The Footprint of Mussolini - TL

Even with how the Soviet Holocaust, the general insanity of the Second Great Purge, and the fake Moon Landing were definitely not what Karl Marx and Fredreich Engels wanted to happen when they wrote the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital, even if all three actions are ultimately blamed on them. If there is an afterlife, I wonder what they must think of the actions of Communist regimes ITTL.
Or indeed, in OTL.
 
I think that really depends on the country you're in, especially since being a communist in any sense of the world in most post-fascist states would get you killed or at the very least get you arrested.

Anarcho-communism is against the concept of a centralized state as well as the concepts of hierarchies, social classes, and capital. Getting rid of these concepts required the destruction of the current societies in order for it to be "reinvented" and that's where you're going to find most countries treating anarcho-communists the same as statist communism.

Anarcho-communists would be identified as "fifth columnists" who want to destabilize the nation and would definitely be placed on a government watchlist, being seen as communist infiltrators wanting to revive a failed ideology.

The only place that anarcho-communism would receive any type of positive reception would be Korea since their history with Communism is a bit different compared to the rest of the world.

Communism has been forever been "tainted" in the eyes of the world.

Edit: In simpler terms, imagine the reception that a group in our world who call themselves National-Anarchists, Anarcho-Fascists, or Anarcho-Nazis would get.
So I presume anarchist Catalonia and Ukraine and their fighters/leaders would be seen in a much more negative light ITTL.

Also makes me wonder how guys and gals like Kropotkin, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Luxembourg, and De Leon would be viewed by future generations ITTL, considering what happens with Marx and Engels.
 
Also makes me wonder what people ITTL would think of OTL ‘Breadtube’.
People ITTL would say the fact it is mainstream, along with the existence of the PRC, Vietnam, Cuba, Laos, and North Korea along with how Pan-Arabism ended with a whimper and not a bang (and general Middle Eastern instability), makes OTL a dystopia.
 
People ITTL would say the fact it is mainstream, along with the existence of the PRC, Vietnam, Cuba, Laos, and North Korea along with how Pan-Arabism ended with a whimper and not a bang (and general Middle Eastern instability), makes OTL a dystopia.
I’m not really sure if I like the fact that this timeline is generally considered to be “better than OTL” by a bunch of the posters on this thread, considering all the genocide, ethnic cleansing, nuclear strikes, increased red scare, etc.

But I guess a world with a democratic and free China instead of the PRC will always be a better one.
 
I’m not really sure if I like the fact that this timeline is generally considered to be “better than OTL” by a bunch of the posters on this thread, considering all the genocide, ethnic cleansing, nuclear strikes, increased red scare, etc.
Honestly, I would say this world is neither better nor worse than OTL, just different.
 
Interesting read, but as a leftist I would be seen in the same light as the Nazis. So I wouldn’t live there.

Erm, hate to quibble, but as long as you're not an outright communist (or deeply sympathetic to them) you probably wouldn't get that kind of comparison. I mean, considering how beloved Enrico Berlinguer became, there's evidence for quite a lot of leeway. Besides, I'd actually argue that the 2020 of this TL has an entirely different political axis to OTL - social conservatism is tied to more socialistic policies, while social liberalism is a sign of support of financial policies more in line with Thatcher than Roosevelt. Think of it like this - as long as you don't cross the line marked 'Wallace', you might get some grumbling but you're basically ok.
 
Interesting read, but as a leftist I would be seen in the same light as the Nazis. So I wouldn’t live there.
The Left isn’t extinct ITTL. Social democracy, libertarian socialism, and socialism in general are still around, it’s just that anything related to Marx and Engels, along with anyone they inspired, just got grouped in with the Nazis and Ba’athists.
 
Erm, hate to quibble, but as long as you're not an outright communist (or deeply sympathetic to them) you probably wouldn't get that kind of comparison. I mean, considering how beloved Enrico Berlinguer became, there's evidence for quite a lot of leeway. Besides, I'd actually argue that the 2020 of this TL has an entirely different political axis to OTL - social conservatism is tied to more socialistic policies, while social liberalism is a sign of support of financial policies more in line with Thatcher than Roosevelt. Think of it like this - as long as you don't cross the line marked 'Wallace', you might get some grumbling but you're basically ok.
Yeah... no, whilst I’m not a communist I’m still a social liberal, so I seem to have a choice of being a Neo Liberal in order to be seen as progressive or be in of unions and be considered a tory. No thanks
 
Yeah... no, whilst I’m not a communist I’m still a social liberal, so I seem to have a choice of being a Neo Liberal in order to be seen as progressive or be in of unions and be considered a tory. No thanks

Well, there's Italy - they seem to have a pretty good equivalent to OTL's socialism in Enrico Berlinguer's legacy. Besides, no reason you can't adhere to your own brand of independent politics. Sure, you probably won't get near power given OTL's party entrenchment and the likelyhood of such a system developing ITTL, but still, not like you're going to get run down and shot for taking a mix-and-match stance, eh?

(*note: only applies in non-authoritarian democracies, results may vary)

Also, well, not to make this awkward but...

*is a non-Borisite Tory by disposition*

I mean, I support Starmer, but that's a matter of him being better for the country than Boris. And not being Corbyn.

Sorry, didn't mean to bring up OTL politics, just would've felt awkward and disingenous otherwise.
 
Well, there's Italy - they seem to have a pretty good equivalent to OTL's socialism in Enrico Berlinguer's legacy. Besides, no reason you can't adhere to your own brand of independent politics. Sure, you probably won't get near power given OTL's party entrenchment and the likelyhood of such a system developing ITTL, but still, not like you're going to get run down and shot for taking a mix-and-match stance, eh?

(*note: only applies in non-authoritarian democracies, results may vary)

Also, well, not to make this awkward but...

*is a non-Borisite Tory by disposition*

I mean, I support Starmer, but that's a matter of him being better for the country than Boris. And not being Corbyn.

Sorry, didn't mean to bring up OTL politics, just would've felt awkward and disingenous otherwise.
No offence mate, but I’m not taking any advice from a Blairite.
 
No, because I’m going to stop. I only wanted to ask a question, I got somewhat of an answer. The other person chose to continue it on, I made a statement and now I’m gonna stop. That is all.
 
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