The Footprint of Mussolini - TL

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Sorairo, Feb 20, 2019.

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  1. Dolan Lookin fer Gooby

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    Well, if some of the most unscrupulous GOP and Freedom Party members decides that uniting would be better, as they learned all the wrong lessons with Il Duce...

    It won't be exactly a single man dictatorship, but after President Patton, we'll have President MacArthur, and so on...
     
  2. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    Well, I was thinking more about the Liberal Democrats in Japan or the PAP in Singapore, when I posted that.
     
  3. PoorBoy Laborus Tardis

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    You butterflied away 'Plastic Love'?! :eek:
     
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  4. Lalli Well-Known Member

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    USA is going to be de-facto one party nation at least through 1950's. But probably GOP will divide when some moderates break out from the party.

    It seems that Socialism will be even worse curse word than in OTL.
     
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  5. Sorairo Well-Known Member

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    She would be butterfly'd away due to the POD. I was just looking for names and she popped into my head.
     
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  6. Sorairo Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't about loving Stalin - it was literally that they were scared for their lives and didn't know where to go. They feared that if they fled to a Western country they'd be deported for trial back in America.
     
  7. Bbone91 I have no powers but I can skip reasonably well.

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    Little did they know that they were merely trading one hell for another.
     
  8. Icedaemon Well-Known Member

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    Interesting. I wonder what being more respected will do to Rand. Will it just inflate her ego, or will she be more prone to believing in the USA's system?
     
  9. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    Care to name those?
     
  10. Sorairo Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much all of them with the exception of those that remain British protectorates. The only ones who actually joined the Comintern were Lebanon, Syria and old representatives of the Jordanian government (as the Soviets refuse to recognise the existence of Israel).
     
  11. lukedalton Well-Known Member

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    The first, absolute the first...even worse having changed the finale she will even more enraged about her work being butchered
     
  12. gheser123 Well-Known Member

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    For the Americans in the middle of a RED PANIC, Mussolini is now the only guy who was putting his finger in the China dike against the Red Tide.
     
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  13. The Undead Martyr GOP Delenda Est

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    Rand is an utter crank and sociopath so her increased prominence does not fill me with confidence, especially for the civil rights movement.
     
  14. Bookmark1995 Bookmark95 Reborn!

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    Fearing for his life, probably. Unlike Mao, Chiang wanted Puyi to be executed for selling out to Japan.

    It is less "one party state" and more "the only party with any national pull."

    The Democrats are dying as a party.

    The Progressives are seen as too close to the Communists.

    And the Freedom Party is too neo-Confederate.

    So as odd as this sounds, the Republican Party under Patton is the most reasonable party.

    How long that remains the case depends on whether or not the Progressive Party or Freedom Party can build a national platform.
     
  15. Icedaemon Well-Known Member

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    It's more probable at this point that somewhere along the line, the GOP will fragment into a moderate and radical party at this point. Whether the radicals are libertarian or fascist, or indeed if both pop out at the same time and end up opposing each other, will remain to be seen.

    As for Ayn Rand's prominence, I am actually hoping she is revisited in this timeline and gains more of it. Succeed or fail, Libertarianism is very different from fascism and it seeing a major country giving it a real go would be interesting to see, if only from afar.
     
  16. Bookmark1995 Bookmark95 Reborn!

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    Nevertheless, I can picture Rand defending fascism for whatever reason.
     
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  17. Leon Trotsky Well-Known Member

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    A true American far-right dystopia.
     
  18. HesitatedEye Minister for Organised Chaos

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    Just a tip you don't need to quote the whole thing as most will have read it already just do snip and we would know what post you're talking about.
     
  19. Herr Frage Jesus Christ Is In Heaven

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    Hmm, I still think hat for all the flirting with Fascism it won't take root to even the degree of the BUF in the UK. Which isn't to say you won't see plenty of terrible things such as the FP and KKK running amok. But I think the right wing will burn quick and hot before the public turns on them.

    The book title is Dark Decade, not generation. So I am guessing the Chinese War plus Red Scare XL Edition will burn through the blank check the Wallace fiasco gave the right. Maybe a three way split for the Republicans? Conservatives behind Patton or the establishment, McCarthy and his fanatics, and a third faction of Republican moderates and former left leaning Democrats. Probably a rejuvenated leftist part too once the Red scare dies down too.

    And the Freedom Party I doubt will adapt enough to be able to survive the Civil Rights movement. With any luck they and their KKK allies will be hit big with the backlash.

    I actually wonder if Rand getting more attention will actually hinder that movement? Being too tied to the Right Wing surge and less able to take the backlash than the more established figures?
     
  20. The Undead Martyr GOP Delenda Est

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    In theory yes, but in practice there's a reason that the GOP post-Reagan embraced both Randian Libertarianism and Nixon's southern strategy. As Polanyi noted when push comes to shove free market fundamentalists choose capitalism over democracy; that gives them an innate sympathy for more "mild" fascists. If the minimum wage (or the abolition of slavery for that matter) is tyrannical and unnatural imposition by government....
    what it comes down to really is conflicting notions of freedom, "positive" vs "negative" freedom as it were.
    Anyway I don't want to write an essay especially given the risk of dipping into contemporary affairs but suffice to say that I am deeply depressed by TTL's implications for anti-capitalist/progressive forces and the associated social implications. I am pessimistic as to the fate of civil rights TTL and I am not nearly as hopeful that the GOP would fill the gap for various reasons. IF the democrats managed to survive it would be by embracing that aspect of Wallace's legacy, IMO./
     
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