The Footprint of Mussolini - TL

Speaking of China:
What is the total Chinese population after the fall of the North? Obviously the longer and bloodier Civil War caused more casualties than in OTL. However afterwards the south avoided Mao's Great Leap of the Cliff and never had a one-child-policy. So by now the population might very well be significantly higher than OTL.
Because that's a question that doesn't matter just for tallying OTL vs TTL scores.
If China has much earlier economic growth than OTL and has a significantly higher population than in OTL and I think it does, then chances are that China will be "looking towards Africa" for "resources and the like" much earlier than in OTL. Like as in, when it's allies still have colonies there which it would be much more face-saving to sell to a friend than grant independence to.
I would assume that population is same or bit lower than in OTL. Remember that China hasn't Tibet, Qinhai and Xinjiang whihc take some population off. In other hand China has Mongolia and Taiwan which compensate that population loss bit.
 
Why wouldn't the British operate their Space Program from British Guiana?

Wonder if the Dutch would sell Dutch Guiana to the Brits or French?
 
- No Soviet Union anymore nor other Communist nations. Eastern Europe is democratised at least for now.
I'm afraid that the earlier end of the communist dictatorships is offset by the generally more brutal character of the Soviet and Soviet aligned regimes than they were OTL - the nuclear bombardment of Warsaw, the Second Holocaust, the much shorter and more indecisive Thaw that ended with a deeper relapse into Stalinism, the civil war that accompanied the regime's demise - all in all, I think that ITTL the Eastern Bloc ended in the early 70s much worse off than it did OTL in the late 80s-early 90s, and the prospects of its recovery look rather dim.
 
What was this? 😰

I haven’t read this far into the story yet.
Stalin already was antisemitic IOTL, and ITTL he was paranoid that the victory of Mussolini's fascist Italy in WWII was somehow linked to the Jews. So, during the late 40s until his death, Stalin threw all Jews into the gulags. When he died and the news broke internationally, the Soviets basically became a pariah
 

Zagan

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I'm afraid that the earlier end of the communist dictatorships is offset by the generally more brutal character of the Soviet and Soviet aligned regimes than they were OTL - the nuclear bombardment of Warsaw, the Second Holocaust, the much shorter and more indecisive Thaw that ended with a deeper relapse into Stalinism, the civil war that accompanied the regime's demise - all in all, I think that ITTL the Eastern Bloc ended in the early 70s much worse off than it did OTL in the late 80s-early 90s, and the prospects of its recovery look rather dim.
That is not correct. I lived under the boot of the Communist dictatorship and I believe I know what I am talking about.

By far the greatest crime of the Communists was the perversion of the spirit of the people and not the destruction of the economy or the oppression and even murder of random people no matter how horrific that was. No, with a healthy population, a country can quickly rebound, both economically and demographically and the scars of the past can be slowly forgotten. But with a population whose healthy instincts have been systematically destroyed and perverted, the recovery becomes much harder or even impossible.

You may be already wondering what the Hell am I rambling about here. Well, I'll explain. The catastrophic Communist rule changed the very mentality of the people. They encouraged and promoted continuously, during two generations, everything that is bad and counter-productive: lies, theft, lazyness, corruption, profiteering, turning other people in to the political police, waiting to receive everything from the government instead of trying to achieve something with one's own forces, etc. It was a demonic regime which turned many people into its own liking, making them unable to be productive citizens of a normal country. And we are still suffering the ill effects of that disaster today, thirty years after our liberation. If the liberation were to come earlier, the proportion of normal people, not affected by the disease promoted by the regime, would have been much larger.
 
Stalin already was antisemitic IOTL, and ITTL he was paranoid that the victory of Mussolini's fascist Italy in WWII was somehow linked to the Jews. So, during the late 40s until his death, Stalin threw all Jews into the gulags. When he died and the news broke internationally, the Soviets basically became a pariah
And the Second Holocaust was but the most infamous part of the Second Great Purge.
 
The catastrophic Communist rule changed the very mentality of the people. They encouraged and promoted continuously, during two generations, everything that is bad and counter-productive: lies, theft, lazyness, corruption, profiteering, turning other people in to the political police, waiting to receive everything from the government instead of trying to achieve something with one's own forces, etc. It was a demonic regime which turned many people into its own liking, making them unable to be productive citizens of a normal country. And we are still suffering the ill effects of that disaster today, thirty years after our liberation. If the liberation were to come earlier, the proportion of normal people, not affected by the disease promoted by the regime, would have been much larger.
I can hear my high school and college teachers saying "n0, dAt wAsn'T rEal ZoziAlizm"
 
- Ethiopia is facing really terrible war. Probably even worse than OTL Ethiopian Civil War.
I mean, if it's worse than OTL's ECW, then Ethiopia's probably lost a shit ton more people and is even worse off than when the TPLF/EPRDF took power in 1991. It also makes you wonder what's happened with men like Tafari Benti, Aman Andom, Mengistu Haile Mariam, Meles Zenawi, and others ITTL. Perhaps they're either co-opted or resisting?
 
