The Forge of Weyland

As the force in Norway contains both French and British units, the French have a squadron there (cruisers and destroyers). The Med is currently peaceful, and while they know the RN is the main force in the area, having a squadron there is good for morale and propaganda.
The French BB will be in the Med, though, just in case. Any additional BB off Norway are likely to be British, the basing and logistics makes this sensible.
 

nbcman

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Would I bring HMS Warspite back early just so she can brutalise the twins? :D
If she has already sailed to the Med and arrived in May as OTL, it would be unrealistic to bring her back plus kick ABC off his flagship. There are plenty of RN BBs in and around the UK to give the twins a seriously bad day.
 
With the fighting in Western Europe and at sea obviously taking the full attention of the Allied Powers, as well as that of the United States, Stalin puts in motion his plan to annex the Baltic States. Soviet troops begin the preparation for the invasion of Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania. Given that the attention of the only powers likely to attempt to interfere are presently heavily engaged in the West, he sees this as an opportunity for the countries to embrace Communism at little risk to Russia.
Considering that Operation Pike is being prepared around this period, and there has been no fall of France ITTL, might this end up being the Casus Belli that France uses to drag the Soviets into the war? Britain was, from what I can tell reading wikipedia, more cautious about it. The Soviets seem to be German allies, and being agressively expansive at this time (invading Poland with Germany, attacking Finland, and now taking over the Baltic States).

Actually, if they do end up at war with the Soviets, we could end up with a weird WW2 where the Japanese are on the allied side. The two powers have clashed before as recently as 1939 (the Soviets coming out on top). Though at this point, the Northern Strategy is in decline.
 
yeah greece and yugoslavia are options for italian adventures now that the entente and germans are busy with each other if astro wants further pursue alternative history.

Ah yes the reconquest of Taras, Neapolis, Kyrene and Syracuse Megali in the West, its time has come.


Actually the Allied blockade was set up to stop neutral's from buying more oil etc than they needed ( the assumption being they would resell it to Germany for a big profit ). It was one of the sore points before Italy's entry to the war. They got away with a bit but were watched like a hawk ti stop large scale evasion of the blockade.

And at this point Italy is beginning to have problems that only the Kindly British and French can solve. Like coal . Thing to remember is the Germans have no money , boracic ,stony, indigent, can only pay in paper reichsmarks, which are not convertible.

So second rate Italian kit or first rate Swedish ore or Russian Oil its a pickle.

The specific problem is coal. Annoy the Brits enough and they don't sell you coal, don't need to the French will buy it all ( this is part of the agreement the French mobilised miners, the brits provided coal. The Germans could provide coal, but that means its not going to the blast furnaces to make steel ( or the railways to keep the trains moving).

Of the Brits would be happy to sell coal for gold USD or something useful and use the USD to buy things they find useful.

The Boche will operating without the million + French POW of OTL, and the french coal and iron fields so have far less flexibility in what they can provide. But everyone likes tea and needs rubber with no pesky U Boats or need to move everything in convoy all the way.

Hurricanes, Spitfires, Blenheims and Wellingtons will have the highest priority, and Battles will continue to be made as long as it doesn't interfere with the first four types.

Which it does, uses Merlins. Also what about Hampdens ? and the Beaufighter which has 4 Sq due to go operational in September.

What is the status of Operation Pike?
OTL planning was for May 15th, 1940, once French airfields in Syria were ready for Farman F.222 bombers

Pike is probably off the table its really a last gasp of the French Bomber Barons in 10 May the Farmans are all in France ( and bombing Berlin) noone is going to pull aircraft and aircrew out of the main battle, the BAltic annexation btw deprives Germany of a series of imports, they now come under the totals of imports from the USSR - so don't break the twins yours going need them for trade.

And the fighting has only been going on a few weeks thus far, and the bar-chart & graphs people will have other demands being made of their number-crunching skills too, such as assessing allied casualties and how effective (or otherwise) particular German weapons seem to be against the allies.
I find it difficult to believe (even though this is the pre-spreadsheet era) that the actual size of the German tank reserves will have emerged yet from the fog of war. Not unless they found a set of numbers in a convenient pocket-diary on Rommel's corpse or something like that.

This is where things get difficult. None of which will affect the next few days or weeks.

If the Germans have these reserves where are they? If they have those tanks why are they sending infantry forward armoured in wool shirts and a fanatical devotion to National Socialism. Why are there not full staffel flying? The guys that notice that will the be guys at the pointy end and its them that will be asking the questions because being Intelligence officers its their job.

And its not something that's come about in the last few days the problem has existed for years. How strong is Germany? I don't know the Ground forces position but the RAF one was based on a pretty accurate assessment of LW front line strength plus an assumption that they had a material reserve. If they had a material reserve, where are they? If they had all 6000 a/c in front line service where are they?

The issue will not be a leap towards an accurate assessment of German Strength but a questioning of the assumptions underpinning previous assessments. That process will have started in Spring 39. Prior to that the assessments are secret spy things limited to people with appropriate clearance. Come wartime the number and background of the people with that clearance widens. Notably the Brits and French will be sharing and trying to reconcile differences. Depending on the original source of the intel people may doubt but noone can disprove the previous assessments. But now they are getting data.

