The Footprint of Mussolini - TL

Though it was bloodier, I can’t help but feel like the end result this timeline produced is better than OTL. Communism and Nazism are more discredited than our timeline, and Italian Fascism has been tamed. Less conflict overall in the world. Not a bad footprint to have, and I think Capri would be proud to see that his sacrifice made it possible.
 
Though it was bloodier, I can’t help but feel like the end result this timeline produced is better than OTL. Communism and Nazism are more discredited than our timeline, and Italian Fascism has been tamed. Less conflict overall in the world. Not a bad footprint to have, and I think Capri would be proud to see that his sacrifice made it possible.

I think too that this world is slightly better than OTL. More stable altough not necessary so prosperous Middle East. Of course you can ask was horrible Second Arab War worth of stable Middle East. And Africa too seems being more stable and more prosperous. Actually quiet many nations are in better condition.
 
I just realised Italy is probably even less friendly than OTL towards the LGBTQ+ comunity.
I mean between the fact the italian right is even more powerful than OTL and that the Catholic Church's reputation is better than OTL, i seriously doubt it is a nice situation for anyone who isn't straight.
 
I think too that this world is slightly better than OTL. More stable altough not necessary so prosperous Middle East. Of course you can ask was horrible Second Arab War worth of stable Middle East. And Africa too seems being more stable and more prosperous. Actually quiet many nations are in better condition.

Yup. Overall, the world seems to be in a considerably better place: prosperity and stability throughout most of the Middle East, some developed African states, many more Asian Tigers, peaceful isolationist Russia, much more democratic all around.

TTL would probably see OTL as oddly backward, despite the lack of nuke-slinging and much more thorough decolonisation. Would OTL China and Russia be seen as fascists with a different coat of paint?

Also: Ethiopia is said to have OTL Angola’s living standards. Since Angola’s nominal per capita GDP is triple OTL Ethiopia’s, does that mean TTL Ethiopia is still richer than OTL, despite the frankly apocalyptic war they fought?
 
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Yup. Overall, the world seems to be in a considerably better place: prosperity and stability throughout most of the Middle East, some developed African states, many more Asian Tigers, peaceful isolationist Russia, much more democratic all around.

TTL would probably see OTL as oddly backward, despite the lack of nuke-slinging and much more thorough decolonisation. Would OTL China and Russia be seen as fascists with a different coat of paint?

Also: Ethiopia is said to have OTL Angola’s living standards. Since Angola’s nominal per capita GDP is triple OTL Ethiopia’s, does that mean TTL Ethiopia is still richer than OTL, despite the frankly apocalyptic war they fought?

Yes, the discrediting of the command economy unleashed India and China on the world markets years earlier, while smarter decolonisation has compounded global gains. The world economy is vastly larger than OTL, hence Ethiopia still being part of a rising tide.
 
This chronology was perfect from the first chapter to the last, it was like a real journey to another world, thank you so much for sharing it with us Sorairo. I have a few final questions for you.
1) Did Le Pen become President of France after his victory in 1992?
2) How Italian are Albania and Montenegro?
3) is Victor-Emmanuel IV of Italy a more decent human being than OTL prince Victor-Emmanuel of Savoy?
No, but he got much closer than OTL. He was as popular as Marine is now. The Front may win soon.

Albania and Montenegro are as Italian as Wales is British, so independence support is about 10% and scoffed at.

He is forced to nice for the cameras since the Monarchy depends on it.
 
Given it seems a lot of countries have higher living standards (and thus are probably more industrialized) than OTL, is climate change and other environmental issues more pressing than OTL 2020?

Kurdistan: The traditionally Socialist country has been forced to make more enterprise-friendly laws in the modern world, with many of the old communes having shut down. However, it still remains a very secular state by Middle Eastern standards, albeit quite a militaristic one for fear of their being surrounded by the CIS. Quite tolerant to their Arab minority. Living standards OTL Jordan.
Does the country still at least maintain strong worker's rights, or has it been reduced to a corporate fiefdom?

Sudan: The domination of the Black, Christian South in Sudan finally grew too wearisome for their Arab, Muslim North. In 2003, a referendum was held among the North of the country on whether it wanted independence, which was successfully voted in. There is now consequently a North Sudan and a ‘Sudan’ (occasionally referred to as South Sudan) on the OTL borders. There is some discussion about North Sudan joining South Egypt but this is a long way away yet. Sudan, by contrast, benefits from strong relationships in Africa, including and especially with the East African Federation. North Sudan living standards are OTL Egypt and Sudan is OTL Tanzania.
Seems it's doing well compared to OTL. What stopped TTL south sudan from collapsing into civil war, anyway?
South Africa: I
Yikes. Also, please split that monstrosity up into paragraphs! A wall of text taking up almost the entire screen is hard to read.
 
