The Four Horsemen: the Nuclear Apocalypse of 1962
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Given they probably lived outside the main cities, they escaped the nuclear fire
I wonder how will the IDR be like: neo-Stalinist shithole, democratic socialist utopia (for post-apocalyptic standards) or somewhere in between? The loss of Rome and several millennia of history will be a huge blow on morale for the country though, even more so than the Pope having been turned to ash. Personally, I would've gladly sacrificed several million people more to save those cities from being erased from the face of the planet, human beings have a very limited lifespan, unlike archaeological and historical records.
Woah, brave words there. Well, at least you're advocating nothing.
I know that the loss of the Eternal city is such a dismay, but I believe that most people would fight to death for their own lives and those that they care for, which I believe do extend to this very thread.
Famous cities have been burned before and unfortunately will be. Warsaw was virtually erased on 1944, similar fate almost happened to Paris the same year. Who mourns for countless cities lost to the German aggression in the East? Buildings can be repaired, architectural designs can be recreated but the human life is irreplaceable - among those several million people could be someone who discovered cures for diseases plaguing the post-nuclear world, newest techniques that will produce enough food to feed starving populations, unify the Earth into democratic near-utopia or speaking more optimistically, make a FTL drive and discover new planets to explore, civilizations to meet, etc.
An no, the Eternal City is not eternal. It's the same as Warsaw that perished during the World War II, the same as Native American settlements destroyed during the colonial period, marvels of the Aztec capital in Mexico. City do not live, city do not feel - it's made by the human hands, not the other way. I would not give 1 human live to save few bricks linked by a cement. I'd rather record it to recreate in the future.
grassyknollshooter
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Well luckily Americans agreed to remove their missiles from Europe...
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Lord_Gallicus
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There would be a huge conservative reaction to the horrors and deprivations of the post war world. This world will be much more socially conservative, even more the further east you go, it seems. No way Germany gould be a liberal democracy with this much destruction. East of Germany would be a scary place to live for sure. I wonder what is happened in European Russia right now.
The general xenophobia and nationalism this situation will produce in europe is scary. Most Europeans will blame the Americans as entangling them in a war in which they never wanted a part of. Wouldn't this create huge resentment of America and the liberalism it represents? My guess is that communism and dictatorship benefits over social/ conservative democracy.
What is happening in South Africa now? I would think that ww3 would benefit the apartheid regime. Whats racial discrimination anymore when literally hundreds of millions have been vaporized, starved or killed, right? A scary world indeed.
The general xenophobia and nationalism this situation will produce in europe is scary. Most Europeans will blame the Americans as entangling them in a war in which they never wanted a part of. Wouldn't this create huge resentment of America and the liberalism it represents? My guess is that communism and dictatorship benefits over social/ conservative democracy.
What is happening in South Africa now? I would think that ww3 would benefit the apartheid regime. Whats racial discrimination anymore when literally hundreds of millions have been vaporized, starved or killed, right? A scary world indeed.
Lord_Gallicus
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They will play the blame game as people often do in these situations and there are no soviets left to blame.
marathag
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But there are.
Dead ones. literally Atomized by the USA
Now There would be some who would blame JFK for the slow response,
Palermo wasn't nuked though, in fact it's turned into the capital city of the Kingdom of Italy.
Speaking of Italy and pop culture, even though Milan, Naples and Rome have been nuked, the peninsula got off easy, compared to the rest of Europe, so the Democratic Republic and the Kingdom might be able to try and restore some semblance of normalcy, even when it comes to pop culture. But since North and South Italy are now as separate as North and South Korea, the local pop culture will diverge rather quickly.
I see Apartheid South Africa using the relative poverty in Europe to increase the white population through migration - easy to market the country as a land of opportunity, especially with liberalism being somewhat out the window.
Yeah...that's the usual cliche, damn seem that Italy need only a little nudge and both North and South will go immediately at war with each other, yes i'm a little sarcastic plus he died in 1964 due to a stroke, the overall stress of the situation will probably kill him earlier and his second and designed heir is Enrico Berlinguer that's many thing but not an hardliner or someone that want transform Italy in communist state by force; frankly the contrary...plus thanks to the cooperative system the entire PC in place like Emilia Romagna and Tuscany (the core of the PCI memberships) were pretty much capitalist in all by name.
The monarchy by the 60's was dead and deader except for the olders but i admit that an event like WWIII and the following chaos can make people rethink about that but believing that the South is a monarchical fiefdom and supporting the monarchy mean having popular support is a titanic sized mistake.
Plus the URSS have destroyed the three biggest italian city, sure that the PCI will see his popularity go down even because Togliatti was always somenone very 'supportive' of the SOviet leadership.
Two things
1. Given the post WWII order brought about WWIII, there would be factions in Europe who would claim the wrong side won. Fascism would likely rise again, and in a devastated continent, would find serious hold. Some European countries old undoubtedly veer into totalitarianism.
2. The Beatles were still doing Hamburg residencies in 1962 so might well have copped it then
1. Given the post WWII order brought about WWIII, there would be factions in Europe who would claim the wrong side won. Fascism would likely rise again, and in a devastated continent, would find serious hold. Some European countries old undoubtedly veer into totalitarianism.
2. The Beatles were still doing Hamburg residencies in 1962 so might well have copped it then
Well, a market socialist country will surely be better off in the long run than a hardline Stalinist one; ironically, northern Italy might end up resembling (and be influenced by) Yugoslavia, minus the ethno-religious tensions. And while the communist North/royalist South split is a bit of a trope, it's a trope with some basis in reality, I just wish it were played with and/or subverted more often.
Royalist South Italy already shows this in action with how it is run by the neo-fascist MSI.
Not gonna happen. The Nationalist party was opposed to white immigration since it wanted maintain Afrikaaner dominance over South Africa. Afrikaaners made up a bare majority of the white population, bringing in more non-Afrikanners is a detriment to that.