Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Sorairo, Feb 20, 2019.
Broke, Broken and Despised: The Soviet Union in a Nutshell
Mussolini on the new Patton Administration:
Oh Man!! Patton is going to be like Godzilla on roids as a president!!
That would be quite the trick as there are only 48 US states at this point.
Just *that* popular
During the Wallace presidency Republican try to support Patton all they can. But now I think Republican will be busy trying to make sure Patton does not do anything too unreasonable.
Republican already fail that job when Patton break down their negotiation with Wallace.
Well, I guess the Republicans of the early 50's would be of another fiber than the modern day ones... but well, I won't arrive to say McCarthy would be a proto Tea party politician but in the end there seem to be similarities between this GOP and the actual OTL one. Only, the going to be president is an accomplished war hero and military leader...
But is possible the moderates may be pushed on the fringes in those years due to this harder second red scare...
Ok, congratulations, you have break it, you have really break it and now everybody is in big big trouble, hope are you happy Repubblican party; yes Repubblican as sure, sure you have destroyed the Democratic party, Wallace is in jail...but now the Freedom Party is reading from Benny handbook, McCarthy is on top and dangerous as ever, Patton is on the presidency and nuclear weapons are a thing.
Edit: i doubt that the black population will hate Wallace too much or even a bit, Sorairo reasoning is more for the higher up of NAACP but the general population will see the only white politician that had try to really help them in the last 70 years being drag in prison; what i say is my real problem with the Wallace narrative is that it make him a caricature, not someone with real political power and had given the Repubblican and co. a too easy and unopposed victory. Really, if the bulk of the goverment higher up are soviet agents they are really incompetent one, they will say at the time. Take example Hoover, once he is dismissed...i doubt that Hiss will not receive from his patron some proof (real or fabricated) over J.Edna afterwork escapade.
Just wondering why not?
Hello! I'm taqn, and Sorairo has let me make a little side update for the TL. This is about George Orwell in this timeline, and includes edits and approval from Sorairo. Enjoy!
'The Life and Work of George Orwell' by Michael Shelden
George Orwell, born Eric Arthur Blair on June 25th, 1903, is known by many as "the" Orwellian writer, so much so that the genre itself is referred to using his name, with the term "dystopian" falling out of fashion. He was one of, if not the most influential writers of the 20th century, with a bibliography that continued to expand until his death in 1951.
All in all, his last three novels have come out as being his most well known, those being "Animal Farm", "The Last Man in Europe", and the post-mortem publication of "A Sick Man in Todd's Bank".
"Animal Farm" (1945) was, prior to "The Last Man in Europe", Orwell's most influential novel. It tells the tale of a group of farm animals overthrowing humans in a pseudo-Communistic revolution, before declining back into the Totalitarianism they rose against. The book is an allegory of the revolution within Russia, and the creation and development of the Soviet Union. While the book received mixed reception at release, it was still widely popular, and has been recognised as one of the greatest political satires of all time, especially after the fall of the Soviet Union exposed some of the worst secrets the regime held hidden.
His most popular work, that being 'The Last Man in Europe' (1949), covers the struggle of one man caught under totalitarian rule in a world split into three different warring zones. The "superstates" of America, Europe, and Asia all publicly fight over the "Shade"(the new name for Africa) and switch allegiances and enemies frequently, while brainwashing their populations to believe that things had always been as such. The book follows the free thinking Winston J. Wallace get brainwashed by the European regime, who hold powers of indirect mind control over their citizens, and concludes with Winston submitting to "Big Brother". The novel has been analysed as, and is agreed upon to be, a story of how democratic leaders (such as Wallace and Churchill) can be broken down and turned into puppets for totalitarian powers (with European culture featuring many instances of "Roman" and "Italian" culture, such as the Wej Coliseum scene). While an overt attack and warning on all forms of Totalitarianism, the book had a very distinct critique of Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini (whom Orwell was disgusted at for his deification in the Right-Wing press as a bulwark against evil). The main character, Winston, experiences the faceless people known as "Wej" (An unsubtle reference to the Jewish population) being called either criminals or heroes, depending on what was suitable for the European regime within the book, with the status of the Wej (in one damning passage) changing from villains, to heroes, and back to villains in one single conversation. The Wej are an obvious show of Orwell's belief that Italian support of the Jewish people is nothing more than useful foreign policy, and not anything truly idealistic. This, along with other obvious factors, caused the book to be banned in Italy for several decades after its release, only being legalised there after the end of the one-party state.
'The Last Man in Europe' is regarded as the pinnacle of Orwellian fiction, and has been often looked back to as an "exaggerated view" of the future. While hyperbolic in nature, the novel caused many anarchic and simply leftist movements to rally behind the name "Orwell", who would become a symbol of leftism and liberty, even after his death. Naturally, given the political convulsions that rocked Europe and especially America in the late fifties and sixties, this version of leftism is looked upon as archaic in modern society.
