The Four-Day War TL: Israel Wins YKW

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Not certain what a "monori" is. But it seems offensive.


Alright, I'm going to stop this here, for three reasons; firstly, you clearly have no clue what's actually going on; second, I've learned my lesson about trying to change the minds of people on the internet; and third, we're not supposed to be talking politics. If you want to continue shouting at me with no grammar, feel free to send me a PM.


No, it says extermination. I just looked.


Um...
No. There have been larger population transfers. And I did say that there are still many Arabs left.


Jews aren't the only non-Arabs in the middle East; the aforementioned Kurds, Druze, and Yazidis also exist.


Again, many Arabs are left.


What? The 1970s were the period of detente, a time of limited cooperation between the USA and USSR to keep the status quo.
Yes, actually. Saudi Arabia was divided. And Saudi Arabia hates Islamic fundementalists.


Actually, it's because everyone in the world would never stop yelling at Israel and that Israel doesn't have a large enough population.


With most of the Turkish Kurds leaving to Kurdistan, Turkey won't have much of a reason to risk it.
A) I was trying to type "minorities", then my phone turned off.
B)I hate talking about politics, but you threw politics inside...you know, dominating a whole region requires some political (wishful) thinking
C) I am sure Adolph Hitler intended to leave many slavs in Russia, to be used as slave labor. I am not saying Israel would end up using slave labor, but still you do not get the point: Arabs remaining means massive resistance to a degree no country, especially a relatively small one can cope with
D detente...sure; you still miss the point; had all of this happened during the 80s I can see a place, remote, distant chance that Reagan may say "hell yeah, good work Israelis"...during the 70s, inspite of the spirit od cooperation Leonid Brezhnev would have phone called Gerald Ford or Jimmy Carter and politely told him to "control his puppet, else they step him".Soviet union may have been posses off by Syrians and Egyptians losing again and again against Israel but that does not mean they are willing the whole of middle east descend into chaos,and specifically in the hands of the Israelis.
E) about Turkey...oh sure that is why have done absolutely nothing during the syrian civil war to prevent the forming of a Kurdish state...because they are waiting for Kurdistan to form so that all Turkish Kurds pour into it, never to be heard of again.
F) sure, the only reasons why Israel has not yet conquered the world from the Sahara to the Indus is that the world is bad, everyone yells constantly at you, and you just miss the population to do it, not out of simple good sense and political reasoning
 

yaitz331

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A) I was trying to type "minorities", then my phone turned off.
Ah, OK.There are still plenty of them.

B)I hate talking about politics, but you threw politics inside...you know, dominating a whole region requires some political (wishful) thinking
OK, let's both just shut up about politics.

C) I am sure Adolph Hitler intended to leave many slavs in Russia, to be used as slave labor. I am not saying Israel would end up using slave labor, but still you do not get the point: Arabs remaining means massive resistance to a degree no country, especially a relatively small one can cope with
There are probably plenty of Arabs who would be fine with living under Israeli rule; plenty of Israeli Arabs are. And those would be a disproportionately large percentage of those who remain.

D detente...sure; you still miss the point; had all of this happened during the 80s I can see a place, remote, distant chance that Reagan may say "hell yeah, good work Israelis"...during the 70s, inspite of the spirit od cooperation Leonid Brezhnev would have phone called Gerald Ford or Jimmy Carter and politely told him to "control his puppet, else they step him".Soviet union may have been posses off by Syrians and Egyptians losing again and again against Israel but that does not mean they are willing the whole of middle east descend into chaos,and specifically in the hands of the Israelis.
The Soviets hate Islamists more than Israelis. Like every other non-Islamist nation in the Middle East. They wouldn't help the Islamists. In addition, their main reason for sticking with Syria was to have a naval base in the Mediterranean, which, thanks to proxy wars in Africa (not all the proxy wars are in sub-Saharan Africa), they now have.