That wont affect current operations, or Government level planning which is inherently all about next year.
 
Which it does, uses Merlins. Also what about Hampdens ? and the Beaufighter which has 4 Sq due to go operational in September.
I recognise the delay is OTL but what about the Mosquito. That would be just the job for busting up armoured incursions when in fighter bomber mode and an earlier Tsetse version would be fun too.
 
The merlin supply will be the excuse the AM use to avoid building more Battles, despite the fact they proved very useful in TTL,they aren't proper bombers!
Other aircraft like the Hampden are just getting a lower priority, so there will be some built.
The Mosquito? Well, an unarmed bomber is obviously useless, say the AM, but it would make a useful recon aircraft.
The Beaufighter is at the moment the replacement for the Battle
 
The merlin supply will be the excuse the AM use to avoid building more Battles, despite the fact they proved very useful in TTL,they aren't proper bombers!
Other aircraft like the Hampden are just getting a lower priority, so there will be some built.
The Mosquito? Well, an unarmed bomber is obviously useless, say the AM, but it would make a useful recon aircraft.
The Beaufighter is at the moment the replacement for the Battle
Beaufighter replacing the Battle?

The obvious problem is that it doesn't have a bomb bay! Now I don't argue that it can be made into an effective ground attack aircraft but that is almost as big a conceptual leap for the Air Ministry as the FB Mosquito. It's a fighter, sirrah!
 
I believe I may have already written something similar in another storyline, but I think the Italians would be very hesitant to poke either the British of French given they appear to have taken the German's best shot, reset their feet, and are getting ready to start counterpunching.

As a dictator prioritizing his own security (trying to avoid any type of popular uprising) it seems highly unlikely he would risk the potential of another Great War Scenario requiring massive infantry mobilization (and the associated casualties) and/or the loss of the Italian Navy (and the prestige associated with it).

On the other hand, I think it's safe to say that Mussolini would be trying to strategically manoeuvre to ensure maximum gain by first determining who he believes will be the "winning side", and then jumping onboard at the last minute. In the meantime, he will likely be trying to gently blackmail France and the UK to provide some economic incentives to stay neutral.

In that context, although I acknowledge the imperial desire to strike east into Greece and Yugoslavia, I think the risk/reward would negate that option, at least until France was knocked out of the war.
 

Driftless

Donor
The merlin supply will be the excuse the AM use to avoid building more Battles, despite the fact they proved very useful in TTL,they aren't proper bombers!
Other aircraft like the Hampden are just getting a lower priority, so there will be some built.
The Mosquito? Well, an unarmed bomber is obviously useless, say the AM, but it would make a useful recon aircraft.
The Beaufighter is at the moment the replacement for the Battle
Did you kill off the Beaufort? That might expedite the arrival of the Beaufighter.
 
I quite agree with @Gannt the chartist.

I think we should take into account how british intelligence calculated panzers before the onset of Case Yellow. The only way available to them, was to make vague estimates of industrial capacity. But their estimations always had in mind the worst case senario, without taking into account production organization and resource shortages. At the same time, they expect the Germans to try to win a short war with an all-out attack. In the words of Wade Winston Wilson, they expect "maximum effort". After all, they have already calculated that the Germans will face shortages in critical raw material after 12-18 months of war (12 months for things like copper).
 
The Italians are in an interesting position.
They arent going to declare war on Britain or France (and doing so right now would mean declaring war on both), as that results in them getting curbstomped in the Med.
They have ambitions, but ideally they can meet them without getting too far on anyones bad side.
Playing both sides against each other is probably their best of of Italian glory, but its an interesting balancing act!
 

Driftless

Donor
Not plausible, but maybe the best thing for the Italians would have been for Il Duce and Italo Balbo to switch places for an inconvenient plane ride. ;)
 
I believe I may have already written something similar in another storyline, but I think the Italians would be very hesitant to poke either the British of French given they appear to have taken the German's best shot, reset their feet, and are getting ready to start counterpunching.

As a dictator prioritizing his own security (trying to avoid any type of popular uprising) it seems highly unlikely he would risk the potential of another Great War Scenario requiring massive infantry mobilization (and the associated casualties) and/or the loss of the Italian Navy (and the prestige associated with it).

On the other hand, I think it's safe to say that Mussolini would be trying to strategically manoeuvre to ensure maximum gain by first determining who he believes will be the "winning side", and then jumping onboard at the last minute. In the meantime, he will likely be trying to gently blackmail France and the UK to provide some economic incentives to stay neutral.

In that context, although I acknowledge the imperial desire to strike east into Greece and Yugoslavia, I think the risk/reward would negate that option, at least until France was knocked out of the war.
Wasn't Greece guaranteed by Chamberlain in the late 1930's? If so, Greece is off-limits unless Mussolini wants a war...
 
Wasn't Greece guaranteed by Chamberlain in the late 1930's? If so, Greece is off-limits unless Mussolini wants a war...
Almost........... usual Albion wriggle room but not as much as say Czechoslovakia suffered from but less than Poland received.
His Majesty's Government would feel themselves bound at once to lend the Greek or Rumanian Government, as the case might he, all support in their power
 
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