One last novel, which was not released until after Orwell died, titled "A Sick Man in Todd's Bank"(1952), chronicles the life of an elderly man remembering a life of "liberty and loss", until he passes away living in a land of "loss of liberty". The setting takes place in the fictional English town of "Todd's Bank", a play on TB, the disease that Orwell was succumbing to as he wrote the novel. The man, while nameless, is obviously written using Orwell's own life experiences, where the man fought for liberty abroad and at home, but it ended up being "all for nought, for the great men in number ten always knew best". While despotism in Britain is clear to have been revived, the story focuses less on the horrors of the government, and more of the personal element than prior books. As his loved ones were carving up his legacy at his bedside, the elderly man had his family and friends arguing over who would get what shares of his "Patriot Prize" after he died. The book ends without the last chapter, on a cliffhanger, due to the fact that Orwell passed away before he could begin on it. The ending of the book, as published, has the old man pondering what he could do to restore his own personal liberty, before the book abruptly ending. Many other writers have taken it as a challenge to "finish" the book, from having the old man commit suicide, to murder, to simply giving up and going back to bed. While the world may never know his original intended ending, it has acted as a popular writing exercise throughout history, with some publishing companies having it as a sort of "test" of a writer. While never reaching the financial highs of "The Last Man in Europe", nor reaching the absolute cultural domination, "A Sick Man in Todd's Bank" is still a well-known and well-loved novel.
He would also write many acclaimed essays in his final years on the newfound foreign policy of the United States following the Wallace crisis, the dangerous state of the Middle East (in which he predicted the Second Arabian War with startling accuracy) and the future of Colonialism (in which he infamously predicted that ‘Lake Victoria will froth with blood”). On the whole, Orwell had grown increasingly pessimistic with the world, fearing that Fascism would be normalised and that Socialism was fading into history, a fact that Hugh Gainskill's ascendency to the head of the Labour Party in 1948 did little to assuage. He wasn't worried about the Soviets, correctly predicting their demise, but beyond that, he had no idea.
While nearing the end of his writing of "A Sick Man in Todd's Bank", Eric Arthur Blair passed away in his sleep on February 3rd, 1951, known by millions as George Orwell, the quintessential Orwellian author.
Rest in peace, wary watcher of the horizon.
So I see a new US administration working with the ETO providing funds, weapons and intelligence sharing. They also may try to increase trade and travel to the ETO to build up the economies of Central Europe. There probably will be a push for decolonization or at least some sort of power sharing with non-Communist local leaders. I expect the US to hit hard any movement or leaders sounding Leftist or Communist in Latin America. However the ETO remembers how Wallace let the Russians do what they want so there are relations but they are not friendly. The ETO will take the money and weapons but will keep some of their intelligence and special projects to themselves. They may welcome American investment but encourage local industries and technologies.
The RA will also welcome (covert) American aid but they realize this is not unlimited and are not as damaged as say Germany. They will fight to keep their colonies and will announce to the world that they fight for civilization against the Hordes from the East. They have a somewhat better image in the West since they are actively fighting the Russians and helping the Poles, Yugoslavians and others.
How the heck have they helped the Yugoslavians? Those are no longer a thing ITTL because of Mussolini.
Hmm, this seems to support a 'soft end' for Italian Fascism. Rather than saying the 'end of Fascism' or 'fall of' it focuses on the end of the one party state. So I am guessing Italy ends up going multiparty with the Fascist party surviving under a new direction in a new era as one party of many.
My guess on the ITTL Cold War is that the USSR falls(break up possible but not mandatory) in the 70s. And while Fascism has a brief heyday the end of the Red Menace takes away a lot of their justification for tyranny and fatigue over Colonial struggles and supporting minority rule states adds up. And of course a younger generation more skeptical of the regime becoming increasingly in power. So I see the Fascist World falling save for some possible hold outs of the Castro vein in the 80s.
Correction, cleaning up the mess in Croatia and fighting the Serbians.
How cool would it be if this TL became a book? I'd totally buy it!
I'm more optimistic about President Patton than most - the man knew how to delegate, and how to lead, and I expect he'd make a good to decent President for the same reason that Eisenhaur did, though I think Patton is much more of a firebrand than cool as a cucumber Ike.
President MacArthur? Now THAT would have been a disaster.
The man was de facto ruler of a major country for three years during which he deftly worked with politicians and businessmen of all stripes, dramatically expanded civil liberties while preserving traditional culture, and rebuilt the economy from scratch.
Insane egomaniac, myopic, and a lackluster general, but he probably would have been a very good head of state.
Did that country have Nuclear Weapons on hand? I think we all remember his REALLY GOOD IDEA for Korea
Nice piece there @taqn22
Thanks for sharing.
That's also my interpretation/prediction. Basically something akin to OTL events in South Korea and Taiwan.
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