The Footprint of Mussolini - TL

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Sorairo, Feb 20, 2019.

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  1. Arlos Sad monarchist Donor

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    It might be just my impression, but I don’t think anyone has the stomach to plot with Stalin as he is.
     
  2. RyuDrago Italian? Yes, but also Roman

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    Water. Israel controls now the entire Jordan basin and can use it as best wishes.
     
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  3. MusuMankata Mostly Clueless

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    Very interesting chapter, looks like the First Arabian War has been a veryresounding success for Israel... and a major cause of grieffor News in other parte of the Middle East.

    Also, given that Pius XII is already visiting Israel, I wonder if ITTL the Pro Judeis (the Latin prayer done during Good Friday Mass) would be modified to remove the "perfidious Jews" part earlier than OTL.
     
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  4. RyuDrago Italian? Yes, but also Roman

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    Seems so. I won't think Pius will change very much than OTL - considering he was literally the "last Prince of the Church". Would be interesting to see who will become the next Pope TTL.
     
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  5. Sorairo Well-Known Member

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    As was typical of Stalin, merely the dictator’s madness.
     
  6. Bookmark1995 Bookmark95 Reborn!

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    Both the Soviet State and Nazi Germany were nations built around the whims of their respective rulers, engaged in ethnic cleansing (although ethnic cleansing has a precedent in Russian tsarist history), conquered and mistreated their satellite nations, rewarded people for the willingness to commit atrocities, and caused mass starvation in Eastern Europe.

    Good ol' Uncle Joe once called Beria "Our Himmler"-although in many respects, Beria is more explicitly wretched of a person- so I doubt he would not have been a major SS person if had been living in Germany.
     
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    In way the Turkish success here is the best thing that could have happened to Israel. With the annexation of the Syrian Coast line they are now "in for a pound" in regards to their Alliance with Israel against the Arabs. No future Erdogan-type will be able to turn against Israel and mend fences with the Arabs without returning the territory and that's something their nationalist base would overthrow them for.
    Also the economic damage to Syria will weaken it's military. The old "flesh and blood can't overcome steel" rule probably showing itself in the 2nd War. Israel might loose a war in the future, but it wont be against human-wave assaults no matter how fanatic. And heavy equipment costs money, lots of it.
     
  8. Sorairo Well-Known Member

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    Two main push factors:

    1) The Italian government is lobbying hard to get the Vatican onside with its political objectives.

    2) Israel is offering serious administrative powers to once inaccessible sites in the Holiest location on Earth for Christians. The prestige the Church would gain would be significant. And all this just by recognising Israel and a few PR bits? It’s a pretty good deal.
     
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  9. President Earl Warren Well-Known Member

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    Is their any major pushback to this?
     
  10. Sorairo Well-Known Member

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    More behind closed doors so the public doesn’t mind. The Priests can’t exactly complain too loudly either. Ultimately, many Bishops are in ecstasy of the one true Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church having significant control in Jerusalem. Ultimately, the Church has been silent on many issues for nothing but their own interest. This is just another on the list.
     
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  11. President Earl Warren Well-Known Member

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    I think you misunderstood what I asked, the question was their any push back aganst Italian attempts to influence the Church, not pecifically the Isreal deal
     
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  12. Sorairo Well-Known Member

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    Ah, my apologies. It’s not appreciated but since they ultimately are united against Communism they find too much in common to have serious conflict.
     
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  13. President Earl Warren Well-Known Member

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    Okay,Im going to guess this will get abit more akward when Communism recedes as a threat and the Colonial wars begin...
     
  14. Alpha-King98760 Aku's most favorite assassin, babe!

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    Jesus Christ!!! What an update!! Sad to see what’s going on the Middle East and the USSR. :(

    Was surprised with Beria’s sudden execution.
     
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  15. Bookmark1995 Bookmark95 Reborn!

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    Really? You're surprised?

    Stalin drove his wife to suicide, murdered his in-laws, and sent his daughter's boyfriend to the Gulag.

    Almost no one was safe in Stalin's world.
     
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  16. Alpha-King98760 Aku's most favorite assassin, babe!

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    True. I guess what I meant to say was was that I’m surprised it happened when it did.
     
  17. Sphenodon Well-Known Member

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    Sudden thought - did Mussolini ever go about obtaining the Sword of Islam in this timeline? If so, how has that role impacted him in mediating the religious conflicts between Islam and Judaism going on here at present?
     
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  18. Sorairo Well-Known Member

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    There is no Anti-Muslim propaganda from the Italians; there is a LOT of Anti-Arab propaganda. Libyan Arabs are taught they are Pheocenians and descendants of Rome. As it gets them rights equal to the Colonists, a lot of Libyan Arabs have taken to the idea.
     
  19. estevech Well-Known Member

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    So great! Could we get a current world map?
     
  20. Alpha-King98760 Aku's most favorite assassin, babe!

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    I wonder how science fiction of the 1950s will turn out ITTL?
     
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