He even boasted about it, saying that he "was part of a race who builds empires" and "considered himself more Italian or Tuscan than Corsican"

Edit: To clarify, his family was descended from minor Tuscan nobility
I think the Roman Alliance would give racialism a new lease on life, in the form of Mediterrean Supremacy/Latin Racialism rather than Nordicism. Nazi ideologues have no reason not to go full Nordicist during the war ITTL, so Southern European racialism would be a plausible triumphalist response to their victory in WW2. This "race that builds Empires" might be defined as Latin or Mediterranean race that includes Italians, French, Iberians, and maybe Greeks, Berbers, and Arab Christians.
 
I'm afraid that the earlier end of the communist dictatorships is offset by the generally more brutal character of the Soviet and Soviet aligned regimes than they were OTL - the nuclear bombardment of Warsaw, the Second Holocaust, the much shorter and more indecisive Thaw that ended with a deeper relapse into Stalinism, the civil war that accompanied the regime's demise - all in all, I think that ITTL the Eastern Bloc ended in the early 70s much worse off than it did OTL in the late 80s-early 90s, and the prospects of its recovery look rather dim.
Agree that Finland, Baltics, Poland, Slovakia and East Germany are in bad condition and mght recover quiet slowly but I guess that ITO nations are very willingful give them lot of moneytary fund. We already know that Warsaw is reconstructed pretty rapidly.
 
Agree that Finland, Baltics, Poland, Slovakia and East Germany are in bad condition and mght recover quiet slowly but I guess that ITO nations are very willingful give them lot of moneytary fund. We already know that Warsaw is reconstructed pretty rapidly.
Its also been mentioned the RA is giving aid in the hope gaining favor with the newly liberated countries.
 
Arab Christians.
Not Arabs. If you're talking about Libya, it's "Phoenicians", and the Muslim religion isn't scrutinized, just Arab identity. Mussolini made a speech that the Libyans had "reclaimed the glory of Islam from the barbaric Arabs", even. If you mean Lebanon, they probably just identify as Lebanese. If the Second Arabian War did one thing, it solidified regional identities rather than pan-Arabism
 
Stalin already was antisemitic IOTL, and ITTL he was paranoid that the victory of Mussolini's fascist Italy in WWII was somehow linked to the Jews. So, during the late 40s until his death, Stalin threw all Jews into the gulags. When he died and the news broke internationally, the Soviets basically became a pariah
Okay, so that’s why communism gets the rep it does...
 
That is not correct. I lived under the boot of the Communist dictatorship and I believe I know what I am talking about.

By far the greatest crime of the Communists was the perversion of the spirit of the people and not the destruction of the economy or the oppression and even murder of random people no matter how horrific that was. No, with a healthy population, a country can quickly rebound, both economically and demographically and the scars of the past can be slowly forgotten. But with a population whose healthy instincts have been systematically destroyed and perverted, the recovery becomes much harder or even impossible.

You may be already wondering what the Hell am I rambling about here. Well, I'll explain. The catastrophic Communist rule changed the very mentality of the people. They encouraged and promoted continuously, during two generations, everything that is bad and counter-productive: lies, theft, lazyness, corruption, profiteering, turning other people in to the political police, waiting to receive everything from the government instead of trying to achieve something with one's own forces, etc. It was a demonic regime which turned many people into its own liking, making them unable to be productive citizens of a normal country. And we are still suffering the ill effects of that disaster today, thirty years after our liberation. If the liberation were to come earlier, the proportion of normal people, not affected by the disease promoted by the regime, would have been much larger.
Uh...

People could argue that prolonged settler colonialism has similarly stunted Africa's development.

Remember that communism isn't the only way to be a monstrous dick to other human beings.
 

Zagan

Donor
Uh...

People could argue that prolonged settler colonialism has similarly stunted Africa's development.

Remember that communism isn't the only way to be a monstrous dick to other human beings.
Sure. It isn't the only way, it's just the way that happened to me.
 
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