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What did happen for them:

Mikhail Gorbachev?
Boris Yeltsin?
(I think that both men haven't said anything after dissolution of USSR)
Bernie Sanders?
John McCain?
Vladimir Putin (if he even is born)
Robert and Edward Kennedy?
Hosni Mubarak?

Is Democratic Party basically US Social-Democrats?

What did happen for Serbia after ousting of Tito?

Has any children of GHWB entered to politics?
 
An amazing end. What regal names did Umberto and Ferdinands successors take?

That's getting into people born well after the POD, so I'll leave that to reader imagination.


Climate change is about as much of an issue as OTL as the increased use of nuclear greatly downgraded the number of emissions. Kurdistan is about as Left-Wing as 1970s Britain in economic terms. South Sudan is more integrated with the West as a Commonwealth member and its downfall was absolutly a no-go for any and every state in the organization. I didn't want to make the S. Africa the only entry divided, but I suppose it is probably for the best.
Mikhail Gorbachev?
Boris Yeltsin?
(I think that both men haven't said anything after dissolution of USSR)
Bernie Sanders?
John McCain?
Vladimir Putin (if he even is born)
Robert and Edward Kennedy?
Hosni Mubarak?

Is Democratic Party basically US Social-Democrats?
What did happen for Serbia after ousting of Tito?
Has any children of GHWB entered to politics?

The first two vanished in the shuffle of Tolstoyism, as their religious observation on each count was not considered marked enough to mark them for higher status.

Sanders and McCain were born well after POD, as was Putin. McCain would never have had a Vietnam to make his mark in any case.

Robert Kennedy never ran for President after the withering experience it had on Jack, so he was content to become the Head of the Senate, being something of Brooke's fighting dog. Edward Kennedy was a maverick Republican considered too Liberal for most of the party, which ensured he was never a serious fighter in the political scene, his heart still remaining with the Democrats.

Mubarak was leader of South Egypt, inheriting after Arafat. He ruled until his death.

The US Democrats are basically Social Democrats at this point, and they are something of a Lucy's Football in that everyone swears the next year they'll become a serious party again, but it never happens.

Serbia is an authoritarian democracy aligned with ITO (who is fine since Serbia only opposes other authoritarian democracies, much like Greece).
 
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I just realised Italy is probably even less friendly than OTL towards the LGBTQ+ comunity.
I mean between the fact the italian right is even more powerful than OTL and that the Catholic Church's reputation is better than OTL, i seriously doubt it is a nice situation for anyone who isn't straight.
I mean, it's not like any of the OTL parties were much kinder to the community until about the turn of the Millennium either.

That being said, it could also lead to a... different view of the overall thing. If Evolà's weird policies went all the way without trying to selectively show what was actual "Romanity", being a bisexual could be a considered a good trait, albeit more in an ideal sense of it (unless they can come up with a more modern social category to fill in for the slaves and the teens that were usually supposed to be "under") than in practice, a bit like lesbianism, ultimately; and an inventive Neapolitan could argue that the existence of femminielli makes transsexualism not as bad. Also, the (probable) continued existence of "Homosexual Islands" in the Adriatic, at last up until Fascism's collape, gives me some ideas...
 
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Ladies, gentlemen and others: Here it is, the world of 2020, with the footprint of Mussolini stamped on it.
 
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The James Bond novels'films of this world, were they to still exist, would be rather interesting.

Much more evil Communists (the films don't chicken out and change the identities of the baddies as Soviet agents), occasional help from Italian agents and some very politically incorrect escapades into the UAR, as well as spy drama in the heart of Western governments a la Wallace.
 

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Is it just me or is Turkey's borders jutting into Bulgaria really annoying? The map also got me thinking, I assume there is some sort of independence movement in New Guinea. The New Guineans probably benefit from good economy of IF but the cultural differences are vast! Is dutch spoken in the west?

Not gonna lie and it'll probably tick some people but the Holy Lusitanian Kingdom looks like the kinda place I'd wanna live. God-tier, based social conservatism, and absolute lack of racial tensions due to Catholic brotherhood between blacks and whites. Latin an official language!? I mean come on place sounds too good to be true. Oh wait it isn't God-D*mn*t.
 
Forget about that, imagine the whole MEME potential this world has!!!

Russian Nationalist/Communist: NO! YOU CAN'T JUST TURN THE MIGHTY SOVIET UNION, THE FEAR OF MILLIONS, THE LARGEST COUNTRY ON EARTH AND NUCLEAR DESTROYER INTO A BUNCH OF FUCKING PACIFIST RURAL COMMUNES WITHOUT ANY NUKES OR MISSILES!!!

Malenkov: Heh, heh, horsie goes 'klip-klop'
 
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