The Footprint of Mussolini - TL

I wonder what Gaddafi's ideology would look like here. A strange cross between the Green Book and Fascism would be quite bizzare. Maybe Islamic socialism would be replaced by "Abrahamic socialism" or, to gain the support of the post-Fascist public, "Roman socialism?"

A vaguely left-wing dictatorship that proclaims itself to be the successor to Rome could use imagery of the Gracchi, the Populares, and the Roman Republic in general as propaganda. Ironically enough, since Julius Caesar was one of the Populares, they could even still claim to uphold the legacy of the first few emperors of Rome while declaring most later Roman Emperors to have betrayed "Roman socialism."
I could see an alternate Gaddafi regime try to rehabilitate the image of a maligned "populist" emperor like Caligula or Nero.
 
I finished reading this timeline and am amazed at the work put in. So does it seem like South Africa will remain that way forever smugly pleased at what most others view with disgust?
 
Yeah. To compare them to OTL rogue states, I think there's a greater chance of OTL North Korea falling apart than TTL South Africa falling apart.
Well North Korea is held up by worship of the Supreme Leader, which if there is a vacuum in the Kim family will almost certainly cause it to collapse. It seems in South Africa the white people truly believe they were under threat and so their horrible actions were necessary.
 
I don't think that SA regime is going to collapse on seeable future. It is quiet stable, citizens are fine with their regime and its extreme level racism and some countries have opened trade with SA. So hard to see how it could collapse without nuclear war. And since it has nukes targetted pretty much every major city of the world no one dare attack.

But some bantustans might collapse due internal violence and several people leaving them. Some of them are not any kind of viable states and are basically failed states ruled by literal criminal bosses.
 
But Russia and China would still happily trade with SA.
But wouldn't the SA despise China due to the whole Communism thing?

So, there's a rump South Africa in the former Bantustans?

TTL South Africa would start a war with rump OTL South Africa, which would result in an international intervention, which would probably go nuclear and result in extremist groups emerging. Imagine Apartheid in the Sea of Time, but with far more casualties.
I can imagine social media blowing up, especially in political areas, after the sudden appearance of an openly white supremacist state.
 
Because of how unpopular communism is, do any other ideologies domminate the far-left of TTL or is the far-left a non-entity, if so where do radicalized leftist disalusioned by the system go to ITTL?
 
Because of how unpopular communism is, do any other ideologies domminate the far-left of TTL or is the far-left a non-entity, if so where do radicalized leftist disalusioned by the system go to ITTL?

From what I can tell, many ITTL far-leftists (who aren't Neo-Communist) support a) religious socialism like that practiced in Russia, b) libertarian socialism like that practiced in Kurdistan, or c) psuedo-Peronist left-wing populist Fascism.
 

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Why? Sounds perfect: Maximum freedom from rules, restrictions, taxes, etc and the gouvernment pays for everything ;) .
Isn't that 1960s liberalism? Maximum social freedom coupled with social legislation that relieves the economic hardship of life, thus further enabling the pursuit of individual freedom in terms of lifestyle and ways of living?

Libertarian socialism sounds like possibly the ultimate oxymoron to me.
The logic is that private property (the ability to own a factory, or for somebody in NY to own a piece of land in Wyoming - legal ownership that goes beyond 'mere possession') requires some sort of state for its existence. If you reign in or get rid of the state (the libertarian part) you'd end up with communal/collective ownership of the big stuff like land, industry, etc (the socialism part).

If history is any guide, absent the state you'd get a mix of libertarian socialism and oligarchic feudalism/warlordism/caudillloism, but that's neither here nor there philosophically speaking.
 
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