E) about Turkey...oh sure that is why have done absolutely nothing during the syrian civil war to prevent the forming of a Kurdish state...because they are waiting for Kurdistan to form so that all Turkish Kurds pour into it, never to be heard of again.
They would try to stop it for fear that it would galvanize their population into revolting, but once it exists and is drawing the Kurds away, they would be... Well, not OK, but willing to just despise it for now.

F) sure, the only reasons why Israel has not yet conquered the world from the Sahara to the Indus is that the world is bad, everyone yells constantly at you, and you just miss the population to do it, not out of simple good sense and political reasoning
And some reasons that I'm not bringing up because I just said we'll "shut up about politics". And the fact that there's no point.
 
Oh gosh… this is pure Zionist porn.
I love it. Please continue.

(also, just a side note, keep in mind Islamists in different countries may not get along well due to different sects. For example, Islamists in Turkey and Saudi Arabia would get along quite decently. Islamists in Iran and Saudi Arabia would not.)
 

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No, Israel is forced to invade Jordan to stop the Palestinians from murdering Israelis, and pays them to move to the new Palestine they set up and built infrastructure in. A pretty chill way to treat a people who have just tried to exterminated your nation.
Well, congratulations.

You are, AFAIK, the very first member here to describe ethnic cleansing as a "chill way to treat people"

That statement speaks volume on volume.

We sort of look down on war crime advocacy hereabouts.

We divorce you.

To Coventry with you.
 
Also, historically speaking, Israel never wanted to conquer Jordan. They were a bit upset when they separated Jordan from the Mandate of Palestine, but since then never cared to recoqnuer it. I see this TL's Israel occupying Jordan similar to the West Bank in our timeline for security reasons, but not building any settlements.
 
Also, historically speaking, Israel never wanted to conquer Jordan. They were a bit upset when they separated Jordan from the Mandate of Palestine, but since then never cared to recoqnuer it. I see this TL's Israel occupying Jordan similar to the West Bank in our timeline for security reasons, but not building any settlements.

I don't get it. What could have been 'reconquered' here?
 
Tbh this was perfectly enjoyable (albeit a bit unrealistic) until the whole annexation-of-Jordan-and-ethnic-cleansing-of-Palestinians stuff happened. Although even that may have been okay if done through the frame of acknowledging it as a war crime.
 
The 7th was the tank brigade, and Barack was infantry manning a series of forts. The 7th was spread out along the front, although there were less in the south.

I can hardly believe someone as knowlegable as he seemed to be would make such a glaring mistake. The barack brigade was formerly known as the 188th armored brigade.
 

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I thought that he was being sarcastic.

I suggest you read the rest of his posts and keep in mind he was suggesting AND defending ethnic cleansing.
wow was this the fastest "post a thread and get banned" speedrun in this forums?

Not even close. Might be the fastest Israel related one in post 1900, but there have been fools who were banned on post #1. They are generally Nazis.
 
Minor nitpick: Levantine war begins with a Kurdish uprising in Syria/Iraq in September 14, 1980. A military coup d'etat occured in Turkey OTL in September 12, 1980. If that still happens TTL, there's just no way that a Kurdish uprising doesn't spill to Turkey.
 
I am not, repeat not, advocating "ethnic cleansing" of any sort. Nor is it appropriate for folks to be turned out by armed men to hit the road to go elsewhere. While a willingness to have a state where multiple ethnicities/religions can live together as neighbors is ideal, sadly this is not often the case. An ORDERLY AND VOLUNTARY exchange of populations is sometimes the least bad (not good) alternative. Just wanting to make the point that ethnic cleansing and population exchange need not be the same thing.
 
I suggest you read the rest of his posts and keep in mind he was suggesting AND defending ethnic cleansing.


Not even close. Might be the fastest Israel related one in post 1900, but there have been fools who were banned on post #1. They are generally Nazis.

Maybe it's me, but whenever I think of ethnic cleansing I think of guys with guns shooting everybody of different ethnicity or marching them for long distance with little or no food and water.
Paying somebody to move is not it, even if you are paying them to move to a specific area (usually it is to move away from specific area), it's called eminent domain.
 
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