Ferrara grows increasingly irritated at his wife's infertility. Oh, she is pretty and educated and a fine companion, but a wife who couldn't produce children is to d'Este, a pretty accessory, and not of much practical value.
Margret of Bourbon's health has been on the decline ever since her last childbirth. She catches a fever and despite the care of her doctors and loved ones, she passes. Her husband is inconsolable. Anne of France is promoted to the first lady in Loraine and a mother figure to the Duchess's young children. It is a big responsibility for one so young but Anne rises to the occasion.
November 1475
The Ottomans launch a new offensive in the Morea and for safety's sake, Philip has his son and six months-pregnant wife evacuated to Cyprus. Catherine Corano gets along surprisingly well with the Queen. She and the King like her much more than Philip.
Meanwhile back in the Morea, the Ottomans win a deceive navel victory enabling them to land troops on the Peninsula. The rebuilt Hexemalion is breached and soon all the territory Philip had been promised for his principality is overrun. His army falls back to Lepanto where it is besieged.
Casimir IV of Poland bethrothes his eldest son Vladislaus to Knudigrde, daughter of Frederick iii Holy Roman Emperor. It is clear that the two are aligning against Mathias Corvinus. Only the Hungarian King's ongoing war against the Turks keeps them from attacking.
Piere de Bourbon Duke of Berry welcomes a daughter with his wife, Maria of Savoy. She is named Magret after his sister.
December 1475
Catherine Queen of Bohemia gives birth to a daughter in Prague castle who is named Catherine. The Queen proves an invaluable mediator between her husband and the Bohemian nobility. Though their marriage did not start out well Catherine has earned her husband's respect and affection.
Anne of France and her husband Nicholas spend Christmas in Blois with her brothers and her sister Marie. They all miss Catherine and Charlotte.
A raucous Christmas party in Milan ends when Galeazzo Maria Sforza stabs a castrato to death supposedly the boy had refused his advances. Marie of Orleans does her best to calm her husband's temper but as her confessor tells her there is only so much she can do. Her efforts are nevertheless appreciated by the Milanese and the court adores the young Duchess. Marie spends as much time with her children as possible, hoping that by doing so she can keep them from manifesting their father's madness. Her husband at least is gentle with her and even takes her confession that she hopes their next baby is a girl in stride.
January 1476
With Charles of Burgundy dead and the English reopening ties to Brittany and Burgundy the regency council is not pleased at all. Particularly concerned is the Duke of Loraine, in a foul mood since the passing of his wife Margret. With English help, the Duke might try and retake Luxemburg. The union between Elizabeth of Brittany and the Duke of York is particularly infuriating, as it came without royal permission. Crusade plans are torn up and troops are mustered in France itself.
Still, the council is inclined to try diplomacy first. Anne of England is offered a seat on the regency council, provided she does not betroth her children to any English prince or undertake acts of war against Loraine. For his part, Louis is much less concerned about Burgundy, thanks to his good relationship with the new Duke.
The Duke of Brittany is read the riot act. As a French Prince, he cannot marry off relatives without royal consent. Taking advantage of the Savoyard offer, it is suggested that instead Elizabeth should be sent to Turin. After all, a sovereign Duke is better than a mere royal relative.
With the Duke of Savoy receiving a new French suitor, Isabelle of Loraine is offered to Duke Arthur. With all three children of Francis and Elizabeth accounted for, a marital alliance with England is rendered impossible. Jean's advisors are wanted that if these proposals are not accepted then the claim of Marie of Brittany will be considered once more. Jean is furious and declares he will not be intimidated. Fortunately, the regency council is made up of much more stoic men. The only person more angered is Bianca who saw her daughter go from the future Duchess of Savoy to the consort of a second son of the Duke of Brittany.
To say that Joan of York and James iii do not get along is an understatement. Before their wedding, she is forced to publicly apologize for insolently taunting him, and to a much lesser extent making light of the death of poor Queen Margret and her child, but James cares much more about his own pride. James orders her confessor to read Ephesians 5:22-24 aloud to her, every morning. Her social circle is limited to ladies considered reliable by the monarch, and her letters back home are opened to search for any content that would defame the King. The best thing that can be said about King James is that he honors Joan's desire not to have physical relations. Scotland needs heirs so husband and wife must be reconciled, but not yet, though people are working on that.
Births
Anne Gonzaga
Margret of Bourbon-Berry.
Catherine Corvinus
Deaths
Anne of Savoy
Margret of Bourbon
Pregnancies
Catherine Coriano Due February 1476
Anne of York, Dowager Duchess of Burgundy, due in June 1476
Marie of Orleans, Duchess of Milan due August 1476
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